Galatians 5:19-21 drunkenness is one of the works of the flesh.Paul said those that practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21 drunkenness is one of the works of the flesh.Paul said those that practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Looks like most of TnDeer is gonna be out of luck.

Thought I'd get more of a turnout on this one.
Keep them coming.

Does the Bible say drinking alcohol is a sin or just the drunkenness of over indulgence?
Let's hear your thoughts.

What I've seen is some have zero tolerance for alcohol but this is not what I read in scripture.
Anything in excess can be sin.
Gluttony is sin, yet we need to eat to sustain life.

What is the difference in gluttony to food as drunkenness to a drink?

Here are a few verses pertaining to drinking.

Leviticus:
10:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Proverbs:
20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Titus:
2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

I Timothy:
3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Just by these verses, I conclude that drinking isn't a sin, but being given to the drink, which is drunkeness, is where sin occurs. This is jmho on how I interpret the Word here. I don't see a drink of wine being a sin, just when it is consumed in enough quantity, causing one to become disoriented from their faculties, would I consider it a sin.

I have been delivered from this sin. I still have an urge for a beer every now and again, and sometimes I will have that beer, or part of one anyway, but the Lord has answered my prayers for deliverance from this sin I was once bound to, and I thank Him for it!

Here's my $0.02:

At what point do you cross from sober to buzzed to drunk? Let's face it, if you drink alcohol you are drinking it to feel the effects. Otherwise you would drink tea.

If you are trying to live as a Christian for Christ, and you have to try to justify something so you can do it, you probably shouldn't do it.

Christians are called to be different. There is not a doubt in my mind it ruins your witness. If you are having a drink with me on Saturday, don't try to lead me to Christ on Sunday.

I will never believe Jesus served alcohol, and if you take the scripture back to the original language there are different words for wine (fruit juice) and wine (alchoholic), but some folks want to convince themselves that Jesus was the first bartender to justify their drinking.

I drink beer. I am not living what I just posted. But I am also not deluding myself that I am living for Christ while doing what the world does. When I decide to live for Christ, I will not live like the unsaved. In my mind, you can't do both.

Bash away!

I will never believe Jesus served alcohol, and if you take the scripture back to the original language there are different words for wine (fruit juice) and wine (alchoholic), but some folks want to convince themselves that Jesus was the first bartender to justify their drinking.

Boy , this religious stuff sure can get confusing, if you take the scripture as "gospel".

Glad I stayed away from this one, pretty much...lol.

Chicken

a wise man once said......"Going NOT where you can not win is not the result of being afraid, but more of being wise..."

Debating religion is like beating your heads against a wall. Both sides end up with headaches, but one side takes aspirin and the other prays about it.

No bashing here , I love you in Christ but to say that wine was not wine then I beg the differ .. Jesus' first miracal was indeed to turn water into wine .. read on down to the rest of the text were it says that you have saved the best wine for last not as custom to serve the worse wine last . Why serve the worse last ,cause they would already be intoxicated ! A scripture question I believe was asked not our personal conviction or opinion .

I have to brush up on my ancient Greek, but here are my thoughts:

Of the denominations that anything other than teetotaling is a mortal sin, most haev a very strict interpretation of the Bible.

1) A heavenly deity created the heavens and Earth, and all the living creatures, in 7 days.
2) A guy named Moses spoke to a shrubbery undergoing spontaneous combustion, obtained water from a rock by tapping it with a wooden staff, and opened the Red Sea in time for thousands of Jews to cross, then allowed it to swallow the Egyptian pursuers.
3) A Jew named Jesus performed many miracles, such as raising the dead, healing lepers, making crippled men walk, and made blind men see.

But it's a preposterous notion that Jesus drank wine? Everything else is cut-and-dry, "The Bible said so", but they want to play semantics with the meaning of the word "wine". I guess Welch's Fruit Coctail doesn't translate as well.

Do the same people that think that "wine" doesn't really mean wine eat Kosher? That's how the Bible says to eat. Is your witness any less valid when you're standing at an all-you-can-eat catfish buffet? Or eating a plate of sausage and eggs?

I truly believe, and I mean this, when a lot of us get up there God is going to give a bunch of us a smack to the back of the head and say, "You just had to make it complicated didn't you!?"

My beliefs aren't from a denomination. I have an exhaustive concordance and used to do alot of research on topics of interest to me. As far as unclean food, I believe in the New Testament unclean food was done away with, whereas drunkeness was still preached against.

That is the question I'm posing.
It's either black or white, right or wrong.

I've read and looked and hunted and can find plenty that say not to get drunk but nothing to say don' t take a drink.
That is the question I'm posing.
It's either black or white, right or wrong.

Just getting back on topic, gotta love a diversified group with lots of brains to pick.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Is it?

"I love you in Christ but since I disagree with you I will end my post with a smart alleck comment and wink." Typical of most "Christians". Amazing how short tempered God's children can get when you try to take their liquor away. Lmao.

Proverbs says that wine is a mocker and strong drink causes delusion.Also in the new testament wine or any other strong drink was used for illness such as upset stomach and to numb the pain if you were dying.Jesus said we are not of this world if you are one of his.So what does the world do or how do they act?The reference to wine is a generic term.Wine also meant juice such as grape juice.The age old question,What would Jesus do?

Do any of you know the difference between Baptists and Presbyterians.....?
Presbyterians say hello to each other in the liquor store.

Jesus drank wine - Matthew 11:18-19, so in answer to the "age old question" Jesus did and so may I.
And yes, wine in Scripture was fermented or alcoholic - the Corinthians drank it in excess at the Lord's Supper and got drunk - I Corinthians 11:20-21. Welch's Grape juice never leads to drunkenness - self righteousness maybe, but not drunkenness.
God made wine to gladden the heart of man (he is not a kill-joy) - Psalm 104:14-15
It requires an awful twisting of Scripture to support tee-totalism. If that is your practice because of past abuse problems or conscience matters, fine. Just don't say God requires it.

1 Peter 5:6 - 9

6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.

8 Be sober, be vigilant; *because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.



No conscience problems or past drinking problems, just an obedience to what the Bible says and means. ALL of it, not just specific words to try and justify something. As I stated in my first reply here, a lot more involved than just a person drinking or not.

It may not tell you not to drink, but it does tell you not to do things that drinking relates to and leads to.


No, Jesus was not a kill-joy, He PLEASES, SATISFIES, FULFILLS and CONSUMES me daily. He is my Heavenly Father, my Eternal Daddy who it is a total Joy to serve and have fun in doing so.


I'm going to leave this one now as there is only ONE who will ever convince some.


Great post mr. big !!

God requires you not to do anything that ould make a brother stumble,,and if an alcholic has beaten his illnes and is trying to do right and see`s his fellow Christians drinking a beer he may be lead to believe it is ok,,and goes and gets him one,,after he drinks that one he cant control himself and gets 24 more,,winds up drunk,,commits adultry in the parkin lot at the bar and winds up wreckin on the way home killin a family of 4,

just remember,,when you are carrying the cross and claim to be right with God,,people will watch you and some will say he is a good church going person and if he can drink so can I,,but we all know that can lead to some bad stuff goin down,

no different in goin swimming at the lake,,you may not have any trouble controlling yourself with 50 beautiful women runnin around 95% nekkid,,but the guy with you that is happily married may not be able to stand the scenery and wind up in the bushes with one of those worldly women and loose his wife and family over it..

the bible does not prohibit you from doing a vast number of things,,but if it is gonna cause your brother to stumble,,you will be held accountable for those actions,,

They observed the Lord's Supper every Sunday morning and served wine instead of grape juice.

People who drink, try and justify a reason to do it.

Do they make a version of THE BIBLE For Dummies?????


Listen, I stayed out of this for the very reason that I feel too strongly about the fact that man has agendas and even many religious men lack the respect for religion that it deserves and will munipulate God's words to best suit him and his agendas.

The Bible is interpretable and that is the very reason that I do not put as much stock in to it as some do.

Good luck with this......

The age old question,What would Jesus do?

But only ONE true interpretation. It's not now and never has been about religion.

It IS about Christianity and there IS a huge difference.


Snake, Not everything is going to be found in the exact wording you are searching for. You have to look and consider not only drinking, but also other things that it can pollute and cause you to go against other instructions in the Bible.

Drinking in and of itself may not cause you to sin. However, it can lead to a sin depending on the amount drank and that could be way less than a lot of people think.

IF drinking alcohol causes you to stumble in other areas of your life or Christian walk and/or causes someone else to stumble because of your actions,,,,,,,,it is a sin at that time.


Nobody will ever know if they are an alcoholic UNLESS they drink alcohol.

They will know that they are NOT if they do not drink it.