With all the statements being said. Lets look at it from the LEO's point of view....Seeng a person carry a pistol, confronting that person, Stating an order to that person that was ignored. Even if the dude was telling him that he has a permit, what criminals dont lie? Would a criminal say something like that just to try and get the drop on a cop? Come on....All though it was a little over the top I am willing to say the guy was looking for a confrontation, as for the cops point of view Im willing to bet he comes across more crooks with guns than good guys. Its all he faces every day people that break the law. Its just stupid to open carry and try to buck up to the police when your trying to make a point. He should have went out of his way to do what the cops was asking or yelling at him to do. Im shocked he didnt get tazed or a night stick across the shins for his trouble. There is proving your point and then there is being an idiot trying to prove your point

Next, everyone here berating the cop/cops were NOT there and only know what they have read. To berate on that alone shows their disdain for cops in general.

Let's not put "everyone" in your basket, that thinks this is a major issue, as berating all LEO's. I have family members who are THP, and many friends who are local City and County LEO's. I set up meetings with the local PD to find what we as Citizens can do to support them. You can call Chief Gill Kendrick of the Jackson, TN PD to verify the fact that when he first took the position, Richard Archie, local Chapter Leader of the TFA, went to him to offer welcome and support in his new endeavor, and the fact that we give him opportunities to speak to our 2nd Amendment group, to lay out the Department's positions on issues, and to offer our Support of their initiatives.


IF you were carrying, legal or not, when I was still a cop, my main concern was NOT your permit.

I find that very troubling. Ascertaining if a Citizen who is carrying is legal to do so or not should be very important. That Citizen has every right to be armed for his protection that the Officer does. Can LE offer full time defense of the individual, of course not, and the TN Constitution says that the Legislature has the power by law to decide who and where they can carry their arms, and in what manner. LE is supposed to enforce the law, and investigate crime, not decide what is and is not the law.


It WAS my family at home and those I was sworn to serve and protect.

Does the average Citizen not have the same expectation to get home to their family? If the area in which they live is dangerous, (as I think all are these days)and they are taking advantage of the Law, does the personal opinion of a specific LEO trump their Right to provide for their own defense? The Tennessee case law I have read, and the questions I have asked of LE and their lawyers tell me that I can not count on LE to protect me. If I am robbed or mugged or car jacked, I cannot sue because there was no Officer there to protect me. There is no charge for LE to even attempt to intercede in the commission of a crime if they are present when one is occuring, and that I know for certain, as I have asked that question of many LEO's and the Attorney General of the State of TN, and I know my facts.

Do I think the average LEO would step in front of the average Citizen to protect them, or even take a bullet for them, yes I do, but that is a personal thing on the part of the individual Officer.

IF you were a law abiding citizen legal to carry, you would NOT create a situation which endangered yourself or others to prove a point.

You also would not do it repeatedly.

I go back to the fact that if the situation was repeated in the same area, then either the Department is NOT informing their Officers of the facts, or, they are disregarding the Law. If the individual had been stopped twice already, and he was in violation or the law, why is he not incarcerated?


55% of all cops being bad is the most ludicrous statement I have ever read.

I concur, and "Cop" bashing is the furtherest thing from my intent here, I respect the job and the individuals who take on that mantle.


Whether or not I would point a gun at your head and order you on your knees depends on whether you gave me cause to be concerned for mine and others safety.


IF you get a carry permit and legally open carry it as if you are back in the wild, wild west,,,,,,,expect to be confronted by LE.

Patently ridiculous, if the law allows it, the citizen should be able to enjoy the Right or privilege. There are locations in Jackson, TN, (the 13th most dangerous municipality in the U.S. that I will NOT go without being armed, and any one who does is taking their life into their own hands. If I have to traverse the Wal Mart parking lot at 2:00 A.M., I am going to have my hand on my weapon, and with the health of my wife, I have had to do so numerous times.

I do not mind being confronted, but I expect to be confronted with respect, and getting on my knees does not satisfy that requirement.


Real quick and painless to oblige and show legality and be on your way. You "should" be grateful for their diligence in checking to ensure legality.

I agree wholeheartedly, the method of that check should be quick and painless as you say, being on my knees with a gun to my head does not fit that mold.


IF you are armed and take an attitude, you will be treated as such.

I concur.


I wasn't a bad cop, had no chip on my shoulder, but I did have a family at home that I did my best to go home to at end of shift.



In 1997 my career ended with me disabled due to someone with strikingly similar views to some on here.


YOU know if you are legal and YOU know even if legal whether you have ill intent with your weapon.

Yes I do, and if my motives to carry are not of a criminal nature, I resent being treated as one. I do not mind being questioned about the status of my permit if I armed, I do not mind giving up my weapon to the Officer while the facts are being assessed. I greatly disagree that I should be forced to my knees with a weapon pointed at my head till that is decided.

The LEO does NOT and will and should do what is needed to remain safe and keep others safe.

IF a pertinent law has been passed and his department has NOT trained their LEO's of this, the blame there rests at the top.

Agreed.


The very fact that that department is now training their LEO's in this law points in that direction.

Was it necessary to wait for the third incident to do that? Had the proper training been in place, in support of the law on the books, or even initiated when either of the first two incidents occurred, would this final installment have been necessary?

Yea i listened to the audio....whats your point? the leo specificaly told him he didnt know who he was or why he was carrying a firearm. Anybody with any kind of common sense can understand the leo was trying to get the situation under control for his safety and the publics. I guess if some whacked out crack head tells him he has a permit than he should just let him walk and pray he doesnt take a slug in the back of the head as he walks away. I guess when i was detaining towel heads in Iraq i should have let them go about their business when they told me they loved the USA and were good guys. I guess we have to agree to disagree. Have a good day guys

Bman...do you seriously believe this guy with 2 prior incidents involving the police was just defending his 2nd amendment rights? Im all for defending your rights and trying to educate people. My point is even it he did show his ccp or tell them he had a permit. He should have OBEYED the commands of the leo. Should the cop have said oh ok im sorry you have a permit all is fine go on your way. I admit the cop was way out of bounds, but the guy should have complied with the orders. It amazes me people just think that because they have a permit or its a constitutional right to carry a firearm that they can do as they please. I personally think he should have got his [censored] kicked for it .