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#2400617 - 05/24/11 08:15 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: tnfirefighter]
Sako
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 Originally Posted By: tnfirefighter
Yea i listened to the audio....whats your point? the leo specificaly told him he didnt know who he was or why he was carrying a firearm. Anybody with any kind of common sense can understand the leo was trying to get the situation under control for his safety and the publics. I guess if some whacked out crack head tells him he has a permit than he should just let him walk and pray he doesnt take a slug in the back of the head as he walks away. I guess when i was detaining towel heads in Iraq i should have let them go about their business when they told me they loved the USA and were good guys. I guess we have to agree to disagree. Have a good day guys


Oh please... This is not Iraq... and yes the police office should of allowed him to retrieve his permit and should of let him go... I never said he should not have verified he was legal.... now the way he did it reminded me of Cartman on southpark... RESPECT MY AUTHORITY.... or get beat.....

One of the major problems with the police force today is the automatic asumption that every person they deal with is a criminal and a scumbag... This taints their perspective and creates situations like this.... If a cop has to threaten to kill someone to see if they are breaking the law or not (Not that the cop even knew the law) then they need to be fired and prosicuted for assualt.


SO everyone answer this.... Why did the other poilce offices (two previous stops) not theaten to kill him.... Call him junior, come up behind him with their guns drawn and pointed at his head? I will answer this for you..... Because the cop involved with this incident is the scumbag and should be fired and then prosecuted.
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#2400630 - 05/24/11 08:27 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: Sako]
Sako
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Think about it this way, he was carrying open.... which is legal... he was stopped three times for doing so.... the first two events did not amount to anyhting other than helping the police officers involed know the law (Since the department was not doing it). However, the third stop is what has been posted on the internet and has gone nuts... why, because of the police officer involved and the manner he handled it... (you know, Junior, I am going to F'kn kill you if you move, etc)

The person has a right to open carry by the LAW.... it does not matter if the police like the LAW or not. Now for the Top Cop in philly to come out and tell everyone that if you open carry expect to be basically harrassed is completly unacceptable and he should be relieved of duty as well. If the cops are not professional enough to chec someones permit without threatening to kill them, then they need not be cops...
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#2400635 - 05/24/11 08:29 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: Sako]
Happy Birthday Wildcat
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 Originally Posted By: Sako



SO everyone answer this.... Why did the other poilce offices (two previous stops) not theaten to kill him.... Call him junior, come up behind him with their guns drawn and pointed at his head? I will answer this for you..... Because the cop involved with this incident is the scumbag and should be fired and then prosecuted.


Because it took the guy 3 times before he found the cop that did it. He found what he WAS LOOKING FOR.

You see a good buck and you spend some time in the hunting season trying to get him, you might not ever get him until next year. You will take some other deer but you are still LOOKING FOR THAT ONE BUCK. That's what that guy was doing. It was a set up from day one.

Tell you all what. Here's something ALL CCW permit holders need to have along with their guns, hosters, extra maganizes, etc.
http://www.antonline.com/p_LFH9370-52-NX_749055.htm?sID=NX

This way we all can go out and get our cop and get a lot of hits on YouTube.

Bet nobody does it.
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#2400655 - 05/24/11 08:56 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: worriedman]
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Several people have said that due to this guy recording the confrontation, it was obvious he was trying to provoke an incident.

I look at it the other way: he's probably carrying the recorder to ensure he doesn't get shafted during an encounter with an LEO who either doesn't know the law, or doesn't care if he's violating someone's civil rights.

The fact that the cop grows increasingly belligerent when his ignorance of the law is exposed, speaks volumes about who is at fault.
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#2400668 - 05/24/11 09:12 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: BMan]
Happy Birthday Wildcat
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
Several people have said that due to this guy recording the confrontation, it was obvious he was trying to provoke an incident.

I look at it the other way: he's probably carrying the recorder to ensure he doesn't get shafted during an encounter with an LEO who either doesn't know the law, or doesn't care if he's violating someone's civil rights.

The fact that the cop grows increasingly belligerent when his ignorance of the law is exposed, speaks volumes about who is at fault.


You left out 3 times.

Sorry but the guy was setting them up.

We all get carry permits for different reasons, mainly for protection. Now if we beleive there are so many bad cops all over then maybe we should get pocket recorders too?? Right?? How about getting cam recorders for our autos and mount them on the rear view mirrow to record all those bad cops when they give us speeding tickets.

By the way while we're on this subject. There is a new hoster out and it's on sale, it not only holds your gun but has a holder for your permit.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/belt-slide-holster-with-permit-holder-22-380.aspx?a=691349

Want to be in a place where there are several cops around and you tell them you have a permit and reach for the permit with it in that hoster??? Remember we are ALL law abiding citizens here and nothing should happen. Right???
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#2400670 - 05/24/11 09:18 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: Mossy Oak]
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 Originally Posted By: Mossy Oak
The only problem I see with the story is how the police reacted. The police need to learn the law they are supposed to be upholding.


Well said Sir.
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#2400673 - 05/24/11 09:20 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: Wildcat]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Several people have said that due to this guy recording the confrontation, it was obvious he was trying to provoke an incident.

I look at it the other way: he's probably carrying the recorder to ensure he doesn't get shafted during an encounter with an LEO who either doesn't know the law, or doesn't care if he's violating someone's civil rights.

The fact that the cop grows increasingly belligerent when his ignorance of the law is exposed, speaks volumes about who is at fault.


You left out 3 times.

Sorry but the guy was setting them up.

We all get carry permits for different reasons, mainly for protection. Now if we beleive there are so many bad cops all over then maybe we should get pocket recorders too?? Right?? How about getting cam recorders for our autos and mount them on the rear view mirrow to record all those bad cops when they give us speeding tickets.

By the way while we're on this subject. There is a new hoster out and it's on sale, it not only holds your gun but has a holder for your permit.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/belt-slide-holster-with-permit-holder-22-380.aspx?a=691349

Want to be in a place where there are several cops around and you tell them you have a permit and reach for the permit with it in that hoster??? Remember we are ALL law abiding citizens here and nothing should happen. Right???

Left OUT 3 times? The 3 times is significant - THREE TIMES he has been stopped and harrassed for carrying a TOOL on him. THREE TIMES - or 100% of his encounters with the police - they have demonstrated their ignorance of the law. THREE TIMES they could have said anything they wanted about him, with him having no way to dispute their account. THREE TIMES the cops and/or their supervisors released him without charges, proving him right.

Hate to break this to you, but taping and recording the police is increasing across the country due to belligerent tactics used by the police. And in every instance I've seen reported, the person recording the encounter is found to be right.

Nope, this cop should have his butt booted off the force at the very least.
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#2400675 - 05/24/11 09:22 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: wskp11]
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Grumpaw
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 Originally Posted By: wskp11
I spent my career working in SFLA where everyone is violent and carrying. And every time I came across someone with a gun it was always secured first before I ever worried about a permit. Then I checked the permit and if it all checked out, the weapon was returned unloaded. Remember LEO doesn't know if you just got fired or had a fight with your wife. Just because you have a permit doesn't mean he's got nothing to worry about, it means you have a tremedous responsebility that to many take for granted. Sorry for the rambling


So you broke the law, violated the very oath you were sworn to uphold, safed weapons you were not familiar with instread of leaving them in their holsters...did I miss anything? Case law and the decisions of SCOTUS do not support the way you operated.
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#2400678 - 05/24/11 09:26 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: Wildcat]
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Grumpaw
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Several people have said that due to this guy recording the confrontation, it was obvious he was trying to provoke an incident.

I look at it the other way: he's probably carrying the recorder to ensure he doesn't get shafted during an encounter with an LEO who either doesn't know the law, or doesn't care if he's violating someone's civil rights.

The fact that the cop grows increasingly belligerent when his ignorance of the law is exposed, speaks volumes about who is at fault.


You left out 3 times.

Sorry but the guy was setting them up.

We all get carry permits for different reasons, mainly for protection. Now if we beleive there are so many bad cops all over then maybe we should get pocket recorders too?? Right?? How about getting cam recorders for our autos and mount them on the rear view mirrow to record all those bad cops when they give us speeding tickets.

By the way while we're on this subject. There is a new hoster out and it's on sale, it not only holds your gun but has a holder for your permit.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/belt-slide-holster-with-permit-holder-22-380.aspx?a=691349

Want to be in a place where there are several cops around and you tell them you have a permit and reach for the permit with it in that hoster??? Remember we are ALL law abiding citizens here and nothing should happen. Right???


Set up or not...they broke the law when they went after him...plain and simple. Tennessee has their own celebrity of sorts who does the same thing, Lenord you around?. It may be way right and not completely politically correct, kind of reminds me of many people fan...Ted Nugent... same lines, same results in a different situation. THe guy was completely within his rights to be where he was and doing what he was doing, the LEO were completely unprofessional and have since admitted their wrong doing and are being sued.
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#2400680 - 05/24/11 09:28 AM Re: legal, but not smart. imo [Re: Unicam]
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I carry a digital recorder everywhere I go, in case I run into the same thing...does this make me out looking for trouble? Many years of carry OC and CC and not one single incident other than a hello officer or a have a nice day says its otherwise. Know your rights, stand up for your rights or lose your rights...pretty simple....
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