#2396379 - 05/18/11 03:16 PM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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You would be surprised how many full time big operator guides and outfitters donot know how to properlycare for an animal that is going to be mounted. I have actyally seen them with a rope around their neck hung from a pole for two days before being caped out. And then they had the tear ducts cut and the lips screwed and this was buy a couple big-name outfitters.
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#2396547 - 05/18/11 07:12 PM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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I have never seen it broken down into sections for processing..........
Skinning - $10
Quartering - $15
Cutting/wrapping - $30
Etc......................
It is usually a drop off your deer, specify mount or not and come back to pick up your processed meat(or someone elses meat)............pay one flat rate. I don't care much for processors. I have seen and know to many things to ever want to take one of mine to one.
FDXX75 Here...or at least where I take deer, there is a separate charge for everything...... if you bring a whole deer in , you will be charged a fee for gutting and skin (about $25.00 total.). So, you are charged $25 before you even get to the processing part. , a standard processing fee of $40.00, plus a charge for beef or pork fat for ground meat, So basically, without anything fancy, you will have $65.00 in a deer before you get to meat tenderizing, sausage, hamburger, or anything else. Sure you can gut it and skin it yourself, but on those COLD days, that's not the best option, imo...lol. I have no idea about whether this is high for this type work and have gladly paid it years without complaining. My gripe was about "double paying" (imo)for the caping and skinning. Dude, if you are paying someone to "gut" your deer............please. First thing I am doing after squeezing the trigger is reaching for the knife to get the guts out of it and start the cooling process......................I have never in my life heard of someone paying to have their deer gutted. FDXX75
In South Carolina there would be 200 deer at a time in the floor waiting to be gutted. $10 fee for gut and hang in cooler.
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#2396552 - 05/18/11 07:16 PM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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As far as caping vs skinning.
If I am mounting a deer, I skin the entire deer and that is what goes to the taxidermist. I cut from the bottom of the sternum to his butt, I make cuts around all 4 knees and the underside of the legs, then skin it up to the head and cut the head off. I have never just caped a deer.
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#2396583 - 05/18/11 07:50 PM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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So... if you're going to do all the skinning, how do you expect the taxidermist to get the measurements on the deer? We always had them bring the deer in with neck cut high... with a measurement on the neck at base. Then you measure the deer.. usually tip of nose to eye on both sides. Then tip of horns to nose on both sides. Then your top of the neck. After you measure, you are ready to get the hide off the skull.
You need those measurements to order your form. You can get all of them after you tan the hide... an estimate but it's best to take the skinned deer to the taxidermist and let him cape it if you are unsure as to how to do it. Stick it in the freezer with the head attached and take him the entire thing. Just don't forget the neck measurement.
Capes are usually done 2 to 4 inches behind the shoulder... or should be to leave enough for what ever mount the customer decides on.
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#2396643 - 05/18/11 08:34 PM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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Yeah there are some circumstances where you can't go to the taxidermist to have them cape it out, but if you can...
Ditto on what Silver said. We like to measure the animals skull to determine what size of form to order. I take nose-eye and 3 neck measurements. Plus, caped animals usually lead to me having to do some sewing and doing some guess work on the form (which if I get it wrong, I gotta shave or build it up).
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#2397824 - 05/20/11 08:03 AM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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i think that many times caping is confused skinning.
caping would be taking the skin all the way off the deer, including the head area.
No processors around here do anything more than take the hide off down to the neck close to the head.....around here they charge you for caping when in fact, they do not actually cape it.
That was my question to begin with. My processor charged to skin the deer down to the head, as he would normally do to process it anyway. he then threw in an additional charge to cape it, but he didn't really do anything extra other than skin it down to the head and give you the head and all of the hide to take to the taxidermist. I have never seen a processor around here actually CAPE a deer, just skin it down to the head, cut it off there and put it in a garbage bag. They never take the hide off the head around the eyes, nose etc. (which, to my knowledge, is what caping means).
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#2397857 - 05/20/11 08:54 AM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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Yeah if I were you, I would just do it yourself from here on out. You're getting gouged.
I know you're right when it comes to processors "caping" deer. That only takes a few minutes and it always comes to us taxidermists short, holy or hot.
I have had a lot of problems getting capes from a processor around here that haven't been refrigerated let alone frozen. You HAVE to treat a skin/cape like a piece of steak...you can't just put it in a trash bag and throw it to the side.
SO HUNTERS-IF YOU DON'T SEE YOUR PROCESSOR PULL YOUR SKIN/CAPE OUT OF THE FRIDGE OR FREEZER, PLAN ON SEEING SOME HAIR SLIPPAGE WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM THE TAXIDERMIST.
We've stopped taking hides to be tanned from processors for this very reason. It sucks to find out the hide is loaded with bacteria after you've started fleshing it out. It's a lot of hard work for nothing.
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#2397920 - 05/20/11 09:57 AM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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Am I missing something here? I've been deer hunting for 37 years and have skinned my share of deer. Many of those I skinned out to be mounted.
Is there a difference between the two that I don't know about?
Would there ever be a reason why a processor would charge you to cape a deer out and then charge you for skinning it as well?
just curious, thanks.
May have been answered. Caping is removing the skin from the head and neck for the purpose of having the head mounted. Skinning is just getting the skin off the body for butcerhing.
Yes, an additional price because almost twice as much time and work involved. Caution, though, not all butchers can properly cape a deer. Usually just better to have the deer skinned down the neck toward the ears and then just cut the head off and let the taxidermist do the actual caping.
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#2397930 - 05/20/11 10:04 AM
Re: Caping vs skinning question.
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Am I missing something here? I've been deer hunting for 37 years and have skinned my share of deer. Many of those I skinned out to be mounted.
Is there a difference between the two that I don't know about?
Would there ever be a reason why a processor would charge you to cape a deer out and then charge you for skinning it as well?
just curious, thanks. May have been answered. Caping is removing the skin from the head and neck for the purpose of having the head mounted. Skinning is just getting the skin off the body for butcerhing. Yes, an additional price because almost twice as much time and work involved. Caution, though, not all butchers can properly cape a deer. Usually just better to have the deer skinned down the neck toward the ears and then just cut the head off and let the taxidermist do the actual caping.
no actual caping being done, no hide removal on the head at all...
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