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#2390426 - 05/11/11 12:50 PM Gas
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Gas prices hasn't went down 1 penny since oil fell last week.In a matter of fact,last night at the pilot station it was $3.67/gallon and today it is $3.75/gallon..And oil is down so far today..I mean what gives, if oil goes up,prices are raised within the hour of them going up but if oil falls in price it takes weeks to see a difference and thats a big IF!
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#2390431 - 05/11/11 01:01 PM Re: Gas [Re: cecil30-30]
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I have been monitoring this as well and concluded the same thing.
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#2390434 - 05/11/11 01:03 PM Re: Gas [Re: Andy S.]
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Amazingly the price of gas dropped about .10-.12 gal here overnight after the last drop in oil.
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#2390442 - 05/11/11 01:11 PM Re: Gas [Re: TC4ever]
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3.84 at the Shell across the street rat now

they suck anyway
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#2390446 - 05/11/11 01:14 PM Re: Gas [Re: TC4ever]
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got to agree it dropped about 5 cents at some stations a few days ago but none at some. Its amazing how when oil starts going up they raise it 10 cents a pop but when it goes down it takes them forever and some dont even lower their price. Im wondering if oil starts going up again next week I bet they jump the price another 10 cents!
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#2390448 - 05/11/11 01:17 PM Re: Gas [Re: NICHOLS3]
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Heard yesterday that the Oil Future traders or whatever they called was trading at higher prices because of the flooding along the mississippi and all the refineries and so forth along the river that could possible be flooded out.
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#2390539 - 05/11/11 03:17 PM Re: Gas [Re: JThuntsalot]
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was 3.64 last night today its 3.75 bunch of commies
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#2390541 - 05/11/11 03:18 PM Re: Gas [Re: knightrider]
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I paid 3.98 today but that was ethanol free!!
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#2390568 - 05/11/11 03:45 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big J]
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The cycle of opportunity is what everyone is seeing. When the valleys between price changes of oil per barrel and gas per gallon are close together is where the gas stations/gas brokers/oil companies maximize their profits. I hate it as much as anyone, but that is how it is done.
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#2390587 - 05/11/11 04:11 PM Re: Gas [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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Yeah, I too thought that prices where supposed to drop. The price here is $3.99. That is crazy!!
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#2390602 - 05/11/11 04:35 PM Re: Gas [Re: bullshooter]
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"They" have been saying that the prices should come down over the next few months, BUT also that they may go up a bit more before the decline. The main thing is that they come down from the levels they were when prices were announced to go down instead of whatever they reach in the mean time...
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#2390627 - 05/11/11 05:09 PM Re: Gas [Re: bullshooter]
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I haven't paid any attention round here today
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#2391003 - 05/12/11 06:57 AM Re: Gas [Re: cecil30-30]
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They climbed 6 cents overnight!!!
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#2391015 - 05/12/11 07:33 AM Re: Gas [Re: MUP]
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It's going up instead of down.
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#2391031 - 05/12/11 07:55 AM Re: Gas [Re: bullshooter]
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4.15 in Louisville...jumped from 3.78 to that 2 days ago...almost 40 cents in 6 hours!
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#2391041 - 05/12/11 08:14 AM Re: Gas [Re: BowGuy84]
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I thought it was suppose to go down .20 cents??? WTH???
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#2391057 - 05/12/11 08:29 AM Re: Gas [Re: bullshooter]
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#2391059 - 05/12/11 08:34 AM Re: Gas [Re: bigfoot318]
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Remember when it was almost $5 a couple yrs ago? I drive a v8 expedition and HATE putting $100+ in my tank. My car is paid for though and i aint looking to buy anytime soon.
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#2391063 - 05/12/11 08:45 AM Re: Gas [Re: bigfoot318]
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 Originally Posted By: bigfoot318
GREED


I agree, the Govt. making 50 cents of every gallon is greedy.
or was you talking about "Big Oil" making 1-2 cents per dollar?
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#2391119 - 05/12/11 10:09 AM Re: Gas [Re: bullshooter]
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we are paying for bp's screw up
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#2391124 - 05/12/11 10:14 AM Re: Gas [Re: DOC1187]
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 Originally Posted By: DOC1187
we are paying for bp's screw up

No, we're paying for Obama's reaction to BP's screw up.

...and Stimulus I, II and III (Coming)..

The Fed printing money makes the dollar worth less (worthless).
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#2391339 - 05/12/11 01:20 PM Re: Gas [Re: DOC1187]
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I knew it they went up today. I guess once they figure what people are willing to pay why lower the price.
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#2391344 - 05/12/11 01:29 PM Re: Gas [Re: NICHOLS3]
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It's the same everytime....raise the price quite a bit, lower the price a few cents and everyone will be saying look cheap gas in a few months but it never gets back to the original price. Has not anyone else noticed this pattern.

The states are the big winners. With sales tax included in the pump price each time the price goes up thats more tax $$ in their pockets. It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price.
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#2391346 - 05/12/11 01:32 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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The states are the big winners. With sales tax included in the pump price each time the price goes up thats more tax $$ in their pockets. It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price. [/quote]

I thought it{state tax} is a per gallon price not a percentage??
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#2391349 - 05/12/11 01:34 PM Re: Gas [Re: TC4ever]
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Regular motor fuel tax correct per gallon, but add on the sales tax on top.
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#2391354 - 05/12/11 01:37 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben


Regular motor fuel tax correct per gallon, but add on the sales tax on top.


How many{state} times is fuel taxed in TN?
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#2391613 - 05/12/11 06:35 PM Re: Gas [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: bigfoot318
GREED


I agree, the Govt. making 50 cents of every gallon is greedy.
or was you talking about "Big Oil" making 1-2 cents per dollar?

Good point, CL. Everyone points at the oil companies, but the government is the one milking us.
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#2391615 - 05/12/11 06:40 PM Re: Gas [Re: BMan]
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Yep someone is Greedy. Just came in from about 25 miles south of me and gas at Wal-Mart was $3.78.9
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#2391634 - 05/12/11 06:51 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
Yep someone is Greedy. Just came in from about 25 miles south of me and gas at Wal-Mart was $3.78.9

Because operating expenses are constant everywhere, right?

Uhhhh... no.
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#2391726 - 05/12/11 08:21 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
It's the same everytime....raise the price quite a bit, lower the price a few cents and everyone will be saying look cheap gas in a few months but it never gets back to the original price. Has not anyone else noticed this pattern.

The states are the big winners. With sales tax included in the pump price each time the price goes up thats more tax $$ in their pockets. It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price.


Good Lord!!! We get everything from some people but the real reasons.

Do you have any links at all to prove that??

The Federal AND state taxes are based on PER GALLION, NOT pump price.
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#2391741 - 05/12/11 08:42 PM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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TN tax- 21.4 cents per gallon
Federal is 18.4 cents per gallon.
Got that right off the pump but you can also find it on Wikipedia.
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#2391743 - 05/12/11 08:43 PM Re: Gas [Re: Bowdacious]
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And believe it or not, we are well below the average tax.

Average tax/gallon of gas in the U.S. is 49.5 cents - a dime over where we are.
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#2391745 - 05/12/11 08:46 PM Re: Gas [Re: BMan]
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I think diesel is more but I am too lazy to look it up.
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#2391748 - 05/12/11 08:50 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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How dare those evil oil companies make a profit
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#2391750 - 05/12/11 08:54 PM Re: Gas [Re: wayne]
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Here ya go Wildkitty don't let the truth stand in your way. Taxes state per gallon and sales tax % of sale for not jut Tennessee but a few other states.

http://www.indianagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
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#2391757 - 05/12/11 09:04 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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I don't know what all this means, but it looks important.

TN Motor Fuel Taxes
Special Tax - A special tax is imposed on all petroleum products.
Due Date - 20th day of the month following the month of activity
Tax Rate - $0.01 per gallon

Environmental Assurance Fee - An environmental assurance fee is imposed on all petroleum products.
Due Date - 20th day of the month following the month of activity
Tax Rate - $0.004 per gallon

Gasoline Tax - A tax is imposed on gasoline, fuel alcohol and substitutes when first imported into Tennessee.
Due Date - 20th day of the month following the month of activity
Tax Rate - $0.20 per gallon

Diesel Tax - A tax is imposed on diesel fuel when it crosses the terminal rack or upon import from a facility below the terminal bulk system.
Due Date - 20th day of the month following the month of activity
Tax Rate - Clear diesel: $.17 per gallon fee; Dyed diesel: tax exempt from motor fuel if used off road

Liquified Gas Tax - A use tax is imposed on liquified gas used for the propulsion of motor vehicles on the public highways of this state.
Due Date - Liquified Gas Users shall pay in advance annually on each motor vehicle licensed in Tennessee. Dealers file a report on or before July 25 of each year.
Tax Rate - $0.14 per gallon

Compressed Natural Gas Tax - A use tax is imposed on compressed natural gas used for the propulsion of motor vehicles on the public highways of this state.
Due Date - 25th day of the month following the month of activity
Tax Rate - $0.13 cents per gallon

Export Tax - A tax is imposed on all petroleum products subject to the Special Tax that are exported to points outside of the state.
Due Date - 20th day of the month following the month of activity
Tax Rate - 1/20th of $0.01 per gallon (If the $0.01 Special Tax has already been paid, then 19/20th of $0.01 per gallon of the special privilege tax may be credited on a monthly return, or alternatively, refunded.)
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#2391760 - 05/12/11 09:08 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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It's not listed on here. I wonder if that 6% is what the retailer has to pay.
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
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#2391764 - 05/12/11 09:18 PM Re: Gas [Re: Bowdacious]
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Here's a comprehensive look, current as of this month:

http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/...ary%20pages.pdf
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#2391787 - 05/12/11 09:59 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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gas was 1.73 Jan 20 09
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#2391797 - 05/12/11 10:11 PM Re: Gas [Re: mr.big]
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#2391802 - 05/12/11 10:21 PM Re: Gas [Re: Bowdacious]
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 Originally Posted By: BOWdacious
It's not listed on here. I wonder if that 6% is what the retailer has to pay.
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp


Some may not be old enough to remember this or even bought gas in Indiana when the sales tax was first put in place. Go to you local station and ask for $10 worth, the attendent stopped the pump short of the $10 price to make up the sales tax differance. Example if you bought that $10 worth and the sales tax was 5 cents on the $ the pump would read $9.50 not $10. It didn't take them long to set the pumps to collect the sales tax so when you ask for $10 worth thats what they read but automaticly included the sales tax in the end. It stands to reason as the price of gas goes up more state sales tax is collected.
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#2391805 - 05/12/11 10:24 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
Here ya go Wildkitty don't let the truth stand in your way. Taxes state per gallon and sales tax % of sale for not jut Tennessee but a few other states.

http://www.indianagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx



That's NOT what you said.

Here's what you said in YOUR OWN WORDS.


With sales tax included in the pump price each time the price goes up thats more tax $$ in their pockets. It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price.

You still don't get it do you???? I guess this is way over your head and you better talk to your union bosses so you will know what to say.


The sales tax % IS THE PRICE PER GAL.

If it was done your way please explain how a pump can come up with a final sales tax???

Have you ever seen a price change AFTER you get though pumping???? It would HAVE to do that once you get though to come up with the sales tax, right?? Since YOU say it's based on the pump price.

The pump price is set PER GAL and that incules the SALES TAX.

You just don't get it and the name calling doesn't bother me at all, it just shows that's all you have.
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#2391807 - 05/12/11 10:28 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
 Originally Posted By: BOWdacious
It's not listed on here. I wonder if that 6% is what the retailer has to pay.
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp


Some may not be old enough to remember this or even bought gas in Indiana when the sales tax was first put in place. Go to you local station and ask for $10 worth, the attendent stopped the pump short of the $10 price to make up the sales tax differance. Example if you bought that $10 worth and the sales tax was 5 cents on the $ the pump would read $9.50 not $10. It didn't take them long to set the pumps to collect the sales tax so when you ask for $10 worth thats what they read but automaticly included the sales tax in the end. It stands to reason as the price of gas goes up more state sales tax is collected.


Go back and re-read what you just posted.

$10 worth thats what they read but automaticly included the sales tax in the end.


Have you ever seen one pump do that or are you just guessing??

All the gas pumps are Metered Pumps they HAVE to go by PER GAL. They CAN measure 1 single penny of gas BASED on price and tax per gal. They do NOT add more prices at the end.
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#2391865 - 05/13/11 04:57 AM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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SO I give you a chart that shows sales tax on gas is 6%. I don't think I am the one that don't get it WK. Gas let's say cost $99.9 a gallon there is a 6% sales tax set in place per $ spent in that pump price AT THE PUMP. Now gas goes to $1.99.9....that same 6% now brings in 12 cents in sales tax PER GALLON. You do the math how much sales tax is collected PER GALLON when the price hits $4.15.9, then tell me that don't amount to a nice hunk of change in the states pockets.


And as far as the $10 worth of gas it was the entire state that collected sale tax on gas this way not just one station. Rather than run it over and risk loseing money they stopped it short. If you filled up a tank then it was just like now in any store added on the final end of the deal. They had these neat little charts laying beside the cash register to tell you how much additional tax to collect. But remember very few people filled their gas tanks back in those days and gas was much cheaper.
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#2391870 - 05/13/11 05:09 AM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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Regardless of whether sales tax on gasoline is a set price per gallon, or a percentage, the important point to take out of this discussion is:

The GOVERNMENT is soaking us far more than the oil companies.
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#2391897 - 05/13/11 06:14 AM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
SO I give you a chart that shows sales tax on gas is 6%. I don't think I am the one that don't get it WK. Gas let's say cost $99.9 a gallon there is a 6% sales tax set in place per $ spent in that pump price AT THE PUMP. Now gas goes to $1.99.9....that same 6% now brings in 12 cents in sales tax PER GALLON. You do the math how much sales tax is collected PER GALLON when the price hits $4.15.9, then tell me that don't amount to a nice hunk of change in the states pockets.


And as far as the $10 worth of gas it was the entire state that collected sale tax on gas this way not just one station. Rather than run it over and risk loseing money they stopped it short. If you filled up a tank then it was just like now in any store added on the final end of the deal. They had these neat little charts laying beside the cash register to tell you how much additional tax to collect. But remember very few people filled their gas tanks back in those days and gas was much cheaper.


I just talked to a friend that owns several stations in the Paducah area and he told me the sales tax was set in the price PER GAL.

He also told me that if ANY PUMP in the State of Kentucky automaticly included the sales tax in the end (YOUR WORDS)the owner would go to jail.

The price PER GALLION you see at the pump INCULES ALL FEDERAL AND STATE GAS TAXES AND STATE SALES TAXES.

They DO NOT add anything AT THE END like you've been saying.

If you cannot understand that I can't help it.
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#2392027 - 05/13/11 10:06 AM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
SO I give you a chart that shows sales tax on gas is 6%. I don't think I am the one that don't get it WK. Gas let's say cost $99.9 a gallon there is a 6% sales tax set in place per $ spent in that pump price AT THE PUMP. Now gas goes to $1.99.9....that same 6% now brings in 12 cents in sales tax PER GALLON. You do the math how much sales tax is collected PER GALLON when the price hits $4.15.9, then tell me that don't amount to a nice hunk of change in the states pockets.


And as far as the $10 worth of gas it was the entire state that collected sale tax on gas this way not just one station. Rather than run it over and risk loseing money they stopped it short. If you filled up a tank then it was just like now in any store added on the final end of the deal. They had these neat little charts laying beside the cash register to tell you how much additional tax to collect. But remember very few people filled their gas tanks back in those days and gas was much cheaper.


I just talked to a friend that owns several stations in the Paducah area and he told me the sales tax was set in the price PER GAL.

He also told me that if ANY PUMP in the State of Kentucky automaticly included the sales tax in the end (YOUR WORDS)the owner would go to jail.

The price PER GALLION you see at the pump INCULES ALL FEDERAL AND STATE GAS TAXES AND STATE SALES TAXES.

They DO NOT add anything AT THE END like you've been saying.

If you cannot understand that I can't help it.


Thanks Wildcat-I know that I have never paid a penny more than what the pump reads{and that tax was included in the advertised price}. That's why I asked if gas is double taxed? ;\)
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#2392046 - 05/13/11 10:58 AM Re: Gas [Re: TC4ever]
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Just don't get it do ya.....6% of $4 is more than 6% of $2, double in fact. The sales tax is added to what the gas station operator pays wholesale and reflects that additonal tax on the pump today. Thats all I am saying...the state is reaping a windfall in extra tax $ in the way of sales tax collected.

Just a thought...were any of you around when the sales tax was first came up with ? I was FWIW if I remember right Kentucky started out with 3 cents on the $.. And yes not long after it came out I almost got put in jail for argueing over the guy stopping the pump at a station in Indiana short of the $5 worth of gas I was buying. It was not long after they set the pump prices to reflect the % of sales tax collected per $.
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#2392049 - 05/13/11 11:07 AM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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In Va at least there is just a 17.5 cents tax[state] per gallon-no additional sales tax.So in escense here in Va there is only the addition of increased cost of the fuel itself.
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#2392057 - 05/13/11 11:19 AM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
Just don't get it do ya.....6% of $4 is more than 6% of $2, double in fact. The sales tax is added to what the gas station operator pays wholesale and reflects that additonal tax on the pump today. Thats all I am saying...the state is reaping a windfall in extra tax $ in the way of sales tax collected.



No that's not what you were saying. You were saying it was "ADDED ON AT THE END" (those were YOUR words) which in itself is ILLEGAL in all states!!! And THAT'S what I've been trying to show you.

I see it went over your head again.

6% is the SAME PECENTAGE if it's $100 or $100 million it's STILL 6%. Someone paying a 6% SALES TAX at Wal-Mart on $100 would be paying the SAME PERCENTAGE as someone that spends $100 MILLION at the same store.

The TOTAL tax on $100 million is MORE than the TOTAL TAX of $100 but the TAX PERCENTAGE IS THE SAME.

The sales tax is INCULED in the price at the pump which is PER GAL.
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#2392081 - 05/13/11 11:59 AM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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It is added at the total cost of the sale.....the higher the price the more tax you pay. If I bought 10 gallon of gas at $2 a gallon with a 6% sales tax how much sales taxes would I pay ? Now if I bought that same 10 gallon at $4 a gallon how much sales tax would I pay. You just want to argue as usual. Read just what you want to read but don't understand what is being said.

The state is still reaping a windfall of sales tax collected. The regular motor fuel tax stays the same if gas is $2 a gallon or $10 a gallon
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#2392088 - 05/13/11 12:02 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
It is added at the total cost of the sale.....the higher the price the more tax you pay. If I bought 10 gallon of gas at $2 a gallon with a 6% sales tax how much sales taxes would I pay ? Now if I bought that same 10 gallon at $4 a gallon how much sales tax would I pay. You just want to argue as usual. Read just what you want to read but don't understand what is being said.

The state is still reaping a windfall of sales tax collected. The regular motor fuel tax stays the same if gas is $2 a gallon or $10 a gallon


Virginia isn't gaining and more likely is losing revenue since fuel purchases{gallons} is down.
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#2392148 - 05/13/11 01:08 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
It is added at the total cost of the sale.....the higher the price the more tax you pay. If I bought 10 gallon of gas at $2 a gallon with a 6% sales tax how much sales taxes would I pay ? Now if I bought that same 10 gallon at $4 a gallon how much sales tax would I pay. You just want to argue as usual. Read just what you want to read but don't understand what is being said.

The state is still reaping a windfall of sales tax collected. The regular motor fuel tax stays the same if gas is $2 a gallon or $10 a gallon


No it's NOT ADDED AT THE TOTAL COST OF THE SALE. The SALES TAX is PER GAL along with all FEDERAL AND STATE GAS TAXES.

NOTHING IS ADDED ON AT THE END AT THE PUMP like you say. That'a ILLEGAL!!!!

The SALES TAX RATE is the same for one single gallion or 1 million gallions. The ONLY difference is how many gallions you buy and THAT is measured on PER GAL.

You have no idea how a gas pump works, your just making this stuff up and guessing.

Go ask a station OWNER, not some guy that works there.
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#2392198 - 05/13/11 02:14 PM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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Again only read what you want to read....Must be getting to ya I got some Cap's in your last post.
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#2392242 - 05/13/11 03:37 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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I think what Ben is trying to say is that although the sales tax rate per gallon is the same, you end up paying more in sales tax when the price per gallon goes up.

For example, if the price on the pump is $2.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is 5%, approximately 10 cents of the 2.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $1.90). If the price per gallon on the pump goes up to $4.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is still 5%, now approximately 20 cents of the $4.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $3.80).

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#2392245 - 05/13/11 03:40 PM Re: Gas [Re: woodchuckc]
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 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
I think what Ben is trying to say is that although the sales tax rate per gallon is the same, you end up paying more in sales tax when the price per gallon goes up.

For example, if the price on the pump is $2.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is 5%, approximately 10 cents of the 2.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $1.90). If the price per gallon on the pump goes up to $4.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is still 5%, now approximately 20 cents of the $4.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $3.80).


I understand it-I'm just glad that Va only has the "cents per gallon" tax
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#2392255 - 05/13/11 04:10 PM Re: Gas [Re: woodchuckc]
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 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
I think what Ben is trying to say is that although the sales tax rate per gallon is the same, you end up paying more in sales tax when the price per gallon goes up.

For example, if the price on the pump is $2.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is 5%, approximately 10 cents of the 2.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $1.90). If the price per gallon on the pump goes up to $4.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is still 5%, now approximately 20 cents of the $4.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $3.80).


He can't say that because he doesn't understand it that way. He also says SEVERAL TIMES in his posts the sales tas is ADDED ON AT THE END. Which it is not.

As for reading what I want to read, I QUOTED him and used HIS WORDS in almost all my posts.
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#2392297 - 05/13/11 05:14 PM Re: Gas [Re: woodchuckc]
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 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
I think what Ben is trying to say is that although the sales tax rate per gallon is the same, you end up paying more in sales tax when the price per gallon goes up.

For example, if the price on the pump is $2.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is 5%, approximately 10 cents of the 2.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $1.90). If the price per gallon on the pump goes up to $4.00 per gallon and the sales tax rate is still 5%, now approximately 20 cents of the $4.00 is sales tax (the non-sales tax price is effectively $3.80).


See Wildkitty somebody understand what I been saying and not just reading what they want to read into my post.

IN THE END you pay 6% sales tax on your purchase of gas. You can twist/spin it all you want as usual but the outcome is the same. The state is collecting more of your $$ in sales tax on gas then they were when it was a couple $ a gallon. Yes it is hidden in the pump price NOW but as I said it's been over 40 years since the stations in Indiana short stopped the pumps or added the tax on the top if you filled up in order to collect sales taxes. Were you even able to drive legal back then \:D
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#2392300 - 05/13/11 05:19 PM Re: Gas [Re: TC4ever]
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 Originally Posted By: TC4ever
I understand it-I'm just glad that Va only has the "cents per gallon" tax
Curious does VA have a sales tax ? Good for you if they do and gas is exempt.
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#2392316 - 05/13/11 05:39 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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It's to high and that's all that matters to me,since my truck is only getting 13.5mpg!
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#2392320 - 05/13/11 05:53 PM Re: Gas [Re: fourwheeler431]
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I'm not spinning anything. I'm using YOUR OWN WORDS. It's you who are trying to backtrack not me.

You frist said, "It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price."

That is 100% wrong.

Then you said the "pump added on at the end".

Which is again 100% wrong.

I've stayed the same all though this tread, one single thing that the sales tax was per gal along with the other federal and state taxes and you've kept changing from one way to another AND using name calling. This is typical of your posts in other forums.
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#2392329 - 05/13/11 06:15 PM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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I think Wildcat may be right here. I always understood that if you had one gallon of gas no matter what the price! .48 cents was included in that 1 Gallon of gas in taxes.

No matter what happens to the price of that gallon/ .48 cents is going to come out as a tax on that gallon. No matter if it 3.00 or 10.00 a gallon. That one gallon is going to have .48 cents in it for tax.

Is this right?
If so the state makes no more revenue no matter what the price per gallon is.

Now if it were a percentage of that gas price/ Well that would be another story.
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#2392355 - 05/13/11 07:02 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big J]
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Your correct on standard fuel tax but It's is a precentage 6% in Tennessee per one $ sales tax. The chart I posted the link to shows the regular state fuel tax and the percentage of sales tax you will pay. It don't show federal fuel tax tho. I can't understand whats so hard to grip....when gas was $1 a gallon the state collected 6 cents...with gas at $4 a gallon the state collects 24 cents. Now tell me thats not a windfall of extra tax $$.

And yes Wildkitty ( love that name, kinda grows on ya)..you like to follow any post I make in any forum for the sake of arguement. I could make a post the sky is blue and you would argue the point saying the only reason I said so is my union boss told me so. Sorry but I have not had a union boss in over 10 years now.
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#2392393 - 05/13/11 07:59 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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I don't follow you posts at all. Look at my first post on this thread, I called it out that it wasn't right that the pumps added it on at the end and I've stayed with this all the way though. It's you that keeps changing.
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#2392447 - 05/13/11 09:28 PM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
It's the same everytime....raise the price quite a bit, lower the price a few cents and everyone will be saying look cheap gas in a few months but it never gets back to the original price. Has not anyone else noticed this pattern.

The states are the big winners. With sales tax included in the pump price each time the price goes up thats more tax $$ in their pockets. It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price.


Good Lord!!! We get everything from some people but the real reasons.

Do you have any links at all to prove that??

The Federal AND state taxes are based on PER GALLION, NOT pump price.


Here ya go trying to prove me wrong from your first post...read it again slower..The federal and state motor fuel tax has stayed the same PER gallon...the amount of sales tax collected is based on the pump price Per $. Again do the math gas at $1 a gallon the state collects 6 cents per gallon...at $4 a gallon the state collects 24 cents PER Gallon. No place in my post was anything said about state or federal motor fuel tax.
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#2392449 - 05/13/11 09:30 PM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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#2392459 - 05/13/11 09:55 PM Re: Gas [Re: spitndrum]
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#2392597 - 05/14/11 07:28 AM Re: Gas [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
It's the same everytime....raise the price quite a bit, lower the price a few cents and everyone will be saying look cheap gas in a few months but it never gets back to the original price. Has not anyone else noticed this pattern.

The states are the big winners. With sales tax included in the pump price each time the price goes up thats more tax $$ in their pockets. It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price.


Good Lord!!! We get everything from some people but the real reasons.

Do you have any links at all to prove that??

The Federal AND state taxes are based on PER GALLION, NOT pump price.


Here ya go trying to prove me wrong from your first post...read it again slower..The federal and state motor fuel tax has stayed the same PER gallon...the amount of sales tax collected is based on the pump price Per $. Again do the math gas at $1 a gallon the state collects 6 cents per gallon...at $4 a gallon the state collects 24 cents PER Gallon. No place in my post was anything said about state or federal motor fuel tax.



Oh but I did prove you wrong and you proved YOURRSELF wrong with this post you just made.

Here's this from YOUR post.

It's not based on a set amount per gallon but pump price.



Now you said this,

Again do the math gas at $1 a gallon the state collects 6 cents per gallon...at $4 a gallon the state collects 24 cents PER Gallon.

You changed you entire story right here. You went from NOT getting sales tax PER GAL to getting sales tax PER GAL.

You can't ever read what you write.

Thank you for PROVING ME RIGHT!!!!!
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#2392599 - 05/14/11 07:29 AM Re: Gas [Re: Wildcat]
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Give it a rest.

The bottom line is that the GOVERNMENT is getting rich off of gasoline sales.
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