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#2389634 - 05/10/11 01:30 PM Right to hunt and fish in Tn.
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On November 2nd 2010, 90% of Tennesseans voted to pass an ammendment to the constitution to guarantee us the right to hunt and fish in Tn. This campaign brought all Tn. hunters together. Big and small game hunters, still hunters and houndsman, all worked together to help protect the rights and traditions of the hunters. Now our own agency is proposing to eliminate the rights of a portion of the hunters that helped in passing this ammendment. Whether you hog hunt or not, hog hunters are Tn. sportsman whos rights should be protected. This could just be the beginning, what if deer or turkey hunters are targeted next. I just think we should all stick together.
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#2389643 - 05/10/11 01:46 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: houndsman]
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Houndsman, I'm interested to hear more about this issue. My understanding is that the hogs are completely out of control in certain parts of the state, and TWRA wants to expand the hunting opportunities however they can to hopefully help knock them back.

What am I missing?

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#2389652 - 05/10/11 01:54 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: jay]
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I still don't understand the new Nonprotected proclamation...Not just hogs, but also starlings, english sparrows, rock pigeons... I just can't see how restricting who can kill the invasive species would help control the population. (speaking of landowners only being allowed to kill the species).

I carried a BB gun with me last time I went fishing down by the creek in case a starling flew by. Now by this new proclamation, I don't think I would be able to do that unless it was on my own land. Doesn't make sense. Just lets more of the invasive species breed on land where the landowners don't know or care about them enough to exterminate them.
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#2389657 - 05/10/11 01:56 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: jay]
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Link or references please?
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#2389658 - 05/10/11 01:56 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: jay]
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 Originally Posted By: jay
Houndsman, I'm interested to hear more about this issue. My understanding is that the hogs are completely out of control in certain parts of the state, and TWRA wants to expand the hunting opportunities however they can to hopefully help knock them back.

What am I missing?
It is being proposed to not allow hog hunts on the wmas and do away with hog hunting in Tn. You will only be able to kill hogs on other hunts (such as during a deer hunt) or if you are a landowner or have a permit from a land owner. They want to do away with dog hunts at catoosa and other counties across the state.

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#2389660 - 05/10/11 01:58 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
Link or references please?


http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2384450&page=1#Post2384450
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#2389696 - 05/10/11 02:57 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: TennesseeRains]
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Some how we should be able to shoot a wild hog any time any where we see it. I hunt on a lease most of the time I should be able to take one any time. I am not the land owner, just a leasing.
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#2389738 - 05/10/11 03:48 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: houndsman]
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the way I understood it was that a landowner and/or whoever is on his/her permits were the only ones allowed to hunt hogs? am I wrong or did I misread something?


I believe TWRA is following the "kansas" plan of attack on these hogs. Has anyone researched the plan that Kansas used to help control their growing hog population?

Is TWRA getting federal funding for the hog problem? Who is footing the bill? One report that I read said the plan cost the state of Kansas $450,000 but then dropped considerably after the first year. Several of the articles I read said what the hog population was of Kansas but I dont remember the number but I do remember thinking that their number couldnt even be close to the number hogs in Tennessee.

google kansas hog population and read for yourselves. I found several articles outlining what Kansas did.



I just read where Biggameguy said "Folks will be able to kill wild hogs on many of the East TN WMAs during big game or small game seasons. All other WMAs will not allow the take of wild hogs. If wild hogs show up on WMAs that are currently devoid of hogs, they will be removed by whatever means necessary by state personnel" so that answers my first question


Edited by taximan (05/10/11 03:53 PM)
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#2389757 - 05/10/11 04:23 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: houndsman]
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 Originally Posted By: houndsman
On November 2nd 2010, 90% of Tennesseans voted to pass an ammendment to the constitution to guarantee us the right to hunt and fish in Tn. This campaign brought all Tn. hunters together. Big and small game hunters, still hunters and houndsman, all worked together to help protect the rights and traditions of the hunters. Now our own agency is proposing to eliminate the rights of a portion of the hunters that helped in passing this ammendment. Whether you hog hunt or not, hog hunters are Tn. sportsman whos rights should be protected. This could just be the beginning, what if deer or turkey hunters are targeted next. I just think we should all stick together.


X 2 !!!

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#2389758 - 05/10/11 04:23 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: taximan]
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Not to say it is happening.
But I could see how the new legislation would not promote the need for some folks to introduce hogs into area's that are currently void of hogs.
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#2389764 - 05/10/11 04:32 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: fatboy]
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I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.
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#2390146 - 05/11/11 07:14 AM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.
I thought it suppose to be finalized at the May 19,20 meetings.

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#2390149 - 05/11/11 07:17 AM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: KPH]
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Agree! shoot hogs year round without restrictions!!
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#2390345 - 05/11/11 10:51 AM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: Boone 58]
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 Originally Posted By: camoman270
Agree! shoot hogs year round without restrictions!!


I agree...

If I am on Yanahli which has only rumors of the occasional hog sighting, and I actually see one and come into range, wouldn't it make more sense to kill it then and there instead of reporting it and hoping the "state personnel" are lucky enough to find and exterminate it? Would be less waste of money to allow all hunters to take all the hogs they can/want instead of setting up traps, etc that would probably come from our license or tax money (correct me if I'm wrong).

Or you could do both.... have the state people set up their methods to kill hogs, and allow hunters to kill more at the same time, double kill.

Just my thoughts. Same with the other Nonprotected species.
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#2390570 - 05/11/11 03:48 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.


It still has to be finalized on May 19 & 20...
So it might be a good idea to call our commisioners and let them know how we feel about it and show up at the meeting to voice our opinions cant hurt,it might change thier minds...

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#2390652 - 05/11/11 05:33 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: buckmaster 320]
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http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/BillSummaryArchive.aspx?BillNumber=SB0307&ga=107
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#2390658 - 05/11/11 05:46 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: buckmaster 320]
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 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.


It still has to be finalized on May 19 & 20...
So it might be a good idea to call our commisioners and let them know how we feel about it and show up at the meeting to voice our opinions cant hurt,it might change thier minds...


All of the other changes will be voted on and finalized May 19th & 20th. The changes on the hogs are already a done deal. There will be modifications and changes as time goes on,but other than that it has already been voted in from my understanding.
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#2390700 - 05/11/11 06:40 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: fourwheeler431]
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 Originally Posted By: fourwheeler431
 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.


It still has to be finalized on May 19 & 20...
So it might be a good idea to call our commisioners and let them know how we feel about it and show up at the meeting to voice our opinions cant hurt,it might change thier minds...


All of the other changes will be voted on and finalized May 19th & 20th. The changes on the hogs are already a done deal. There will be modifications and changes as time goes on,but other than that it has already been voted in from my understanding.


Looks like they pulled one on us if its already a done deal

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#2390886 - 05/11/11 10:29 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: buckmaster 320]
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 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: fourwheeler431
 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.


It still has to be finalized on May 19 & 20...
So it might be a good idea to call our commisioners and let them know how we feel about it and show up at the meeting to voice our opinions cant hurt,it might change thier minds...


All of the other changes will be voted on and finalized May 19th & 20th. The changes on the hogs are already a done deal. There will be modifications and changes as time goes on,but other than that it has already been voted in from my understanding.


Looks like they pulled one on us if its already a done deal

They pulled one on us on this deal. Just wait til Farm Bureau, USDA decides they want some other animal gone, like deer.
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#2392122 - 05/13/11 12:42 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: fourwheeler431
 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.


It still has to be finalized on May 19 & 20...
So it might be a good idea to call our commisioners and let them know how we feel about it and show up at the meeting to voice our opinions cant hurt,it might change thier minds...


All of the other changes will be voted on and finalized May 19th & 20th. The changes on the hogs are already a done deal. There will be modifications and changes as time goes on,but other than that it has already been voted in from my understanding.


Looks like they pulled one on us if its already a done deal

They pulled one on us on this deal. Just wait til Farm Bureau, USDA decides they want some other animal gone, like deer.
Yea thats my point exactly if they can take one privlige away they are sure to take more. Deer are responsible for thousands of vehicle accidents resulting in millions of dollars paid out by insurance companies each year and they even cause human casualties. Seems to me the insurance companies have the have the same right to want deer eradicated from Tn. to save them money and the lives of people harmed in these accidents. If we don't stick together now we may be all sitting at home watching tv in the fall instead of enjoying the outdoors.

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#2392143 - 05/13/11 01:06 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: houndsman]
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Pretty sure hogs can be hunted year round w/o a license even, as long as you're on the list of a landowner. Haven't read up on the WMA's.
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#2392166 - 05/13/11 01:30 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: MUP]
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At the rate they are going we are only going to be able to exercise our newly granted Constitutional Right to Hunt and Fish only on snipe and then only on the third Monday of the month from 2-4pm and only with a paper sack and a stick that must not be larger than 8" long and a diameter no bigger than 1 1/8th of an inch. LOL \:\)
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#2392211 - 05/13/11 02:38 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: houndsman]
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 Originally Posted By: houndsman
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: fourwheeler431
 Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont think its proposed. My understanding is that the TWRA just went ahead and did it, its already passed. Thats the answer I got in the TWRA forum.


It still has to be finalized on May 19 & 20...
So it might be a good idea to call our commisioners and let them know how we feel about it and show up at the meeting to voice our opinions cant hurt,it might change thier minds...


All of the other changes will be voted on and finalized May 19th & 20th. The changes on the hogs are already a done deal. There will be modifications and changes as time goes on,but other than that it has already been voted in from my understanding.


Looks like they pulled one on us if its already a done deal

They pulled one on us on this deal. Just wait til Farm Bureau, USDA decides they want some other animal gone, like deer.
Yea thats my point exactly if they can take one privlige away they are sure to take more. Deer are responsible for thousands of vehicle accidents resulting in millions of dollars paid out by insurance companies each year and they even cause human casualties. Seems to me the insurance companies have the have the same right to want deer eradicated from Tn. to save them money and the lives of people harmed in these accidents. If we don't stick together now we may be all sitting at home watching tv in the fall instead of enjoying the outdoors.


got me thinking a bit.

At which point do you draw the line between eradicating all animals that cause harm or damage to us, and letting the animals go because they have a right to their habitat too? We can't just go kill everything that gets in our way, yet we also can't just let them completely reign and eat all our crops, overrun our roads, etc.

I hope the TWRC/TWRA has some common sense in this area. We do have a right to hunt the animals, especially if they are causing damage in my opinion.
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#2392227 - 05/13/11 03:08 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529

got me thinking a bit.

At which point do you draw the line between eradicating all animals that cause harm or damage to us, and letting the animals go because they have a right to their habitat too? We can't just go kill everything that gets in our way, yet we also can't just let them completely reign and eat all our crops, overrun our roads, etc.

I hope the TWRC/TWRA has some common sense in this area. We do have a right to hunt the animals, especially if they are causing damage in my opinion.


It all has to do with hogs falling under a non native species classification, therefore removing them from any effort to provide a sustainable type game managment practice for them as far as sport hunting is concerned. THAT is where the line has been drawn.





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#2392229 - 05/13/11 03:11 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529

got me thinking a bit.

At which point do you draw the line between eradicating all animals that cause harm or damage to us, and letting the animals go because they have a right to their habitat too? We can't just go kill everything that gets in our way, yet we also can't just let them completely reign and eat all our crops, overrun our roads, etc.

I hope the TWRC/TWRA has some common sense in this area. We do have a right to hunt the animals, especially if they are causing damage in my opinion.


It all has to do with hogs falling under a non native species classification, therefore removing them from any effort to provide a sustainable type game managment practice for them as far as sport hunting is concerned. THAT is where the line has been drawn.


That makes sense, their being non-native and all. I still say open them to all types of taking by anybody... trapping, shooting, you name it, by any hunters and not just landowners or state personnel or exterminators.
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#2392237 - 05/13/11 03:31 PM Re: Right to hunt and fish in Tn. [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: catman529

got me thinking a bit.

At which point do you draw the line between eradicating all animals that cause harm or damage to us, and letting the animals go because they have a right to their habitat too? We can't just go kill everything that gets in our way, yet we also can't just let them completely reign and eat all our crops, overrun our roads, etc.

I hope the TWRC/TWRA has some common sense in this area. We do have a right to hunt the animals, especially if they are causing damage in my opinion.


It all has to do with hogs falling under a non native species classification, therefore removing them from any effort to provide a sustainable type game managment practice for them as far as sport hunting is concerned. THAT is where the line has been drawn.


That makes sense, their being non-native and all. I still say open them to all types of taking by anybody... trapping, shooting, you name it, by any hunters and not just landowners or state personnel or exterminators.


I agree,...

...But TWRA has made up thier minds that the group with the most vested intrest in the keeping hog numbers up or even expanding in tennesse is the dog hunters....and it appears that TWRA is determined to remove any incintive for anyone to promote the hogs expantion in the name of sport hunting in any fashion what so ever....









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