#2382328 - 05/01/11 01:39 PM
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http://www.semissourian.com/story/1723379.html
SIKESTON, Mo. -- With the rains returning and the flood gauge at Cairo, Ill., expected to match all-time highs by Monday, Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh gave the order Saturday to move barges carrying 250 tons of explosives to Wickliffe, Ky., putting them in position to blow the Birds Point levee in Mississippi County.
But Walsh said at a news conference Saturday afternoon he has yet to decide whether he will activate the plan that would inundate 132,000 acres of farmland in Mississippi and New Madrid counties.
"No decision has been made," said Walsh, president of the Mississippi River Commission and commander of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Mississippi Valley Division. "It's not time-phased, it's condition-phased."
And moving the barges is not even an indicator that he's more strongly considering blowing the levee, which would relieve pressure from the swollen Mississippi River by diverting its waters to 132,000 acres of farmland in Mississippi and New Madrid counties.
It was the next step to prepare for that contingency, which was precipitated by the Cairo gauge of 59.19 feet, which is just below the all-time high of 59.5 feet, a level that is expected at Cairo by Monday or Tuesday, Walsh said. Three to four inches of rain was also expected to be dumped on an already soaked Southeast Missouri within the next two to three days, forecasters said.
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#2382335 - 05/01/11 01:51 PM
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whewwwww... man!
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#2382347 - 05/01/11 02:08 PM
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#2382354 - 05/01/11 02:18 PM
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"On Saturday, Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh gave the order to move barges carrying 265 tons of explosives upriver in Kentucky from Hickman to Wickliffe."
http://www.stategazette.com/story/1723412.html
I did not know it was going to take that much explosives to blow the levee.
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#2382558 - 05/01/11 06:02 PM
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General orders pipes at Bird Point levee loaded with blasting agent
Sunday, May 1, 2011 ~ Updated 5:05 PM
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is taking the final steps to prepare the Birds Point levee in Mississippi County for detonation, though the man in charge says that decision has still yet to be made.
Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh ordered field crews on Sunday to move barges loaded with 250 tons of explosives across the river from Kentucky to Missouri and to load the pipes with the blasting agent.
The only step left - the final one - would be to activate the floodway, which would send Mississippi River floodwaters through the 130,000-acre floodway in Mississippi County.
"The final decision to activate the floodway has not been made. Repeat - has not been made," the corps said in a release
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1723455.html
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#2382564 - 05/01/11 06:08 PM
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Lake County mayor Macie Roberson said he was advised that as of 4:30 p.m. Sunday, it was T-minus 21 hours and counting on the Birds Point Floodway. “We expect it to be blown about 1 p.m. tomorrow (Monday),” he said.
http://www.lakecountybanner.com/news.php?viewStory=2613
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#2382578 - 05/01/11 06:26 PM
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I hope someone will take some pictures
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#2382632 - 05/01/11 07:36 PM
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Thats a lot of explosives
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#2382736 - 05/01/11 09:21 PM
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The barges carrying the explosives are anchored across from Columbus-Belmont State Park right now. They will probably move upriver at first light tomorrow.
I feel so bad for those poor farm families. Most of that farmland is already planted in corn. According to the Mo Dept of Ag, it now costs about $400/acre to put out corn, what with high fuel & fertilizer prices. Financially, it will bankrupt a lot of families if they blow the levee. Crop insurance would pay if the levee was breeched by an act of God but, in this case, the Gov't will be blowing a 2 mile long hole in it. Once the farmland is flooded, this year's crop will most likely be a total loss because flood water will probably not recede in time to plant soybeans, even if the farmers could overcome the financial losses & get loans to replant the land. I am really sad for these families. If any of you know farmers, you know how hard they have to work. Really bad deal for them.
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#2382773 - 05/01/11 09:40 PM
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I hope someone will take some pictures
I agree. I hate to see it happen, but I want to see the video if they go through with it.
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#2383037 - 05/02/11 08:17 AM
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Lake County mayor Macie Roberson said he was advised that as of 4:30 p.m. Sunday, it was T-minus 21 hours and counting on the Birds Point Floodway. “We expect it to be blown about 1 p.m. tomorrow (Monday),” he said.
This schedule will not be met. They are onsite but cannot load the explosives because the weather is not cooperating.
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#2383044 - 05/02/11 08:20 AM
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Lake County mayor Macie Roberson said he was advised that as of 4:30 p.m. Sunday, it was T-minus 21 hours and counting on the Birds Point Floodway. “We expect it to be blown about 1 p.m. tomorrow (Monday),” he said. This schedule will not be met. They are onsite but cannot load the explosives because the weather is not cooperating.
Kinda confusing, the mayor is saying there is a T-minus time yet the corps facebook page still says no decision to actually activate has been made. 
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#2383049 - 05/02/11 08:25 AM
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Birds Point New Madrid Floodway Joint Information Center
Crews are continuing to fill pipes along levees. We will keep posting regular updates
This was just posted on the facebook page.
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#2383073 - 05/02/11 08:44 AM
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Kinda confusing, the mayor is saying there is a T-minus time yet the corps facebook page still says no decision to actually activate has been made.
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#2383087 - 05/02/11 08:56 AM
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Monday, May 2, 2011
Walsh, president of the Mississippi River Commission, on Sunday directed U.S. Army Corps of Engineers crews to move barges of explosives across the river to Missouri and load the pipes with the blasting agents that, if detonated, would send water flowing over more than 130,000 acres in Mississippi County.
The order came about 3:30 p.m. Sunday and corps officials said loading the pipes with the "slurry" -- a liquid mix of aluminum powder and sodium perchlorate -- would take about 20 hours, meaning the work should be completed by noon today.
Walsh said he would review the situation continuously as conditions change. The next step, and the final one, would be to activate the floodway by artificially breaching the levee. The final decision to activate the floodway has not been made, the corps said.
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1723455.html
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#2383089 - 05/02/11 08:59 AM
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Supreme Court denies request to stop levee breach
Monday, May 2, 2011
The U.S. Supreme Court on Sunday refused to halt a plan by the Army Corps of Engineers to blast open a levee to relieve the rain-swollen Mississippi River even as the Illinois town at risk of flooding was cleared out.
As Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito issued his ruling, struggling Cairo near the confluence of Ohio and Mississippi rivers resembled a ghost town.
Illinois National Guard troops went door to door with law enforcers to enforce the mayor's "mandatory" evacuation order the previous night.
Alito did not comment in denying Missouri's request to block the corps' plan. Alito handles emergency requests from Missouri and other states in the 8th Circuit in the Midwest.
Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh, the corps officer in charge of deciding whether to breach the levee, ordered field crews to move barges to the Missouri side of the river and begin loading pipes in the levee with explosives in anticipation of blowing up a two-mile section just downriver from Cairo. He stressed that the decision to do so has not been made.
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1723460.html
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#2383162 - 05/02/11 10:17 AM
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Kinda confusing, the mayor is saying there is a T-minus time yet the corps facebook page still says no decision to actually activate has been made. I would put my trust in the Corps FB page but pay very close attention to the words that are used. For example, the Corps has been giving the "authority" to blow them and they are "preparing" them by filling the holes with explosives but this does not 100% mean they will "activate" them. Common sense tells me it will happen, but only MG Walsh can make that decision. Anything prior to his "official decision" is pure speculation. Just pointing this out because words have to be chosen wisely with all the media their looking for any tidbits to make a headline story (regardless if it is factual or not).
They've pumped the levees before, only to remove the explosives. It's just part of a well rehearsed and well planned execution. They will wait until the last possible minute to blow the levees. Keep in mind this is an absolute, last-ditch remedy, and one that will be heavily thought out before implementation. It's the Cuban Missile Crisis of the USACE flood control program.
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#2383210 - 05/02/11 11:07 AM
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River at Cairo goes over 61 feet; Corps still loading explosives
Monday, May 2, 2011 ~ Updated 10:36 AM
The Ohio River at Cairo is now over 61 feet, the level at which the Army Corps of Engineers can activate the Birds Point New Madrid Floodway.
The river stage stood at 61.08 at 10:30 a.m. after shattering the previous record of 59.51 Sunday. The river had risen 1.32 feet in the preceding 24 hours.
The corps announced via social media service Facebook that pipes on the Birds Point levee were still being filled with explosives just after 8 a.m. The 20-hour process of filling the pipes began Sunday afternoon.
If Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh, president of the Mississippi River Commission, gives the order, the levee will be breached and the river will flow over about 130,000 acres of fertile farmland. The move would relieve pressure on the flood-control system and hopefully prevent uncontrolled levee failures at Cairo and other spots.
Once the explosives are loaded, Walsh could give the order to breach at any time.
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1723568.html
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#2383303 - 05/02/11 01:02 PM
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I was waiting on you to chime in dude.  Whats your gut feeling?
I tend not to look things up over the weekend from my phone.
Apparently, it's reached 61'. If it shows no signs of cresting then falling, I think it's a gonner. But I would think they would hold back a bit to see if it crests below 63'. From what I remember, 63' is the drop-dead stage to blow it. I know they're weighing all options prior to pulling the trigger, but if there are no signs of slowing past 61', it's AMF, floodway bound here shortly.
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#2383372 - 05/02/11 02:19 PM
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Its easily going to reach 63.
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#2383383 - 05/02/11 02:36 PM
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That was issued 12 hours ago...it has changed.
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#2383392 - 05/02/11 02:52 PM
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That was issued 12 hours ago...it has changed.
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#2383394 - 05/02/11 02:54 PM
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Current forecasts do not take into account even current rain events, let alone future rain events. They only address the water in the channel already. The river can crest, then fall, then rise again due to the rain currently happening. If it can fall more than it'll crest again, that'll be a good thing.
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#2383439 - 05/02/11 03:52 PM
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MG Walsh will announce his decision regarding operation of the Floodway at 5 pm today.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Birds-Poin...120898681323357
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#2383444 - 05/02/11 03:57 PM
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Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh of the Army Corps of Engineers will make an announcement about the Birds Point levee at 5 p.m., corps representatives at Sikeston said just after 2 p.m. Monday.
Corps spokesman Jim Pogue wouldn't say what the general's announcement would be. Walsh is the head of the Mississippi River Commission and the man charged with making a decision on the intentional breach of the levee. The breach would flood about 200 acres of prime farm land in Mississippi County, Mo., in order to relieve pressure on other points of the river flood-control system, including at Cairo, Ill.
The rain has not only increased the rapid rise of the Ohio River at Cairo, but it has delayed the placement of explosives into pipes at the Birds Point levee.
Pogue said just before 2 p.m. that barge crews were still loading the explosives. After the loading is finished, it would take three hours to be ready for blasting, if the order is given. The corps hasn't said yet that it definitely plans to breach the levee.
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1723568.html
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#2383457 - 05/02/11 04:06 PM
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I think the article misrepresented the Floodway's acreage.....it's about 200 sq. miles, not 200 acres.
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#2383473 - 05/02/11 04:20 PM
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At the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh will make a call that likely means devastation on one side of the waters or the other.
The 55-year-old officer, whose nearly two decades of command in the Army Corps of Engineers includes a stint in Iraq and helping oversee the restoration of the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina, is choosing now whether to blow a
massive hole in the Birds Point levee in southeast Missouri. Doing so will drown 130,000 acres of rich farmland and destroy 100 homes. Opting not to risks that flooding will wipe away the entire town of Cairo, Ill. It also has consequences on the entire levee system.
Robert Jackson, a commissioner in Mississippi County, Mo., who owns 1,500 acres in the floodway, became animated and even mildly cursed during the forum in East Prairie, saying that blasting the levee would not only damage farm land but undo millions of dollars of work the county has done on everything from roads to ditches.
Walsh remained calm, but stood firm that all options were on the table. And Jackson said later that he understands what the general is up against.
"Human lives come first," Jackson said. If people died because a levee broke downriver, "They'd drag him in front of a Senate committee tomorrow to answer for it."
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1723718.html
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#2383519 - 05/02/11 05:18 PM
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channel 3 news Memphis just stated a 5:19 pm today that they will start blowing the levee at 9:00 tonight
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#2383522 - 05/02/11 05:20 PM
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channel 3 news Memphis just stated a 5:19 pm today that they will start blowing the levee at 9:00 tonight
Quote from Corps:
Birds Point New Madrid Floodway Joint Information Center
"We expect to execute the project between 9:00 p.m and midnight tonight"
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#2383580 - 05/02/11 06:47 PM
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Unbelievable!
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#2383621 - 05/02/11 07:23 PM
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Current forecasts do not take into account even current rain events, let alone future rain events. They only address the water in the channel already.
I mean no disrespect but that is 100% untrue.
We have had the Lower Mississippi River Forecast Center ingesting our 5 day rainfall forecast into their models since last Thursday.
Usually they only ingest the next 48 hours, but given the gravity of this situation we asked, and they honored our request.
We(the NWS in Memphis) have been working very closely with the LMRFC to get then most accurate forecast they can.
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#2383647 - 05/02/11 07:36 PM
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This has really gotten overblown in the media. Blowing the levy will add exactly ZERO additional water to the River system...it will just take a different path to get back to the mainstream.
On the Mississippi, Tiptonville and Caruthersville might see a 6 inch bump due to the increased speed of water surging into the St Francis then to the MS initially but as it dissipates the river levels should return to what they were before the blast. Again NO extra water is entering the system.
...either way there is going to be some catastrophic flooding on the MS River...but blowing up this levee is just an exciting story.
Edited by BamaProud (05/02/11 07:38 PM)
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#2383654 - 05/02/11 07:40 PM
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Unless you are one of those property owners here http://www.semissourian.com/files/bpnm_floodway.pdf
this reall isn't a big deal.
I just hope they film it.
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#2383661 - 05/02/11 07:42 PM
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Hope they got some big lights to film it with.
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#2383836 - 05/02/11 10:14 PM
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They just blew it!!!!!
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#2383856 - 05/02/11 10:48 PM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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ROB
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I feel so bad for those poor farm families. All their hard work, in some cases the work of a lifetime, just got washed away.
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#2383982 - 05/03/11 08:20 AM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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I feel so bad for those poor farm families. All their hard work, in some cases the work of a lifetime, just got washed away.
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#2384011 - 05/03/11 08:44 AM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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I feel so bad for those poor farm families. All their hard work, in some cases the work of a lifetime, just got washed away. Yep,tough decision
yet, all along they knew that they were in a flood zone
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#2384039 - 05/03/11 09:10 AM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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8 POINTS OR BETTER
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I think blowing the levee will save more than it destroyed. By doing so the projected crest 50 miles up the Ohio River has been lowered 3 feet.
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#2384084 - 05/03/11 10:00 AM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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Current forecasts do not take into account even current rain events, let alone future rain events. They only address the water in the channel already. I mean no disrespect but that is 100% untrue. We have had the Lower Mississippi River Forecast Center ingesting our 5 day rainfall forecast into their models since last Thursday. Usually they only ingest the next 48 hours, but given the gravity of this situation we asked, and they honored our request. We(the NWS in Memphis) have been working very closely with the LMRFC to get then most accurate forecast they can.
Maybe I should clarify....as of 2002 when I worked at the Memphis District Corps office, the USACE's forecaster didn't take into account future rain events.
I think that's why the Weather Service's forecasters didn't have to change their models as frequently 
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#2384314 - 05/03/11 02:52 PM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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Andy S.
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Maybe I should clarify....as of 2002 when I worked at the Memphis District Corps office, the USACE's forecaster didn't take into account future rain events.I think that's why the Weather Service's forecasters didn't have to change their models as frequently
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#2384497 - 05/03/11 06:29 PM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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Someone loses either way. I just watched the weather channel report and a lot of Metropolis is flooded. I suppose they had to take the path with the least impact to people. I truly hate it for all of them.
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#2384760 - 05/03/11 10:56 PM
Re: closer to blowing Birds Point levee
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Rob R.
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I hope the farmers and other property owners will be compensated! The floodwaters will actually help the farmland in the long run.
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