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#2358083 - 04/02/11 10:50 AM 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age
grundsow
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I could use some more opinions on the age of this deer my uncle got last December in SE Pennsylvania. Deer was living on mostly forested range along the Appalacian Trail with farming in the valleys below. Thanks

Also, for some reason this deer was missing a premolor on one side. Don't know how common that is.





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#2358098 - 04/02/11 11:09 AM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: grundsow]
pass-thru
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2.5 ....but tooth wear is variable...got a pic of the deer?
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#2358136 - 04/02/11 12:42 PM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: pass-thru]
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3.5
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#2358912 - 04/03/11 08:33 AM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: pass-thru]
grundsow
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 Originally Posted By: pass-thru
got a pic of the deer?


I came up with 3Ĺ


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#2359363 - 04/03/11 07:48 PM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: grundsow]
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That's a "tweener" between 2 1/2 and 3 1/2. The dentine is not clearly wider than the enamel on the 4th tooth (first true molar), but the crests are definitely worn off that tooth. Premolars also show a little more wear than normal for a 2 1/2 year-old.

I would feel comforatable with either age classificiation, although if someone forced me to pick one or the other I generally tend to go with the older age on "tweeners".
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#2363782 - 04/08/11 11:27 AM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: BSK]
grundsow
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Thanks guys!

The weight seemed light for 3Ĺ (Iíve seen definite yearlings that were heavier), while at the same time the length of the jawbone was the longest Iíve ever handled Ė probably a full inch longer than the rest.

Very interesting, every time I think I have this aging thing down pat, Iím thrown a curve ball. Iím learning that there apparently is great variation within all age classes in terms of weights, antler size, bone structure. Makes me really question the aging on-the-hoof thing.

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#3281459 - 07/03/13 11:13 AM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: grundsow]
grundsow
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**UPDATE**

I got test results back recently, and according to Matson's lab this deer is "1 - 2 years old", so obviously the age is 2.5.

Just thought I'd share that as I found it interesting.

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#3281502 - 07/03/13 12:02 PM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: grundsow]
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I think BSK pegged it best as a "tweener".

My initial "look-see" called him a 2 1/2.

Keep in mind no method is 100% accurate, including Matson's lab.
But I really doubt this buck could have been any older than 3 1/2, and may have been closer to 2 1/2 (early born 2 1/2).

Could also be another example of "Wesley's High-Grading Theory" \:\)
If that buck was only 2 1/2, he had some exceptionally good antler genetics for living near the Appalachian Trail.

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#3281902 - 07/03/13 08:57 PM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I'd say that's one big 2.5 yr old..
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#3286169 - 07/08/13 11:36 PM Re: 2nd Opinion on Tooth Age [Re: BHC]
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Stud 2.5 year old!!!
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