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#2309224 - 02/15/11 08:00 AM Caping vs skinning question.
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Am I missing something here? I've been deer hunting for 37 years and have skinned my share of deer. Many of those I skinned out to be mounted.

Is there a difference between the two that I don't know about?

Would there ever be a reason why a processor would charge you to cape a deer out and then charge you for skinning it as well?

just curious, thanks.
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#2309227 - 02/15/11 08:02 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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sure, theres more time and effort in caping a deer head out as opposed to just jerking the hide off of it. You got to do the ears, eyes, muzzle....most people that skin out thier own deer to be mounted just cut the head off at the neck and leave the skull with it...

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#2309233 - 02/15/11 08:05 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
sure, theres more time and effort in caping a deer head out as opposed to just jerking the hide off of it. You got to do the ears, eyes, face ....
NO.....this is not caping it out as a taxidermist would do.......all they did was take the hide off down to the head and cut the head off and put it in a garbage bag....like the average hunter may do himself when he wants to get the deer mounted.
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#2309241 - 02/15/11 08:10 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: tndrbstr]
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Yep, two totally seperate processes......................

Skinning is basically removing the hide in any manner/fashion you choose.

Capping is a detailed process of removing the hide without cutting it in any manner for the purpose of tanning the hide.

When I skin out my deer I run a cut from the belly to the chin, across the chest down the inside of both frt. legs and peel..............then just cut the skull off at the end of the spine.

When caping I never make a cut past the brisket area, the hide is in one piece at this point. Unless you are mounting that specific deer or looking to have an extra cap..........I see no reason to cap one out.

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#2309248 - 02/15/11 08:15 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Would there ever be a reason why a processor would charge you to cape a deer out and then charge you for skinning it as well?

just curious, thanks.

As far as I have ever heard skinning the deer is just part of the proccessing fee, you aren't specificly charged for it in the cost, its like plastic bags or paper etc...caping and fleshing the head correctly is actually a part of the mounting proccess and can effect the quality of the mount and is often itemized on the ticket as such I guess...

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#2309290 - 02/15/11 08:41 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Would there ever be a reason why a processor would charge you to cape a deer out and then charge you for skinning it as well?

just curious, thanks.

As far as I have ever heard skinning the deer is just part of the proccessing fee, you aren't specificly charged for it in the cost, its like plastic bags or paper etc...caping and fleshing the head correctly is actually a part of the mounting proccess and can effect the quality of the mount and is often itemized on the ticket as such I guess...


"Most" and I say most processors will ask if you will be having a mount done, it depends greatly on how the hide is removed. With todays thinking...................I could see a taxidermist doing a seperate charge to earn more money for his time to cape out a neck.............silly yes, possible definately.

I have never sent a deer to be processed and have always caped my own and dropped the cape off to the taxidermist.

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#2309323 - 02/15/11 08:59 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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Okay, thanks.

So, basically, what you are saying is that unless you specify and pay an extra fee for the caping, the processor will just get the skin off any way he can and not be concerned with cutting the hide.?

In this case, a fee was paid up front for the caping of the deer and then a skinning fee was charged to the bill when the guy went to pay for the meat.

I was having a hard time understanding how you could charge a fee to skin a deer that has already been caped out and a fee charged for that?

thanks
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#2309331 - 02/15/11 09:07 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I have never seen it broken down into sections for processing..........

Skinning - $10
Quartering - $15
Cutting/wrapping - $30

Etc......................

It is usually a drop off your deer, specify mount or not and come back to pick up your processed meat(or someone elses meat)............pay one flat rate. I don't care much for processors. I have seen and know to many things to ever want to take one of mine to one.

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#2309357 - 02/15/11 09:28 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
I have never seen it broken down into sections for processing..........

Skinning - $10
Quartering - $15
Cutting/wrapping - $30

Etc......................

It is usually a drop off your deer, specify mount or not and come back to pick up your processed meat(or someone elses meat)............pay one flat rate. I don't care much for processors. I have seen and know to many things to ever want to take one of mine to one.

FDXX75


Here...or at least where I take deer, there is a separate charge for everything......

if you bring a whole deer in , you will be charged a fee for gutting and skin (about $25.00 total.). So, you are charged $25 before you even get to the processing part. , a standard processing fee of $40.00, plus a charge for beef or pork fat for ground meat,

So basically, without anything fancy, you will have $65.00 in a deer before you get to meat tenderizing, sausage, hamburger, or anything else. Sure you can gut it and skin it yourself, but on those COLD days, that's not the best option, imo...lol.

I have no idea about whether this is high for this type work and have gladly paid it years without complaining. My gripe was about "double paying" (imo)for the caping and skinning.
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#2309363 - 02/15/11 09:33 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
I have never seen it broken down into sections for processing..........

Skinning - $10
Quartering - $15
Cutting/wrapping - $30

Etc......................

It is usually a drop off your deer, specify mount or not and come back to pick up your processed meat(or someone elses meat)............pay one flat rate. I don't care much for processors. I have seen and know to many things to ever want to take one of mine to one.

FDXX75


Here...or at least where I take deer, there is a separate charge for everything......

if you bring a whole deer in , you will be charged a fee for gutting and skin (about $25.00 total.). So, you are charged $25 before you even get to the processing part. , a standard processing fee of $40.00, plus a charge for beef or pork fat for ground meat,

So basically, without anything fancy, you will have $65.00 in a deer before you get to meat tenderizing, sausage, hamburger, or anything else. Sure you can gut it and skin it yourself, but on those COLD days, that's not the best option, imo...lol.

I have no idea about whether this is high for this type work and have gladly paid it years without complaining. My gripe was about "double paying" (imo)for the caping and skinning.



Dude, if you are paying someone to "gut" your deer............please.

First thing I am doing after squeezing the trigger is reaching for the knife to get the guts out of it and start the cooling process......................I have never in my life heard of someone paying to have their deer gutted.

FDXX75
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#2309523 - 02/15/11 11:52 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
I have never seen it broken down into sections for processing..........

Skinning - $10
Quartering - $15
Cutting/wrapping - $30

Etc......................

It is usually a drop off your deer, specify mount or not and come back to pick up your processed meat(or someone elses meat)............pay one flat rate. I don't care much for processors. I have seen and know to many things to ever want to take one of mine to one.

FDXX75


Here...or at least where I take deer, there is a separate charge for everything......

if you bring a whole deer in , you will be charged a fee for gutting and skin (about $25.00 total.). So, you are charged $25 before you even get to the processing part. , a standard processing fee of $40.00, plus a charge for beef or pork fat for ground meat,

So basically, without anything fancy, you will have $65.00 in a deer before you get to meat tenderizing, sausage, hamburger, or anything else. Sure you can gut it and skin it yourself, but on those COLD days, that's not the best option, imo...lol.

I have no idea about whether this is high for this type work and have gladly paid it years without complaining. My gripe was about "double paying" (imo)for the caping and skinning.



Dude, if you are paying someone to "gut" your deer............please.

First thing I am doing after squeezing the trigger is reaching for the knife to get the guts out of it and start the cooling process......................I have never in my life heard of someone paying to have their deer gutted.

FDXX75


Both bucks that i took this year, I gutted. Any deer that has to be dragged any distance is gutted. Sometimes if it's bad out, and I can get to the deer with the truck or wheeler without dragging it, and the deer is going to a friend( who will pay for gutting) , then I don't gut it.

Sometimes I prefer hanging it and skinning it before I gut it. That keeps the hair out of the inside that way.

Many people that hunt fields and dry areas don't gut deer around here. You would be surprised at the people that drive right up to their deer in their pickup, throw it in the back and drive straight to the processor where they can check it in as well.

If you hunt a long way from the processor or maybe in areas where it may take alot of time to get a deer out, then you probably do gut every one. Every deer that I have killed on Chaney was gutted because they were usually hard to get out. maybe one or two that I had help on were not. many times where I have hunted dragging a deer through swamps and thick areas a deer can get pretty nasty before you get it out.

let's see......pay ten dollars to have it gutted at the processor OR do it yourself in sleet and temps in the teens while standing in backwater in the dark, holding a flashlight in your mouth..........which one do I take...hmmmmmmm...LOL?
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#2309539 - 02/15/11 12:03 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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a man paying someone to gut his deer

what's this world coming to? lol


might as well, I've heard of people paying to have their guns bore-sighted and zeroed.
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#2309556 - 02/15/11 12:17 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Stovepipe]
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For the life of me I never would have thought that anybody would not immediately gut their deer until getting on this forum. It's always the first thing I do after killing one and actually the last thing on my mind before squeezing the trigger,"do I feel like gutting a deer".
As for "caping", if the deer is going to be mounted I let my taxidemist skin & cape, if not I skin it.
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#2309564 - 02/15/11 12:27 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: TC4ever]
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 Originally Posted By: TC4ever
For the life of me I never would have thought that anybody would not immediately gut their deer until getting on this forum. It's always the first thing I do after killing one and actually the last thing on my mind before squeezing the trigger,"do I feel like gutting a deer".
As for "caping", if the deer is going to be mounted I let my taxidemist skin & cape, if not I skin it.
well, your wife guts yours- so anyway

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#2309568 - 02/15/11 12:31 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
I have never seen it broken down into sections for processing..........

Skinning - $10
Quartering - $15
Cutting/wrapping - $30

Etc......................

It is usually a drop off your deer, specify mount or not and come back to pick up your processed meat(or someone elses meat)............pay one flat rate. I don't care much for processors. I have seen and know to many things to ever want to take one of mine to one.

FDXX75


Here...or at least where I take deer, there is a separate charge for everything......

if you bring a whole deer in , you will be charged a fee for gutting and skin (about $25.00 total.). So, you are charged $25 before you even get to the processing part. , a standard processing fee of $40.00, plus a charge for beef or pork fat for ground meat,

So basically, without anything fancy, you will have $65.00 in a deer before you get to meat tenderizing, sausage, hamburger, or anything else. Sure you can gut it and skin it yourself, but on those COLD days, that's not the best option, imo...lol.

I have no idea about whether this is high for this type work and have gladly paid it years without complaining. My gripe was about "double paying" (imo)for the caping and skinning.



Dude, if you are paying someone to "gut" your deer............please.

First thing I am doing after squeezing the trigger is reaching for the knife to get the guts out of it and start the cooling process......................I have never in my life heard of someone paying to have their deer gutted.

FDXX75


Both bucks that i took this year, I gutted. Any deer that has to be dragged any distance is gutted. Sometimes if it's bad out, and I can get to the deer with the truck or wheeler without dragging it, and the deer is going to a friend( who will pay for gutting) , then I don't gut it.

Sometimes I prefer hanging it and skinning it before I gut it. That keeps the hair out of the inside that way.

Many people that hunt fields and dry areas don't gut deer around here. You would be surprised at the people that drive right up to their deer in their pickup, throw it in the back and drive straight to the processor where they can check it in as well.

If you hunt a long way from the processor or maybe in areas where it may take alot of time to get a deer out, then you probably do gut every one. Every deer that I have killed on Chaney was gutted because they were usually hard to get out. maybe one or two that I had help on were not. many times where I have hunted dragging a deer through swamps and thick areas a deer can get pretty nasty before you get it out.

let's see......pay ten dollars to have it gutted at the processor OR do it yourself in sleet and temps in the teens while standing in backwater in the dark, holding a flashlight in your mouth..........which one do I take...hmmmmmmm...LOL?


Well, it's a no brainer................gut the darn thing. I have stood in the woods with temps so cold I prayed to shoot a deer just so I could gut it and warm up my hands..........LOL.

I shot a huge buck on Thanksgiving morning of '97, the temps were in the single digits, I pulled the heart and liver out, layed them in a plastic bad and set my knife down, before I could reach back in the gut cavity to finish up, my knife was frozen to the bad and the blood was froze on my hands..........

Well, as always............to each his own. I can't even imagine how some of those deer must have tasted leaving the guts in them while you skinned it.....................yuck.

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#2309593 - 02/15/11 12:53 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Stovepipe]
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 Originally Posted By: Stovepipe
 Originally Posted By: TC4ever
For the life of me I never would have thought that anybody would not immediately gut their deer until getting on this forum. It's always the first thing I do after killing one and actually the last thing on my mind before squeezing the trigger,"do I feel like gutting a deer".
As for "caping", if the deer is going to be mounted I let my taxidemist skin & cape, if not I skin it.
well, your wife guts yours- so anyway

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#2309673 - 02/15/11 02:09 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: TC4ever]
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Don't think my processor accepts deer unless they have been gutted. never heard of one charging for skinning the deer.

In SC we did not gut the deer until we got to the clubhouse and we start gun hunting in August.
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#2309690 - 02/15/11 02:27 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: WRbowhunter]
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Gut em as soon as you get em. No reason not to unless you need the body weight intact.

Skinning and caping ate two seperate things. Skinning is just removing the skin and cutting the head off with the skin still on it.

Caping is the act of removing the skin from the head. Although not particularly difficult, it can be delicate especially around the eyes and nose. I can't imagine a processor not charging extra for both skinning and caping. Most of the time, when I was guiding, I did not charge for skinning. I charged $25 for caping.
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#2310048 - 02/15/11 08:11 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: bowriter]
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Just do it yourself !!
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#2310295 - 02/16/11 12:34 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Snake]
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Snake gave you excellent advice if you have caped several before. If not,he gave you terrible advice. If you plan to have the head mounted, don't cape it yourself until you have learned how. That is a great way to ruin a cape. Skinning doesn't matter. You won't hurt anything.
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#2310300 - 02/16/11 01:46 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Snake]
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This year I took a buck that my son shot to a processor close to home. I always process my deer myself but I was giving this deer to an older lady I know. I wanted to get this deer mounted for my son so I thought I might as well have them cape it out while it was there.

I paid the extra $ 10 fee to have this buck caped out and I was expecting to get just the hide and horns with skull plate back. Well what I got was the deer head skinned down to a few inches behind the ears and cut off there. I felt that's what they would have done anyways to skin/process the deer so I didn't really see where the extra $ 10 came in to play but oh well. I won't ever do that again as I feel like I paid extra to get the same service I would have gotten for the regular processing.

Caping to me means caped all the way out over the head all the way down past the nose and mouth so that all you have is hide and horn. Either I'm wrong, I misunderstood or I paid $ 10 for nothing.

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#2310364 - 02/16/11 06:25 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: B&C chaser]
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B&C you are correct. Your deer was not caped. Be sure you and the butcher are on the same page before you agree to pay extra for caping. Also, if youplan to have the head mounted, make sure he knows what he is doing. I know some taxidermists who charge extra to fix some butcher's mistake. Since tear ducts can't be completely fixed, often that gets blamed on the taxidermist when it was the person who caped it who screwed up.
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#2310382 - 02/16/11 06:34 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: B&C chaser]
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So if a processor charges me a caping fee and simply takes the hide off down to the top of the neck and then cuts the head off and puts it in a garbage bag for me to take to the taxidermist, then that's just "skinning" being called "caping"...?

Maybe in his mind, caping is simply "careful" skinning...lol.

So if he is charging 15 dollars to skin the deer and charges another 10 dollars to 'cape it out", then basically he is getting an extra ten dollars...? Maybe he does a tad bit more careful skinning down around the neck and head before he cuts the head off??//

I like this guy and would hate to think that he's purposely over charging.......I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and was hoping to get a better explanation of the charge from a processor that comes on here.....
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#2310387 - 02/16/11 06:36 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Thanks B@C and bowriter.
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#2310505 - 02/16/11 07:34 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
So if a processor charges me a caping fee and simply takes the hide off down to the top of the neck and then cuts the head off and puts it in a garbage bag for me to take to the taxidermist, then that's just "skinning" being called "caping"...?

Maybe in his mind, caping is simply "careful" skinning...lol.

So if he is charging 15 dollars to skin the deer and charges another 10 dollars to 'cape it out", then basically he is getting an extra ten dollars...? Maybe he does a tad bit more careful skinning down around the neck and head before he cuts the head off??//

I like this guy and would hate to think that he's purposely over charging.......I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and was hoping to get a better explanation of the charge from a processor that comes on here.....


BH,

Like I posted earlier, you can skin the neck or cape it.......when skinning you just run a cut down the front of the throat and peel, when caping (for mounting purposes) you do not make any cuts in the hide past the frt. shoulders (unless you know how and where to make the cut up the back of the neck to the horn bases)It is more time consuming to cape the neck because of this.
If you did not have the deer mounted and the guy caped the neck for you, then you paid him the extra money for nothing.

FDXX75

PS: Yes, there is more to the caping process beyond the base of the neck(entire head) but that is something that should be left to a professional or someone who has done them before. Usually the taxidermist will not do a complete head caping, just the neck.



Edited by FULLDRAWXX75 (02/16/11 07:35 AM)
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#2310513 - 02/16/11 07:41 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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On the processors.. All they do is basically Skin it out to as close to the base of the head.Unless they also do Taxidermy work Capeing one out is best done by your Taxidermist. Some prcessors pull the skin or hide off instead of cutting it off and or there skining method is much qiucker and will leave a skin unfit for mounting.

On the Gut or not or pay somebody esle..

Have done it all and couldn't tell a bit of difference in the taste.Had one processor prefer them brought in unfield dressed and he didn't charge extra for it unless that all one wanted done.While others have. I have also skinned out and 1/4 deer without field dressing or gutting in fact it is best to do that if one can unless they want the ribs.


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#2310540 - 02/16/11 08:01 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Tiny]
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BW is right on.

Make sure you are on the same page with your processor (or whoever is cutting on your deer).

If someone asks me to skin their deer, I would zip it as far down the neck as I could, peel the hide and throw it in the trash. 5-10 minutes

If someone asked me to "cape" their deer since they wanted it mounted, I would stop cutting at the ribcage and carefully peel the hide off like a sweater. Work my way as far up the neck as I could, and cut the head off. Fold the hide and roll it up, put in garbage bag for freezing or delivery. Whole time being very very careful not to put any holes in the hide from the ribs forward.
Time...30-40 minutes. (Im not that good at this)

IF a Taxidermist asked me to "cape" a deer I would say... "Nuh uh...you do it and I will watch." They are going to take it all off down to the nose. Never done that and don't know how.

SO... whoever you ask to "cape" your deer, make sure you both know what you are having done, how it will be done, and how much $.
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#2396188 - 05/18/11 11:40 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: bowriter]
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As a taxidermist, I can tell you what I prefer. In a perfect world, the deer would be gutted in the field, caped out by myself and THEN sent to the processor. Most taxidermists can do this in minutes. It's worth the extra stop on your way home from hunting.

The reason why is that I can assure the hide is taken right off the deer and frozen. I have received many where the hide wasn't taken care of by the processor (not frozen immediately is the common problem). This leads to hair slippage in the fleshing and tanning process. I've also taken in many capes that had been incorrectly caped and I end up doing a lot of sewing.

If you don't know how to cape out a deer, call your taxidermist. We're MORE than happy to show you how...because a correctly caped hide leads to a happy taxidermist and in the long run a fabulous mount that'll get done quicker.

That's just me.


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#2396247 - 05/18/11 12:32 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bobbie]
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I would never expect my taxidermist to come outside, hang my deer up and cape it out for me, especially in the cold and maybe even at night...AND, I would never drive 30 minutes there and 30 minutes back and THEN take my deer to the processor. Oh, and along the way have it checked in as well...

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#2396256 - 05/18/11 12:39 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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true dat, mine is 2hours away-but I understand

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#2396379 - 05/18/11 03:16 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Stovepipe]
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You would be surprised how many full time big operator guides and outfitters donot know how to properlycare for an animal that is going to be mounted. I have actyally seen them with a rope around their neck hung from a pole for two days before being caped out. And then they had the tear ducts cut and the lips screwed and this was buy a couple big-name outfitters.
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#2396547 - 05/18/11 07:12 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
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I have never seen it broken down into sections for processing..........

Skinning - $10
Quartering - $15
Cutting/wrapping - $30

Etc......................

It is usually a drop off your deer, specify mount or not and come back to pick up your processed meat(or someone elses meat)............pay one flat rate. I don't care much for processors. I have seen and know to many things to ever want to take one of mine to one.

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Here...or at least where I take deer, there is a separate charge for everything......

if you bring a whole deer in , you will be charged a fee for gutting and skin (about $25.00 total.). So, you are charged $25 before you even get to the processing part. , a standard processing fee of $40.00, plus a charge for beef or pork fat for ground meat,

So basically, without anything fancy, you will have $65.00 in a deer before you get to meat tenderizing, sausage, hamburger, or anything else. Sure you can gut it and skin it yourself, but on those COLD days, that's not the best option, imo...lol.

I have no idea about whether this is high for this type work and have gladly paid it years without complaining. My gripe was about "double paying" (imo)for the caping and skinning.



Dude, if you are paying someone to "gut" your deer............please.

First thing I am doing after squeezing the trigger is reaching for the knife to get the guts out of it and start the cooling process......................I have never in my life heard of someone paying to have their deer gutted.

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In South Carolina there would be 200 deer at a time in the floor waiting to be gutted. $10 fee for gut and hang in cooler.
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#2396552 - 05/18/11 07:16 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: FLIPPER]
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As far as caping vs skinning.

If I am mounting a deer, I skin the entire deer and that is what goes to the taxidermist. I cut from the bottom of the sternum to his butt, I make cuts around all 4 knees and the underside of the legs, then skin it up to the head and cut the head off. I have never just caped a deer.
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#2396583 - 05/18/11 07:50 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: FLIPPER]
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So... if you're going to do all the skinning, how do you expect the taxidermist to get the measurements on the deer? We always had them bring the deer in with neck cut high... with a measurement on the neck at base. Then you measure the deer.. usually tip of nose to eye on both sides. Then tip of horns to nose on both sides. Then your top of the neck. After you measure, you are ready to get the hide off the skull.

You need those measurements to order your form. You can get all of them after you tan the hide... an estimate but it's best to take the skinned deer to the taxidermist and let him cape it if you are unsure as to how to do it. Stick it in the freezer with the head attached and take him the entire thing. Just don't forget the neck measurement.

Capes are usually done 2 to 4 inches behind the shoulder... or should be to leave enough for what ever mount the customer decides on.
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#2396643 - 05/18/11 08:34 PM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: SilverFox]
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Yeah there are some circumstances where you can't go to the taxidermist to have them cape it out, but if you can...

Ditto on what Silver said. We like to measure the animals skull to determine what size of form to order. I take nose-eye and 3 neck measurements. Plus, caped animals usually lead to me having to do some sewing and doing some guess work on the form (which if I get it wrong, I gotta shave or build it up).

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#2396917 - 05/19/11 08:13 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bobbie]
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#2397824 - 05/20/11 08:03 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: TennBuck]
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i think that many times caping is confused skinning.

caping would be taking the skin all the way off the deer, including the head area.

No processors around here do anything more than take the hide off down to the neck close to the head.....around here they charge you for caping when in fact, they do not actually cape it.

That was my question to begin with. My processor charged to skin the deer down to the head, as he would normally do to process it anyway. he then threw in an additional charge to cape it, but he didn't really do anything extra other than skin it down to the head and give you the head and all of the hide to take to the taxidermist. I have never seen a processor around here actually CAPE a deer, just skin it down to the head, cut it off there and put it in a garbage bag. They never take the hide off the head around the eyes, nose etc. (which, to my knowledge, is what caping means).
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#2397857 - 05/20/11 08:54 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Yeah if I were you, I would just do it yourself from here on out. You're getting gouged.

I know you're right when it comes to processors "caping" deer. That only takes a few minutes and it always comes to us taxidermists short, holy or hot.

I have had a lot of problems getting capes from a processor around here that haven't been refrigerated let alone frozen. You HAVE to treat a skin/cape like a piece of steak...you can't just put it in a trash bag and throw it to the side.

SO HUNTERS-IF YOU DON'T SEE YOUR PROCESSOR PULL YOUR SKIN/CAPE OUT OF THE FRIDGE OR FREEZER, PLAN ON SEEING SOME HAIR SLIPPAGE WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM THE TAXIDERMIST.

We've stopped taking hides to be tanned from processors for this very reason. It sucks to find out the hide is loaded with bacteria after you've started fleshing it out. It's a lot of hard work for nothing.

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#2397920 - 05/20/11 09:57 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Am I missing something here? I've been deer hunting for 37 years and have skinned my share of deer. Many of those I skinned out to be mounted.

Is there a difference between the two that I don't know about?

Would there ever be a reason why a processor would charge you to cape a deer out and then charge you for skinning it as well?

just curious, thanks.


May have been answered. Caping is removing the skin from the head and neck for the purpose of having the head mounted. Skinning is just getting the skin off the body for butcerhing.

Yes, an additional price because almost twice as much time and work involved. Caution, though, not all butchers can properly cape a deer. Usually just better to have the deer skinned down the neck toward the ears and then just cut the head off and let the taxidermist do the actual caping.
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#2397930 - 05/20/11 10:04 AM Re: Caping vs skinning question. [Re: bowriter]
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Am I missing something here? I've been deer hunting for 37 years and have skinned my share of deer. Many of those I skinned out to be mounted.

Is there a difference between the two that I don't know about?

Would there ever be a reason why a processor would charge you to cape a deer out and then charge you for skinning it as well?

just curious, thanks.


May have been answered. Caping is removing the skin from the head and neck for the purpose of having the head mounted. Skinning is just getting the skin off the body for butcerhing.

Yes, an additional price because almost twice as much time and work involved. Caution, though, not all butchers can properly cape a deer. Usually just better to have the deer skinned down the neck toward the ears and then just cut the head off and let the taxidermist do the actual caping.


no actual caping being done, no hide removal on the head at all...
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