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#216584 - 04/18/07 05:07 PM TWRC meeting
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i have to say i'm glad i went to see our system at work once again. we can be proud to have a sounding board for deer hunters that listens to our input. now it's up to the TWRA to see that our current checkin system improves. PMC & Fishboy put a lot of time and effort in their presentations. the talk that Troy gave particularly hit home with me !! i think we might have opened some eyes and should see some positive improvments in checkin regs & followthru on BIOLOGICAL data as well(we shall see).....DJ, @ the break i overheard two guys saying" i don't know who that 1 guy was that got up and talked,but he looked like he could do without a couple of hamburgers " \:\)
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#216643 - 04/18/07 07:07 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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Ahh it was a great meeting. Crooksight I am sorry you got out of there before I could talk with you again. Bottom line was a very informative meeting. The agency did NOT recommend telecheck \:o but did offer up wording to allow us 36 hrs to check in a deer and you only had to keep evidence of sex to show to a Wildlife officer or designated agency personnel (not stop & rob attendant's)

That is a big deal. It does alleviate some of the problem. Com. Kimsey did talk like he wanted further study going toward what would happen when the ALS contract expired on 2009.

Glad to see everybody that got to make it. Next on the Horizon.....


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#216883 - 04/18/07 09:26 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: PMC, certified]
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The system does work!

While some of us were on different sides of the issue I can say that I am proud to know all of you guys that showed up for the meeting. PMC, fishboy, hunthard, fordman, crooksite, BSK and Rldel. The only way to ever get anything done is for us hunters to go to the TWRC meetings and express our concerns.

While you guys didn't get TeleCheck you did show the Commission and the Agency that there are problems with some checking stations that need to be addressed. That was a major accomplishment. Had you never started the TeleCheck controversy there would have been little change. Gentlemen, a few hunters making a little noise can make a big difference in this State.

And PMC, I had a counter for everything you brought up ----except the data you presented where you called the checking stations. That was some very good research. You caught me off guard with that one. Good Job! You need to e-mail BGG with the ones that you found were no longer check stations so they can take them off the list.

I am thinking very seriously about creating a check-in problem page for deer season that will e-mail any problems to the right people.


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#216940 - 04/18/07 09:57 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: David J]
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PMC, that 36 hour concession is huge. It's not telecheck but it's a lot better than what we had. Now I just have to figure out how to store deer peckers for 36 hours. \:D

David, that checking-in problem page is an excellent idea. I am sure it will shed some light on some real issues over the course of a season.
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#216979 - 04/18/07 10:20 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: Kirk]
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i pretty much agree DJ. PMC and others poured out a lot of MAJOR time & effort for this cause to affect change. we can see how a large group of tn.hunters can make it happen. realalisticly we all know change does not happen over night. however when we fight amongst ourselves with name calling put downs like sanctimonious,and patronizing remarks like-you just fail to understand,i told you so and the like -is conterproductive. i like your idea of a forum to report checking station short comings and more. ...the fact that many of the check stations that were listed to be operational, were in fact not! some agency faces turned red on that one. bottom line tndeer.com is a in my view the pulse & heartbeat of the tn. deer hunter. i'm just an old fart thats past his prime, but it's good to see a few young bucks that aren't afraid of standing up to affect positive change. hats off guys
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#217318 - 04/19/07 02:43 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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Appreciate all you fellars time on this. Hate I couldn't make it to the meeting.

So can we butcher the animals in the field or what?

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#217420 - 04/19/07 06:13 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: Game Eye]
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IF the proposed rule change is approved, You would be allowed to tag your deer, butcher it in the field and get it on ice, and check the deer within 36 hrs. Proof of sex would need to retained until after the deer is checked in.

Im still a little confused on the wording but the way I understand it, check stations are NOT required to view your game in order to check it in. You would need to keep the proof of sex in case a game warden checked you prior to your checking the deer in.
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#217421 - 04/19/07 06:16 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: fishboy1]
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I DO have one question about a proposed rule change for turkey hunting. When they proposed that 20ga and smaller be allowed with #4 shot, it looked like the way it was worded that this rule change meant that ONLY #4 shot would be legal for turkey.

Anybody have more information on that?
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#217460 - 04/19/07 07:24 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: fishboy1]
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Game Eye - If I understand correctly you could butcher them in the field. But I am sure we will get clarification from the agency.

Fishboy - I was confused by the wording too.

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#217463 - 04/19/07 07:26 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: PMC, certified]
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This is great news. Thanks to everyone that helped get this done. This is/was something that was needed for all serious hunters.
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#217466 - 04/19/07 07:33 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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While you guys didn't get TeleCheck you did show the Commission and the Agency that there are problems with some checking stations that need to be addressed. That was a major accomplishment. Had you never started the TeleCheck controversy there would have been little change. Gentlemen, a few hunters making a little noise can make a big difference in this State.

I completely agree.

And concerning "proof of sex," you can butcher the deer, but as long as you have the head and complete hide, that is good enough.
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#217471 - 04/19/07 07:40 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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Just for clarification I asked if the head and hide were proof of sex and we were told you had to keep everything left over from the processing until the animal was checked in.

I was wondering the same thing about the turkey regulations. The way I read it is that #4 is what you have to use. I am very leery of using a .410 for turkey hunting.
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#217476 - 04/19/07 07:58 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: David J]
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Yeah and my gun doesnt pattern #4 worth a hoot. It likes #6 and at 25 yards I can put the entire pattern inside a coffee can. I would much rather put 90% of the #6 pellets in the head/neck/kill zone than to hit a turkey with 2 #4 pellets.
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#217496 - 04/19/07 08:36 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: fishboy1]
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from what i recall about the proposed turkey shot requirements was # 4 a minimum. don't understand why the twra would propose a change to include 410 shotguns LEGAL for turkey. that defies logic just so there will be less felt recoil for the young hunter , thats whackey !
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#217555 - 04/19/07 09:45 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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Crooksight

I think it is the new wave in the agency to make it easier for juveniles to hunt. It is all because of that whacky Region I manager we have to watch him like a hawk. \:\)
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#217559 - 04/19/07 10:00 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: David J]
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There were a couple of other major changes that hunters should be aware of.
Oak Ridge will drop the antler restriction and go to a 2 deer limit from a 3 deer limit. TWRA stated they were against dropping it but the DOE wants more deer killed on Oak Ridge and is forcing the issue. The Agency is trying to get it reinstated but it doesn't look good.

Oak Ridge is a perfect example where we hunters dropped the ball. We had a chance to have something real special at Oak Ridge. We didn't kill enough does. We have only ourselves to blame for this one.

There are a lot of changes for South Cherokee, to be honest I'm not sure I understand them well enough to discuss them. Maybe BGG can post one of those charts.

If you ever want to see how to get something done at a commission meeting you need to watch the Dog/bear people. They were there in force. There was one minor item that they didn't like and from what I understand there will be a meeting in Sweetwater with all of them and the TWRA to iron out their differences before the next Commission meeting. Gentlemen that is power - there is less than a 1,000 of them statewide but they show up in force with a common agenda.
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#217574 - 04/19/07 10:25 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I DO have one question about a proposed rule change for turkey hunting. When they proposed that 20ga and smaller be allowed with #4 shot, it looked like the way it was worded that this rule change meant that ONLY #4 shot would be legal for turkey.

Anybody have more information on that?


Actually, the wording is "...#4 or smaller shot.."
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#217659 - 04/19/07 12:24 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: AlanP]
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I am happy with the 36 hr. allowance . I addresses my main concern , and that is closed checking stations . Sounds like you guys had a informative and productive meeting . My hat's off to the guys that took time off to attend the meeting . Thank you for representing the concerns of hunters on both sides of the issue of telecheck .
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#217988 - 04/19/07 08:29 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: Radar]
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I was pleased to hear Overton and Jackson counties would be moving to Unit B. I guess those fruit baskets to the commissioners did work.

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#217992 - 04/19/07 08:31 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: PMC, certified]
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PMC huh?
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#218152 - 04/19/07 10:23 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: David J]
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 Originally Posted By: David J
And PMC, I had a counter for everything you brought up ----except the data you presented where you called the checking stations. That was some very good research. You caught me off guard with that one. Good Job! You need to e-mail BGG with the ones that you found were no longer check stations so they can take them off the list.


Don't worry David, I was going to shoot holes through that as well... ;\)

Seriously, I have a feeling PMC used the old check station list when he called the check stations. As of March 31st (turkey opener) the check station list on the TWRA website had been directly linked to our main database. That means if a check station closes (and we are notified), it is reflected on the website instatntaneously. Also, prior to the meeting, I used the last issue of our Big Game Check Station Guide (2004) and had one of our employees go through the entire list and highlight all the check stations that closed at 6:00 pm or earlier. It was only 15% not 25%. Regardless of the number, I felt 15% was even too much.

Anyhow, I think the new 36-hour rule will alleviate the vast majority of complaints. I also like the check station problem idea on the web.

All-in-all PMC you did a great job and I really appreciate you sending your fact sheet in advance. I really think we'll see some positive changes to the system that will make checking in big game much easier.


Edited by BigGameGuy (04/19/07 10:24 PM)
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#218155 - 04/19/07 10:32 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: SAWDUST]
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I heard our leader has faith in KY's data and compared us to them again, during the meeting!
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#218260 - 04/20/07 07:52 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: PMC, certified]
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 Originally Posted By: PMC
I was pleased to hear Overton and Jackson counties would be moving to Unit B. I guess those fruit baskets to the commissioners did work.

Pmc


And don't forget Stewart County was moved in there as well. I am not even going to tell how much that move cost BSK and I.
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#218267 - 04/20/07 08:00 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: David J]
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BGG,

It only took you guys a year get the check stations online and sortable. \:\)

Now, add the GPS coordinates, a map link, phone numbers, check station ID and hours of operation if you want to make it useable.

I'll have the check station report up and running by the first of deer season And I will make sure that it e-mails you and Tabatha everytime somebody complains. With just a little more effort we could have it e-mail the Region Biologists also.

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#218274 - 04/20/07 08:11 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: David J]
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Winchester,

Had you been there you would have heard the whole story. Kentucky's age data was mentioned (once very breifly) but it was prefaced with a cavet and was an answer to a direct question from a Commissioner about Kentucky.
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#218293 - 04/20/07 08:40 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
 Originally Posted By: David J
And PMC, I had a counter for everything you brought up ----except the data you presented where you called the checking stations. That was some very good research. You caught me off guard with that one. Good Job! You need to e-mail BGG with the ones that you found were no longer check stations so they can take them off the list.


Don't worry David, I was going to shoot holes through that as well... ;\)

Seriously, I have a feeling PMC used the old check station list when he called the check stations. As of March 31st (turkey opener) the check station list on the TWRA website had been directly linked to our main database. That means if a check station closes (and we are notified), it is reflected on the website instatntaneously. Also, prior to the meeting, I used the last issue of our Big Game Check Station Guide (2004) and had one of our employees go through the entire list and highlight all the check stations that closed at 6:00 pm or earlier. It was only 15% not 25%. Regardless of the number, I felt 15% was even too much.

Anyhow, I think the new 36-hour rule will alleviate the vast majority of complaints. I also like the check station problem idea on the web.

All-in-all PMC you did a great job and I really appreciate you sending your fact sheet in advance. I really think we'll see some positive changes to the system that will make checking in big game much easier.


Did you highlight all of the check stations that close early on Sunday afternoons too ? Your percentage will go up , because more check stations close early on Sundays than they do during the week . You might want to highlight those that close at 7:00 pm also , because in early bow season it's tough to get a deer out of the woods and to the checking station in time .


Edited by Radar (04/20/07 08:42 AM)
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#218300 - 04/20/07 08:52 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: Radar]
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Radar, that is where Fordman enlightened the commisioners to that problem ! got that point across very well !!!
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#218307 - 04/20/07 09:05 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: Radar]
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I did my survey March 18 - March 20 with the Check station guide as published for 2006 (PDF Version downloaded from TWRA Website)

I first had a random number generator assign a number to each station. Then I ordered the list from smallest number to largest. I then began calling the number listed and asked the following questions.

#1 Are you a big game check station?
If they answered yes I then asked the following questions

#2 What hours are you open during the week?
#3 What Hours are you open on the Saturday and Sunday?
#4 Are you open Holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas & New Years Day?

Of the 166 I called (between the hours of 10 - noon & 2pm to 4pm
45 Did not answer the phone so I did not include them.
13 (8%) were a disconnected or not in service.

Of the remaining 121
6% answered NO to Question 1
25% answered question #2 with 6pm or earlier (some as early as 3 pm)
23% were closed on Sunday
19% Close before 6 pm on Sunday
39% were closed at least some Holidays. ( the most common being Christmas, followed by Thanksgiving and New years)

I am glad the commissioner passed along the information we sent them. Which card did you like best? Fishboy's was good because of the goofy look on his face \:D


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#218468 - 04/20/07 03:42 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: PMC, certified]
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This is the list I used.
http://www.state.tn.us/twra/agentsbycounty.pdf

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#218529 - 04/20/07 06:16 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: PMC, certified]
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I just got back and am getting caught up. Great job to all and I am very happy with the outcome.
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#218781 - 04/21/07 03:46 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: David J]
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 Originally Posted By: David J
The system does work!

While some of us were on different sides of the issue I can say that I am proud to know all of you guys that showed up for the meeting. PMC, fishboy, hunthard, fordman, crooksite, BSK and Rldel. The only way to ever get anything done is for us hunters to go to the TWRC meetings and express our concerns.


Here, here... I might not (or might) agree wtih what you say, but will fight for your right to say it!
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#1242277 - 03/16/09 10:55 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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Yep!
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#1242661 - 03/17/09 08:50 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Dalton Ballentine
lets get this right , we have the same regs basically in place as before? I give up.


Look at the date from previous posters. Give up? What have you done to change anything?

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#1242666 - 03/17/09 08:51 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
HA, nothing changes, ever...


HHHMMM! More negativity towards our state agency. I thought the mods were going to stop constant bashing towards the state agency?

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#1242777 - 03/17/09 10:15 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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Sounds like it was a good meeting guys!!

Couple questions ,.. will you be allowed to butcher in the feild on the weekends TWRA are collecting data? Seems we would be losing some data on weights verses age if that was allowed!! AND,.. whats up with moving counties back to unit B such as overton,jackson,stewart? What data was presented to cause this change?

David J,.. haven't seen you around in awhile, hope you and yours are doing well.
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#1242786 - 03/17/09 10:24 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
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Sounds like it was a good meeting guys!!

Couple questions ,.. will you be allowed to butcher in the feild on the weekends TWRA are collecting data? Seems we would be losing some data on weights verses age if that was allowed!! AND,.. whats up with moving counties back to unit B such as overton,jackson,stewart? What data was presented to cause this change?

David J,.. haven't seen you around in awhile, hope you and yours are doing well.


It sounds almost just like the meeting in 4/07 don't it?!....Oh wait a minute...it was!!! \:D ....look at the original post date \:D \:D ...


Yes it did ,.. thought they brought it back up this year!! I've got to pay attention to the smaller details don't i!!

Either way,.. have not seen david j post in awhile. I still hope everything is well with him.
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#1245530 - 03/18/09 06:08 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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why was jackson county moved to B?
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#1247307 - 03/19/09 10:40 AM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Rabid Salamander
Yep!



Curious why someone would reply to a post that was started almost 2 years ago? LOL
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#1247971 - 03/19/09 04:56 PM Re: TWRC meeting [Re: backstraps]
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hahahaha.............duh!
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