I didn't say they didn't have a right to do it. I said it drives me crazy (cause I know several of them, and they all suck at hunting).

Just hate looking into a dumpster seeing yearling buck heads everywhere.

sounds like they were succesful to me,just because they dont have your standards doesnt mean they suck,it is an individual sport as far as standards and success, some just go through the phases of a killer to a manager faster than others,im still in the middle i hunt for big deer and does but will shoot a young buck according to cirumstance

No, trust me. I suck.

Granted, its their right to be rednecks if they want.

But as far as being hunters go, they are terrible. I kill bucks every year bigger than the biggest buck they have ever killed, and I'm nothing special.

One of the guys literally smokes on the stand... and I swear he complains more about not seeing deer than anyone I know.

I have killed small, non-mature bucks too... but I just don't understand the shoot everything that moves mentality that some people have.

is it really about whos is biggest?

They do it just to say they killed a buck. Its pitiful I agree. Cant just shoot a doe because then they cant say " I got a buck". The general public in many areas thinks killing a doe is horrible but killing a 4 point is somehow an accomplishment so thats why they do this. Even though killing a 1.5 year old buck is just as easy as taking a fawn the general public just doesnt realize this. Ive heard it many times this year already, everybody asks me what Ive killed, Ill say 2 does, and they just sort of get this bad look and proceed to tell me about the awesome 4 point that their nephews brothers 1st cousin killed like he is some sort of great hunter LOL

To each their own as long as it is legal.

Easiest deer in the woods to kill is by far the young buck. They just roam around aimlessly all the time and any hunter thats spent any time in the woods knows it. I just dont get the pass on a doe, smoke a forkhorn and throw it in the garbage mentality i guess. And im a redneck. lol

I have taken some spikes and 3 pointers in my time,,but I cut the racks off and are on a post in Daddy`s barn,,

Makes me mad as well. I can't stand to hear people say "I've killed 2 bucks this year already" and the total score on the 2 deer are around 30"! Yes I've shot a knot head in my life and I've killed a spike or two when I was between 8-10 yrs old but if you've hunted for a while, in my book there's no excuse. Let them grow to max potential and it will make hunting that much more exciting when you watch a deer for 3+ yrs to finally get your opportunity to harvest that beast. Just my two cents...

docpoco Have you ever shoot and a spike or a young buck ever???

Maybe everybody isn't after antlers!! Did that ever cross your "redneck" mind?? Since you say you are a redneck..Alot of people don't get to hunt alot,and some do..So those ones that don't get to hunt much,are gonna shoot the first legal deer to fill their tag..People like you burn me up.Trying to dictate what everyone else "should" kill..I say mind your own business and stop trying to put other people down for shooting what they want..Its their tag,not yours!

some people need the meat in the hard times of the world with no jobs or money. I have no problem of anyone feeding their family with any deer that is legal. You can eat the RACK no matter how long you cook it. I guess some people are just better off then some.

Maybe everybody isn't after antlers!! Did that ever cross your "redneck" mind?? Since you say you are a redneck..Alot of people don't get to hunt alot,and some do..So those ones that don't get to hunt much,are gonna shoot the first legal deer to fill their tag..People like you burn me up.Trying to dictate what everyone else "should" kill..I say mind your own business and stop trying to put other people down for shooting what they want..Its their tag,not yours!

They do it just to say they killed a buck. Its pitiful I agree. Cant just shoot a doe because then they cant say " I got a buck". The general public in many areas thinks killing a doe is horrible but killing a 4 point is somehow an accomplishment so thats why they do this. Even though killing a 1.5 year old buck is just as easy as taking a fawn the general public just doesnt realize this. Ive heard it many times this year already, everybody asks me what Ive killed, Ill say 2 does, and they just sort of get this bad look and proceed to tell me about the awesome 4 point that their nephews brothers 1st cousin killed like he is some sort of great hunter LOL

My sentiments exactly Cecil....maybe not as stearn, but feel the same way.

Mine as well Cecil!

Hey poco....take your opinion and a couple dollars to Starbucks and get you a latte....tell them your problems,and see if they care.

Heck yea, let's just ban the killing of bucks altogether, unless of course it's a min 140 class with 5 pts on one side, that way only real hunters will be able to harvest a buck....yea, that's the ticket. These threads really do give me a sick feeling, and I can't think of another topic that makes me feel this way regarding all the posts I see here on this site. It's deer hunting......different strokes for different folks, and just b/c some of those folks don't agree with some certain type of management philosophy doesn't make them any less of a deer hunter...maybe less of a trophy hunter in some eyes, but certainly not less of a deer hunter. Rant on.

But if all you want to do is get some meat - kill a doe! There are a lot more of them!

That is just a general blanket statement, you don't know what other folks situations are do you...cause thats not what I am experianceing. In the last several years I am generaly seeing 4 or 5 bucks for every doe where I am hunting.

Well I will say this, your allowed your opinion...My first thought was to tell you to go ***k yourself and your opinion. But I want to explain myself. I was raised on a farm, we raised a few beef and hogs. I was taught to hunt, and what we killed was eaten by the family, small game or big game whatever was in season. I am now in my 40's and still have that mentality. I still raise a few head of cattle. I have a wife and 3 boys. My boys and myself put meat in the freezer, small game or big game whatever is in season. My wife is glad to cook what is harvested. We live off what we kill, I have hunted since I was old enough to carry a rifle. In my neck of the woods, I dont have the liberty to take 4 does a day. I usually shoot the first deer I see, unless I can tell its a yearling or a button buck. I have made a mistake and taken small deer, yes I have a 6 pointer on my wall, along with a 10 pointer. I have quite a few trophy's on my wall, hogs, a 4x5 elk, a big horn sheep. So I do see it your way about having "trophy's" In your opinion I suck at hunting ...maybe, and maybe Im a redneck (I guess I am) But your belittling me as a hunter because I "deer hunt" is absolutely ludicrous.

I'm inclined to offer praise to my neighbor when he shoots a doe.

I'm more inclined to look at the ground and shake my head when he kills a 4pointer.

Especially when he tells me they hunt for meat and let 5 does pass that morning.

That is just a general blanket statement, you don't know what other folks situations are do you...cause thats not what I am experianceing. In the last several years I am generaly seeing 4 or 5 bucks for every doe where I am hunting.

Does it really matter if we keep the racks or not. I've always hunted for the sport and making memories with family members. I personally don't care about keeping antlers or mounting heads. I've got one in my son's room (young 8 that scored 110) and another that I didn't have the money, so my uncle footed the bill (8 pt that scored 144). I let him keep the mount and since he's passed away I have no idea where it is. I'm just don't get the obsession with hunting racks and not deer. I know it is tougher to shoot older, more mature bucks, but don't get depressed or upset if someone is happy with a spike.

think I'd quit looking in the dumpster

kinda like finding a condom in your daughters purse
well get your eyes outta there

Just like last year, and the year before, I saw no does the first days of the hunting season, and I shot a little 7pt, each year. It was the only deer I took each year too. Later on in the season I saw a total of 7 does with 4-5 little ones and they all walked, b/c I don't have the luxury of taking does in late season in Unit A, not even a doe tag available in my county.

Did you toss the horns in the trash?

I think some people worry too much about other people. Threads like this almost make me want to go slay a couple fork horns and post the pics. I'm not trying to be ugly, but get over yourself and quite worrying about what everyone else is shooting and try to ENJOY hunting for what it is. If those little spikes made them happy or if telling their buddy's " I killed 3 bucks this year" makes them feel good and gives them a since of accomplishment then so be it. The regs are set up for the betterment of the deer herd and there are veeeery few hunters that will even kill 3/yr. Heck, probably 80% (my guess) of the hunters out there pass on those little ones and takes fewer and bigger bucks nowadays anyhow. So what does it matter if a few guys don't want to spend 1000 hours on stand and 1000000 hours during the summer obsessing about the size and age of the deer he wants to shoot, and just goes out and shoots whatever he sees (providing it's legal, of course)? If that's makes them happy then I say mission accomplished.

[quote=docpoco][quote=MUP]Just like last year, and
Absolutely not, I had them mounted.

I don't understand you getting a "sick feeling". I don't think you are reading my post carefully. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. In fact, I'm not even advocating NOT killing young bucks. If thats what you want to do, then go for it.

But if all you want to do is get some meat - kill a doe! There are a lot more of them! In the area I hunt, we estimate the buck to doe ratio at 1:6.

And no, they might not be a bonehunter, but I guarantee you they would be thrilled and telling everyone they knew if they killed a big buck.

Its a "shoot anything that moves" mentality that I'm talking about, and again.... while I was checking that doe this guy comes in beaming with the forkhorn that he killed. He had them cut the horns off and was 9 kinds of proud of it. GO for it dude!

There are just significantly fewer bucks in this area than does, and it DOES make me a little sad to see a bunch of decapitated yearling buck heads in the dumpster. My thoughts are, show some [censored] restraint. If you want meat, kill a doe! There are too many does here.

If you are honestly trying to tell me that you think you're buck to doe ratio is 4:1 or 5:1, I would say that that sounds like a terrible job of herd management, or you are just in a very good spot.

I have a couple of spots where I only ever see bucks too. Its a very narrow strip of woods leading from a thicket. Not once have I ever seen a doe come from them.

the day somebody else's deer makes me mad is the day i take up golf. they are ALL made of venison and you can't eat the heads.

and as far as smoking on stand, i had to put out a smoke to shoot yesterday and all them deer this morning came in while i was smoking.

the day somebody else's deer makes me mad is the day i take up golf. they are ALL made of venison and you can't eat the heads.

and as far as smoking on stand, i had to put out a smoke to shoot yesterday and all them deer this morning came in while i was smoking.

Well said...


Gents and Gals a couple of these posts are borderline flaming...I have not deleted anything yet.. A debate or an argument is fine, just keep it between the white lines of the TnDeer rules please.

they have a 6 point mounted above the fireplace that my 3 year old would have let walk.

I have this 6 point mounted on my wall that I am #?*! proud of! Best deer I've killed in 9 years of hunting. Sorry it offends you and your 3 year old!

I have this 6 point mounted on my wall that I am #?*! proud of! Best deer I've killed in 9 years of hunting. Sorry it offends you and your 3 year old!

I have seen something like 40 or 50 does this year. When I got ready for meat, I killed one of them that walked by right after a 1.5 YO 5 point that has some impressive length.

Deer herds are different in every county and region of the state.

Easiest deer in the woods to kill is by far the young buck. They just roam around aimlessly all the time and any hunter thats spent any time in the woods knows it. I just dont get the pass on a doe, smoke a forkhorn and throw it in the garbage mentality i guess. And im a redneck. lol

We as hunters arguing over the size, shape and gender of the deer we harvest can do more damage to the ethos of hunters and hunting in the minds of impressionable youngsters and the general public than any poacher ever will.

some people need the meat in the hard times of the world with no jobs or money. I have no problem of anyone feeding their family with any deer that is legal. You can eat the RACK no matter how long you cook it. I guess some people are just better off then some.

if someone really "needs" the meat, then they "need" to process the deer themselves, not pay a processor sixty bucks. wild game is delicious, but for me, very expensive!!

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another reason to go to a 1-2 buck limit.... you got to grow up as a hunter and challenge yourself

The sick feeling is in relation to the title of this thread mostly. It wreaks of discord within the ranks of hunters, that it would bother you so much as to post as you did. Nothing personal to you docpoco, but this kind of bickering and downing of other hunters legal hunting techniques and successes will be more ammo for the non-hunter PETA types to further regulate and strangle the freedom we now enjoy, imo.

WHY shoot a buck if you don't even care enough about it to keep the horns.then you walk into their house and they have a 6 point mounted above the fireplace that my 3 year old would have let walk.

Rant over. I'll hang up and listen. LOL

some people need the meat in the hard times of the world with no jobs or money. I have no problem of anyone feeding their family with any deer that is legal. You can eat the RACK no matter how long you cook it. I guess some people are just better off then some.

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If you're serious about being the next Milo Hansen, don't even think about shooting a buck unless it's going to be the biggest buck on your wall.

There is absolutely no reason to shoot a buck that isn't the largest you've taken if you are the mature buck hunter you say you are.

I didn't say they didn't have a right to do it. I said it drives me crazy (cause I know several of them, and they all suck at hunting).

Just hate looking into a dumpster seeing yearling buck heads everywhere.

First off, Milo is one of the luckiest hunters that has ever crapped between two legs. Other than "the" buck, I don't think he was known to be much of a trophy hunter. Just read a few articles about the man.



This could be the most uneducated statement I've ever seen made by a deer hunter about killing mature bucks. My smallest mount to date is a 6 1/2 yr old buck. I don't care what kind of rack he has, that age deer is a trophy any hunter should be proud of.

Idk any hunters who dont consider any deer they are able to harvest a trophy.

I don't. Why would I consider a doe or small buck a trophy? I could kill one everyday if I so desired. Kind of diminishes their trophy status to me.

I don't. Why would I consider a doe or small buck a trophy? I could kill one everyday if I so desired. Kind of diminishes their trophy status to me.

yep,and to ME they are all meat trophys, it is all something different to every one to each his own but dont put down another hunter for killing what he has legal right to do.

Please, show me where I have done so.

I'll probably kill whatever I want to. Just thought I would clear that up for myself with the FORKHORN POLICE.

That made my day. Well, at least it made me laugh. Thanks MainStreet.

I would just like to say this, and I honestly didn't expect such a negative response from this board.

I have no problem with killing young bucks. Like I said, the guy checking in the 4 point was thrilled! I talked to him about it and he described the hunt to me. It was fun to listen to him get excited. I genuinely never thought twice about it.

It was just the fact of seeing piles of baby buck heads in the dumpster that made me a little uneasy. This dumpster is right next to the bay door and wide open, so no one was "dumpster diving" for those trying to make a cute little comment.

Part of the mentality I have I suppose comes from hunting in Arkansas for years, where you can't kill a spike or a forkhorn unless you are a Juvy.

I suppose for me, my thinking is if you don't care enough that its a buck to even keep the horns, why not shoot a doe? I believe the answer to that is a lot of hunters are trigger happy and kill everything they see.

Is that their right (for now)? Sure.

But don't try to convince me that there are that many hunters out there who wouldn't love to kill a big buck. And if thats the case, I don't see the big problem with advocating not killing baby bucks.

If you let them grow they will get bigger but...they may have not seen anything and needed the meat.