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How many of you would join a club that had the following rules:
Doe state limit
1 buck limit.
4 on one side
spread must be outside the ears.
900 acrs
12 people @ $425/person
We have been building a lease for 2 years and finally are seeing some young good 6's and 8's that are only 2 yrs old. Our current rules are 1st buck 3 points on one side, next bucks must have 4 points on one side up to state limit. What are your thoughts?
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#2116212 - 10/17/10 08:11 PM
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I would join depending on what county it was in. But if it was pretty close to the house I would be in.
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#2116218 - 10/17/10 08:13 PM
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#2116222 - 10/17/10 08:15 PM
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#2116228 - 10/17/10 08:17 PM
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antler restrictions no
1 buck no
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#2116229 - 10/17/10 08:17 PM
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nope that is high just keep your same rules and up the 2nd and 3rd buck. That is just to high in my opinion.
Also for 425 and having to deal with 11 other people it better hold some huge bucks.
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#2116238 - 10/17/10 08:20 PM
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The only rule I would have a problem with is the one about it being outside the ears.
I know why width restrictions are put in place, but I also know that I have a buck that scored 128 that is only 12 1/2" wide inside.
Other than that, I personally wouldn't have a problem with it.
Just a tad on the crowded side as far as member numbers go though.
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#2116261 - 10/17/10 08:27 PM
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I agree the outside the ears seems a bit extreme for the money
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#2116387 - 10/17/10 09:04 PM
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I could live with it, but I wouldn't like the outside the ears. I understand the goal is to kill older age class of deer...and this might be the most practical manner to control that. But, I have seen some older bucks with spread inside the ears. Overall, acceptable rules.
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#2116406 - 10/17/10 09:11 PM
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i dont like clubs, been in them most of my life.
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#2116420 - 10/17/10 09:17 PM
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Too many people for that price on too small a tract of land for that many folks. Love the rules, just not the number of people. The best leases and the best outcomes come from 4 people per 1000 acres in my experience.
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#2116425 - 10/17/10 09:18 PM
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I could deal with all but the one buck rule, I understand that by having that rule it would make the members more choosy which in turn will let the younger deer get a pass but 425 dollars for one buck sounds kinda steep, not that I kill more than one doodern in a year but I don't care for the restriction.
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#2116548 - 10/17/10 10:26 PM
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#2116549 - 10/17/10 10:27 PM
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Too many people. No way. No problem with the rules but 12/900 is just too many hunters.
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#2116578 - 10/17/10 10:56 PM
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How many of you would join a club that had the following rules:
Doe state limit
1 buck limit.
4 on one side
spread must be outside the ears.
900 acrs
12 people @ $425/person
We have been building a lease for 2 years and finally are seeing some young good 6's and 8's that are only 2 yrs old. Our current rules are 1st buck 3 points on one side, next bucks must have 4 points on one side up to state limit. What are your thoughts?
at Chaney we are 3 points on one side not counting the brow tine
this seems to work well for the overall mix of type hunters we have
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#2116601 - 10/17/10 11:23 PM
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The only rule I would have a problem with is the one about it being outside the ears.
I know why width restrictions are put in place, but I also know that I have a buck that scored 128 that is only 12 1/2" wide inside.
Other than that, I personally wouldn't have a problem with it.
Just a tad on the crowded side as far as member numbers go though.
Yep I couldn't go for the spread part as I to killed a good narrow buck. He scored 138" gross and had only a 13 inch inside spread...
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#2116603 - 10/17/10 11:26 PM
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How many of you would join a club that had the following rules:
Doe state limit
1 buck limit.
4 on one side
spread must be outside the ears.
900 acrs
12 people @ $425/person
We have been building a lease for 2 years and finally are seeing some young good 6's and 8's that are only 2 yrs old. Our current rules are 1st buck 3 points on one side, next bucks must have 4 points on one side up to state limit. What are your thoughts?
Which is it, 1 buck limit or 3 as per state limit?
Where is the lease?
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#2116790 - 10/18/10 06:42 AM
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#2116905 - 10/18/10 07:48 AM
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seems ok to me
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#2116906 - 10/18/10 07:49 AM
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I don't like antler restrictions, especially point counts.
It isn't that hard to tell the difference between a yearling buck and a 2 1/2 year-old buck.
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#2117044 - 10/18/10 08:59 AM
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i have a hard time paying to hunt anywhere that just me
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#2117068 - 10/18/10 09:08 AM
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I wouldn't join that lease, 1 buck limit, antler restriction and too many people on 900 acres are the main reasons why I wouldn't be part of it, no matter what county it is in
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#2117070 - 10/18/10 09:08 AM
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i have a hard time paying to hunt anywhere that just me
I do too,...Fortunately I've never had to...
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#2117093 - 10/18/10 09:17 AM
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Sounds OK to me if your into that sort of thing. Meaning you would be happy with killing one nice buck and calling it a season. I like the 3 buck state limits.
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#2117102 - 10/18/10 09:19 AM
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too many good narrow bucks running around to have the spread regs. and with that many hunters the 1 buck limit is good to have.
i know the area you are in b/c i think we talked before about it on the phone and i am on a lease not too far from you. it is a great area and should produce some great bucks for you guys!
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#2117117 - 10/18/10 09:25 AM
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What is a good Acre per Hunter number?
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#2117125 - 10/18/10 09:32 AM
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#2117182 - 10/18/10 09:59 AM
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Coming from PA I saw the reward of antler restrictions, so i am a big fan! I think 3 buck limit is too high and we are killing too many young ones. If it is a good piece of property I think it is good
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#2117186 - 10/18/10 10:00 AM
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What is a good Acre per Hunter number?
A rule of thumb that a lot of clubs use is 1 hunter per 100 acres. It all depends on the land cover, land use and the layout of the property.
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#2117432 - 10/18/10 12:09 PM
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the lease that i have been on for the past 5 years have fairly tight restrictions like that too.
its 1200 acres
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at least 8pt out past their ears
some mentioned that they have seen very nice deer with a narrow inside spread.....if its a nice mature 8pt with good mass, but hes jus a basket rack, our guys would not get tore up over, but were in the hatchie bottom, and i have yet to see a basket rack in 5yrs of hunting there
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#2117452 - 10/18/10 12:19 PM
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12 people for 900 acres is the thing I don't like about it. usually you want atleast a 100 acres per person.
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#2117455 - 10/18/10 12:21 PM
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way to many people for me.
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#2117574 - 10/18/10 01:33 PM
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another plus to having tight restrictions on bucks is that in a few years you can really begin to tell a difference in the quality of the bucks that are seen. altough it is frustrating for the first couple years
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#2117686 - 10/18/10 03:59 PM
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another plus to having tight restrictions on bucks is that in a few years you can really begin to tell a difference in the quality of the bucks that are seen. altough it is frustrating for the first couple years
True, but antler restrictions are the WRONG way to stop the harvest of all young bucks but allow the harvest of all older bucks. Simply learning to tell the difference between yearling and 2 1/2s (easily done) is the right way.
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#2117738 - 10/18/10 04:19 PM
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#2117766 - 10/18/10 04:29 PM
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believe it or not, that are many that do not care about aging a deer, this is why antler restrictions work so well
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#2117774 - 10/18/10 04:32 PM
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the lease that i have been on for the past 5 years have fairly tight restrictions like that too.
its 1200 acres
$500 yr
at least 8pt out past their ears
some mentioned that they have seen very nice deer with a narrow inside spread.....if its a nice mature 8pt with good mass, but hes jus a basket rack, our guys would not get tore up over, but were in the hatchie bottom, and i have yet to see a basket rack in 5yrs of hunting there
i have seen several bucks scoring over 130 that had a spread of 15 or less. the one that really sticks out in my mind is the one my neighbor's son killed, he was 16 at the time and that buck was only 12" wide but had 10pts and scored in the 140's. spread as nothing to do with age and little to do with score! mass and tines are what add up.
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#2117797 - 10/18/10 04:43 PM
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[quote=WHITMAN]spread as nothing to do with age and little to do with score! mass and tines are what add up.
Absolutely.
Spread is one measurement in the score. The difference between a 18 inch wide rack and a 12 wide inch rack in score is a whopping 6 inches. Mass is a bunch of measurements (depending on number of tines) and those scores are what really add up. Mass is more indicative of age than spread is too. Some bucks live to old age and never get "outside their ears". Personally, although I'm not going to say I don't like wide racks, I also like a big, massive, high and tight rack.
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#2117835 - 10/18/10 05:10 PM
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believe it or not, that are many that do not care about aging a deer, this is why antler restrictions work so well
Except they don't work well.
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#2117849 - 10/18/10 05:18 PM
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believe it or not, that are many that do not care about aging a deer, this is why antler restrictions work so well Except they don't work well.
not argueing, just saying, due to the membership structure at Chaney, veteran hunters and sorta rookie hunters, at this point in time, antler restriction is by far the best answer
if I have a new member who is also sorta new to deer hunting, I am not going to restrict this person from shooting the largest deer they have ever seen because they are not able to age the deer
also with many members not even caring about killing a deer, this helps with the veteran hunters who want to kill a mature deer
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#2117885 - 10/18/10 05:31 PM
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another plus to having tight restrictions on bucks is that in a few years you can really begin to tell a difference in the quality of the bucks that are seen. altough it is frustrating for the first couple years True, but antler restrictions are the WRONG way to stop the harvest of all young bucks but allow the harvest of all older bucks. Simply learning to tell the difference between yearling and 2 1/2s (easily done) is the right way.
it is definately not the "wrong" way to do it. some people will argue all day about the age of a deer. i personally dont think that age is a good enough defined line on weather to kill or let walk. if it aint past its ears and dont have 8pts, then dont shoot him....thats easy enough. what regulations do yall go by on the place you hunt? jus curious
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