#2109051 - 10/12/10 05:14 PM
Hunting Philosophy
|
Poser
14 Point
Registered: 07/28/10
Posts: 8397
Loc: Tennessee
|
Online
|
|
Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
-Sun Tzu
Think about that next time you fire up your ATV.
_________________________
It doesn't have to be fun to be fun. Wild & crazy, can't be stopped. Only the strong will survive. Keep your knife sharp and your skillet greasy. http://www.GoCarnivore.com
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109101 - 10/12/10 05:55 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: Poser]
|
BSK
Jerkasourous of the non-typical kind
Non-Typical
Registered: 03/11/99
Posts: 59670
Loc: Nashville, TN
|
Offline
|
|
I think Sun Tzu was talking about military strategy instead of hunting!
_________________________
"Know where you stand, and stand there" --Jesuit Father Daniel Berrigan
"There is no reasoning someone out of a position he has not reasoned himself into." --Clive James
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109128 - 10/12/10 06:13 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: BSK]
|
Bone Collector
12 Point
Registered: 09/09/09
Posts: 6187
Loc: Murfreesboro, TN
|
Offline
|
|
That is from the "Art of War" isn't it?
_________________________
Don't let the screen name fool you spikes are made of bone too  Semper Fidelis! The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109140 - 10/12/10 06:20 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: Bone Collector]
|
bowriter
Non-Typical
Registered: 08/31/02
Posts: 40337
Loc: Lebanon,TN USA
|
Offline
|
|
Here's my hunting philosophy.
When I stopped Trophy Hunting. Copyright John L. Sloan 10-2010
It was a still, frosty morning in Iowa. The sort of morning of which hunters dream. Visibility was good and the frosty, fallen leaves made it almost impossible for a deer to sneak up on you. I saw him coming from almost 200 yards. One look told me he was not a monster buck but certainly a “shooter”. Back then, I considered myself a trophy hunter. I don’t know what day it was but the year was 2002. It was the last year I ever worried about “trophies”. He kept right on course and when he passed me at 26 yards, I sent a broadhead through his ribs and heart. He ran about 40 yards and dropped. By the time, I had him on the ATV; it was just 7:45. By 8:15, I had him hanging in the garage. My IA tag was filled. However, I also had a Nebraska tag and could be in my NB stand in 30 minutes…and I was. It was just after 11 when the three does came by at a trot and acting “hinky”. I let them pass then slowly stood up with my fingers on the bowstring. He came at a slow trot. I seldom try to stop a deer unless they are really moving. Back then, I was that good. At 12 yards, I put the pin on his shoulder and relaxed my fingers. He dropped inside 50 yards. He too would exceed record book minimums. Two book bucks in two states in one morning. Later that fall, I sat in the same NE tree with my muzzleloader. I counted 18 different does before I saw antlers. I knew he wasn’t a very big buck but for some reason, I did not much care. I dropped him in his tracks at 60-yards. I checked him in at the sheriff’s office and had him hanging in the garage just about lunchtime. My friend, Rob then reminded me, I had a bow tag left in Missouri. I could be in one of those stands in 20 minutes. I climbed the tree at just past three and for some reason it started getting foggy…I mean very foggy. I could barely see 30 yards even though the hardwoods were mostly open. He came like a ghost, just drifting in and out of the fog. I could see he had antlers but I could not tell much about them. Just as it had been that morning, I didn’t care. I judged the distance to be 35-40 yards and held the pin for that. I heard the arrow hit “something” and the deer ran off. Then it got very quiet. I waited about two minutes and climbed down to look for my arrow. I assumed I had hit a tree. While searching all the trees around I stumbled over the dead buck. To this day, I have not figured out what that arrow hit nor did I ever find it. I guess it hit something on the far side of the buck because the shot was perfect right behind the shoulder. I had done it again, two bucks in one day in two different states. Since that year, I have killed one more big buck and have never worried about killing another “trophy”. To me, now, they are all trophies. Funny thing is, I enjoy hunting so much more now than I did when I was so serious about it. I am just as likely to shoot a spike or a doe, as I am to sit all day waiting for “Big Daddy”. There is a lot of discussion today about trophy hunting. Some hunters are “eat up” with it and look down up anyone who would shoot a small buck and some hunters, like I am now, just go for the enjoyment of the woods and wildlife and are happy to shoot whatever is legal and will taste good. For me, during those years I “trophy” hunted it never occurred to me that every deer I had ever killed was a trophy. They still are. Antlers do not define trophy. Due to my job, I was forced to hunt for big antlers. Sometimes the pressure to kill a big buck was tremendous. That pressure is now gone. My office is full of mounted heads and bear rugs etc. However of the animals I have killed that would qualify for one record book or another, not a single one has been sent in. Many actually hang in various hunting lodges and other people’s homes. I have seen so many young hunters swayed by the trash on television outdoor programming it almost makes me sick. I have seen hunters who are crushed if they do not kill a big deer every year. In my opinion, that is not what hunting is about. I still let a lot of deer walk because I just don’t want to shoot them. Given the choice between a fat doe and young buck, I’ll take the doe every time. But if a young buck walks by me and I feel like shooting him, I will. The last deer I killed was a monster, 3-pt, trophy. I wanted some meat, he was fat, and I knew I could make clean, humane kill. What a trophy! ###
Cutlines: #1- These two were both killed with archery equipment on the same morning in two different states. # 2- These two were killed the same day in two different states, one with a muzzleloader and one with a bow. The one on top is the bow kill.
_________________________
Constipation has ruined many a good day. Not as many as stupidity, though.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109215 - 10/12/10 07:03 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: DUCK37101]
|
Pursuit Hunter
8 Point
Registered: 10/01/08
Posts: 2084
Loc: Way out there
|
Offline
|
|
Where's the part about wearin' scent-loc to be odorless?
I'm one of the most subtle ATV riders I know. Guess it's all good!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109217 - 10/12/10 07:03 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: DUCK37101]
|
Robbhorn
6 Point
Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 543
Loc: Maury County
|
Offline
|
|
If you plant it, they will come
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109229 - 10/12/10 07:08 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: bowriter]
|
Boone 58
16 Point
Registered: 06/23/04
Posts: 13564
Loc: Food Plot
|
Offline
|
|
Great read Bw....i enjoyed it and i like your philosophy.
Edited by camoman270 (10/12/10 07:08 PM)
_________________________
Romans 10:9-13 NRA lifetime Mem & Crockett Friends of NRA Hoyt Razor Tec CVA Accura V2 Nikon BM BDC 3x9x40 Winchester Mod 70 Weather SS 270 WSM Nikon Monarch 3x12x42SF Carpe Diem.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109419 - 10/12/10 08:34 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: Boone 58]
|
knightrider
10 Point
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4796
Loc: claiborne
|
Offline
|
|
Irishspring thats all i got to say,oh and marlboro
_________________________
behold the lamb of GOD,when he nocks please answer it may be your last chance!!!! happy hunters against armchair biology killing tomorrows trophies today
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109471 - 10/12/10 08:54 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: Poser]
|
citico_tim
10 Point
Registered: 10/02/02
Posts: 4506
Loc: Knoxville, TN, USA
|
Offline
|
|
Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
-Sun Tzu
Think about that next time you fire up your ATV.
When hunting move slower than deer do. You'll see them move before they see you move.
Be there and they will come, eventually. If you're not there, they'll never come.
Lastly, "hunt" from the moment you enter the woods until the moment you're back at the truck. And that one is harder than it sounds.
_________________________
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109505 - 10/12/10 09:08 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: citico_tim]
|
redblood
16 Point
Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 10384
Loc: Lewisburg
|
Offline
|
|
I love the quote, have read it before. But I would never use an atv before a harvest and rarely use them after.
_________________________
"I will predator hunt for food "
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109613 - 10/12/10 09:45 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: redblood]
|
cfmartin1833
6 Point
Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 523
Loc: Smith & Wilson Co.
|
Offline
|
|
Go early & stay late! Oh, and practice shooting often!;)
_________________________
Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109932 - 10/13/10 06:43 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: citico_tim]
|
Longhunter
10 Point
Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 3788
Loc: Brewstertown in Morgan County...
|
Offline
|
|
I like your story Bowriter.
I agree with Sun Tzu's philosophy as it applies to much more than warfare or hunting.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109937 - 10/13/10 06:45 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: redblood]
|
JohnnyBond
Cat Man
Non-Typical
Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 35567
Loc:
|
Offline
|
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2109938 - 10/13/10 06:46 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: Longhunter]
|
Bottom Hunter
16 Point
Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 15554
Loc: Hatchie Bottoms
|
Offline
|
|
every time you decide to get out of your stand...stay another 15 minutes....(during daylight hours only...lol)
_________________________
There are some people who always seem angry and continuously look for conflict.
Walk away; the battle they are fighting is not with you, but with themselves.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2110009 - 10/13/10 07:41 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: knightrider]
|
A.K.A.
10 Point
Registered: 11/11/08
Posts: 3106
Loc: East TN
|
Offline
|
|
Irishspring thats all i got to say,oh and marlboro They like Isishspring? Used that in college and never saw many deer! I was a rookie then though...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2110011 - 10/13/10 07:42 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: A.K.A.]
|
A.K.A.
10 Point
Registered: 11/11/08
Posts: 3106
Loc: East TN
|
Offline
|
|
I'm meat first, trophy second. one or two for meat is good enough.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2110146 - 10/13/10 09:16 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: A.K.A.]
|
Goshen Valley Boy
4 Point
Registered: 09/08/09
Posts: 494
Loc: Indiana
|
Offline
|
|
My philosophy in a Top 10 list...I don't always live up to it, but I aspire to it. (In no particular order)
1. Appreciate every minute you get to spend in the woods and don't forget to give God the glory for it all.
2. Be as prepared as you can be, but always expect the unexpected. Even if you play the wind perfectly, the deer will often come from exactly the "wrong place"...stupid deer 
3. Be safe and smart...don't blow off the little things, there are no little things when it comes to safety.
4. Be more still than you think possible, scan with your eyes instead of your head and shoulders, as often as you can.
5. When you have to move, do so extremely slowly.
6. Give yourself little mental pep talks when you start to lose confidence or patience. It really is true that the deer of your dreams could step out at any second, but sometimes you need to be reminded of it.
7. Wait for a good ethical shot...know your limits and stick to them.
8. Shoot what makes you happy. If you will be disappointed in it, don't shoot it. If it satisfies you, fire away. Don't judge yourself against other hunters if it is going to be a source of stress...that isn't what it's all about.
9. After hitting a deer, wait 15 minutes longer than you think is necessary to get down and look for sign, then wait another 15 minutes. DO NOT RUSH A TRACKING JOB.
10. Last but not least...Don't let hunting become a source of conflict in your marraige. If you sense the wife would prefer you to stay home, maybe you had better do it...sometimes at least.
Edited by Goshen Valley Boy (10/13/10 09:16 AM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2110162 - 10/13/10 09:32 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: BSK]
|
stik
TnDeer Old Timer
16 Point
Registered: 03/12/99
Posts: 18546
Loc: lenoir city,tn
|
Offline
|
|
10. Last but not least...Don't let hunting become a source of conflict in your marraige. If you sense the wife would prefer you to stay home, maybe you had better do it...sometimes at least. Or find a new wife!
or get her hunting. i hunted before we were married and she knew i was not going to stop or even slack off.
_________________________
experienced hunters know its not just a bushy white tail, its a big middle finger.
nothing makes a fish bigger than almost being caught
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2110220 - 10/13/10 10:09 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: stik]
|
BowGuy84
10 Point
Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 4862
Loc: Nashville, TN and Louisville, ...
|
Offline
|
|
Im in the training stages with my squaw. I don't want her to hunt but her daddy does so she is a little use to it. This will be season #2 and if all goes well maybe a status change before the next one. I get out in the woods all year long to get ready for hunting season so shes learning quick.
My biggest rule is limit pressure...period.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2110221 - 10/13/10 10:09 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: stik]
|
Goshen Valley Boy
4 Point
Registered: 09/08/09
Posts: 494
Loc: Indiana
|
Offline
|
|
10. Last but not least...Don't let hunting become a source of conflict in your marraige. If you sense the wife would prefer you to stay home, maybe you had better do it...sometimes at least. Or find a new wife! or get her hunting. i hunted before we were married and she knew i was not going to stop or even slack off.
My wife is going to try it during gun season this year for the first time! I am hoping she likes the experience.
Seriously though, family should come first. If hunting becomes a source of stress on a marraige or a household, it is probably time to back off a little bit and look at priorities. I have to do this a lot. Believe me, I speak from experience. I have not even been close to perfect on this one.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2111100 - 10/13/10 10:50 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: stik]
|
citico_tim
10 Point
Registered: 10/02/02
Posts: 4506
Loc: Knoxville, TN, USA
|
Offline
|
|
10. Last but not least...Don't let hunting become a source of conflict in your marraige. If you sense the wife would prefer you to stay home, maybe you had better do it...sometimes at least. Or find a new wife! or get her hunting. i hunted before we were married and she knew i was not going to stop or even slack off.
I made it a pre-nuptial requirement. If she tries to stop me, she's history. But grandma (my mother in law) stays. One heck of a cook.
_________________________
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2111154 - 10/14/10 01:03 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: citico_tim]
|
stik
TnDeer Old Timer
16 Point
Registered: 03/12/99
Posts: 18546
Loc: lenoir city,tn
|
Offline
|
|
10. Last but not least...Don't let hunting become a source of conflict in your marraige. If you sense the wife would prefer you to stay home, maybe you had better do it...sometimes at least. Or find a new wife! or get her hunting. i hunted before we were married and she knew i was not going to stop or even slack off. I made it a pre-nuptial requirement. If she tries to stop me, she's history. But grandma (my mother in law) stays. One heck of a cook.
she wouldn't have been the first one i sent packing for complaining about my hunting.
_________________________
experienced hunters know its not just a bushy white tail, its a big middle finger.
nothing makes a fish bigger than almost being caught
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2111165 - 10/14/10 02:18 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: bowriter]
|
156p&y
10 Point
Registered: 10/23/01
Posts: 4097
Loc: Franklin Tn
|
Offline
|
|
Here's my hunting philosophy.
When I stopped Trophy Hunting. Copyright John L. Sloan 10-2010
It was a still, frosty morning in Iowa. The sort of morning of which hunters dream. Visibility was good and the frosty, fallen leaves made it almost impossible for a deer to sneak up on you. I saw him coming from almost 200 yards. One look told me he was not a monster buck but certainly a shooter. Back then, I considered myself a trophy hunter. I dont know what day it was but the year was 2002. It was the last year I ever worried about trophies. He kept right on course and when he passed me at 26 yards, I sent a broadhead through his ribs and heart. He ran about 40 yards and dropped. By the time, I had him on the ATV; it was just 7:45. By 8:15, I had him hanging in the garage. My IA tag was filled. However, I also had a Nebraska tag and could be in my NB stand in 30 minutes
and I was. It was just after 11 when the three does came by at a trot and acting hinky. I let them pass then slowly stood up with my fingers on the bowstring. He came at a slow trot. I seldom try to stop a deer unless they are really moving. Back then, I was that good. At 12 yards, I put the pin on his shoulder and relaxed my fingers. He dropped inside 50 yards. He too would exceed record book minimums. Two book bucks in two states in one morning. Later that fall, I sat in the same NE tree with my muzzleloader. I counted 18 different does before I saw antlers. I knew he wasnt a very big buck but for some reason, I did not much care. I dropped him in his tracks at 60-yards. I checked him in at the sheriffs office and had him hanging in the garage just about lunchtime. My friend, Rob then reminded me, I had a bow tag left in Missouri. I could be in one of those stands in 20 minutes. I climbed the tree at just past three and for some reason it started getting foggy
I mean very foggy. I could barely see 30 yards even though the hardwoods were mostly open. He came like a ghost, just drifting in and out of the fog. I could see he had antlers but I could not tell much about them. Just as it had been that morning, I didnt care. I judged the distance to be 35-40 yards and held the pin for that. I heard the arrow hit something and the deer ran off. Then it got very quiet. I waited about two minutes and climbed down to look for my arrow. I assumed I had hit a tree. While searching all the trees around I stumbled over the dead buck. To this day, I have not figured out what that arrow hit nor did I ever find it. I guess it hit something on the far side of the buck because the shot was perfect right behind the shoulder. I had done it again, two bucks in one day in two different states. Since that year, I have killed one more big buck and have never worried about killing another trophy. To me, now, they are all trophies. Funny thing is, I enjoy hunting so much more now than I did when I was so serious about it. I am just as likely to shoot a spike or a doe, as I am to sit all day waiting for Big Daddy. There is a lot of discussion today about trophy hunting. Some hunters are eat up with it and look down up anyone who would shoot a small buck and some hunters, like I am now, just go for the enjoyment of the woods and wildlife and are happy to shoot whatever is legal and will taste good. For me, during those years I trophy hunted it never occurred to me that every deer I had ever killed was a trophy. They still are. Antlers do not define trophy. Due to my job, I was forced to hunt for big antlers. Sometimes the pressure to kill a big buck was tremendous. That pressure is now gone. My office is full of mounted heads and bear rugs etc. However of the animals I have killed that would qualify for one record book or another, not a single one has been sent in. Many actually hang in various hunting lodges and other peoples homes. I have seen so many young hunters swayed by the trash on television outdoor programming it almost makes me sick. I have seen hunters who are crushed if they do not kill a big deer every year. In my opinion, that is not what hunting is about. I still let a lot of deer walk because I just dont want to shoot them. Given the choice between a fat doe and young buck, Ill take the doe every time. But if a young buck walks by me and I feel like shooting him, I will. The last deer I killed was a monster, 3-pt, trophy. I wanted some meat, he was fat, and I knew I could make clean, humane kill. What a trophy! ###
Cutlines: #1- These two were both killed with archery equipment on the same morning in two different states. # 2- These two were killed the same day in two different states, one with a muzzleloader and one with a bow. The one on top is the bow kill.
Good grief I'm glad someone else lost cable tonight besides me!
_________________________
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2111246 - 10/14/10 06:24 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: 156p&y]
|
1 good shot
8 Point
Registered: 09/05/09
Posts: 1840
Loc: memphis
|
Offline
|
|
well i'm the only one in the family that will eat it and one deer will last me a long time so i'm content to wait and watch for "a good one". i miss very few days of deer season so i have plenty of opportunities . killing a deer is just a small part of hunting. i won't let any coyotes go by
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2111251 - 10/14/10 06:29 AM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: 1 good shot]
|
tndrbstr
16 Point
Registered: 10/06/05
Posts: 12157
Loc: knox co tn
|
Offline
|
|
Kill by 8,.. ..home by 10...
i won't let any coyotes go by
I won't either!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2112384 - 10/14/10 10:20 PM
Re: Hunting Philosophy
[Re: tndrbstr]
|
Yodel Dog
8 Point
Registered: 10/14/08
Posts: 1087
Loc: Mid Tn
|
Offline
|
|
A whole season can come down to a few seconds, most often when you least expect it.
Edited by Yodel Dog (10/14/10 10:21 PM)
_________________________
"...Shooting a deer is like shooting a cow..." Phil Robertson
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
Moderator: RUGER, Tennessee Todd, Unicam, Cuttin Caller, CBU93, stretch, Bobby G, Outdoor Lady, TurkeyBurd
|
12168 Members
39 Forums
117703 Topics
1429017 Posts
Max Online: 756 @ 11/20/12 09:10 AM
|
|
|
The TnDeer.Com Deer Talk Forum is for Tennessee Deer Hunters by Tennessee Deer Hunters. If you enjoy using our Talk Forum and would like to contribute to help in it's up-keep. Just submit your contribution by clicking on the DONATE button below and paying with PayPal or a major credit card. Any amount is much appreciated. Thanks for your support!
|
|
|