A little practice goes a long way. I would feel alot better about giving up some of my time to practice then lay inn bed thinking about a deer laying in the woods with a 2 blage rage sticking in its side. This is really a pet pieve of mine. There is no scence in hunting with a bow if you can not humianly take down a deer and in my opinion it the most unsportsman thing that can happen. Everyone loses a deer but four in two years is pointing right to not efficint with your bow.

A little practice goes a long way. I would feel alot better about giving up some of my time to practice then lay inn bed thinking about a deer laying in the woods with a 2 blage rage sticking in its side. This is really a pet pieve of mine. There is no scence in hunting with a bow if you can not humianly take down a deer and in my opinion it the most unsportsman thing that can happen. Everyone loses a deer but four in two years is pointing right to not efficint with your bow.

Maybe you and BigSpike should get together and go to a 3D tournament or two. I will tell you that you can't shoot. Never take a questionable shot. As a hunter, you owe that to the deer. You can grunt to make one stop.

Seeing as how you have lost 2/3 of your tags in each of the last two years, I would be hard pressed to believe you have killed more than someone has in tweny years. There is no need to throw stones, but you do need to figure out what is going on. Try a regular bow with a Muzzy. My brother and I have shot 3 so far this year that ran less than 50 yards each. Hunting is about gathering the animal for you to eat, not the buzzards and coyotes.

Bad luck does happen but most of the time it is the shooters fault. I just could not imagine loosing deer after deer.

Sometimes it just happens. Every bow hunter that I know personally has lost a deer here and there through the years.
Although we should diligently try to recover every deer every time, I only consider it a real 'problem' when it doesn't bother the hunter to lose a deer anymore.
Personally when I lose a deer I spend a sleepless night or two feeling bad about it. Although I couldn't tell you half of the deer I've harvested, i can remember EVERY deer that I've lost.
Sometimes it's equipment, sometimes the deer just outsmarts the tracker, sometimes it's just bad luck, sometimes it's poor shot placement, sometimes it's rain on a bloodtrail, sometimes it's any number of other things.
Sometimes it just happens.

i am going 2 sleep great

I understand that. I guess he must shoot every buck that walks by him. Part of this websites presence is to promote good hunting practices and information on how to kill mature deer from proper management.

A little practice goes a long way. I would feel alot better about giving up some of my time to practice then lay inn bed thinking about a deer laying in the woods with a 2 blage rage sticking in its side. This is really a pet pieve of mine. There is no scence in hunting with a bow if you can not humianly take down a deer and in my opinion it the most unsportsman thing that can happen. Everyone loses a deer but four in two years is pointing right to not efficint with your bow.

Rage.i would go get my refund on them.get your deer or your money back.This guy should break even.lol

I understand that. I guess he must shoot every buck that walks by him. Part of this websites presence is to promote good hunting practices and information on how to kill mature deer from proper management.

I have the disagree,it is here to promote good hunting practices and provide information,but is not specific info to kill mature deer..I'd rather say,kill legal deer,any deer..

Rage broadheads are awesome you dont know what your talking about.

Maybe you and BigSpike should get together and go to a 3D tournament or two. I will tell you that you can't shoot. Never take a questionable shot. As a hunter, you owe that to the deer. You can grunt to make one stop.

5 yards square n shoulder

Put your crossbow away and take up fishing.

Put your crossbow away and take up fishing.

i wonder if a guy named Big Spike could be a troll with his first post talking about hitting and not recovering a shatload of deer.

Hmm

Sorry, GNB, I looked in the mirror and still posted. Stuff happens. I should have lost one last year after a limb defletion, but got lucky and she went about 40 yds. This is my 42nd consecutive year of bowhunting. I've missed several during that time, lost one about 25 years ago, and hit one one fall in the shoulder and killed the same deer a year to the date later at LBL. I'm no pro, but am pretty disciplined in waiting for an ethical shot.

So, yes, bad luck and bad stuff can happen. But, IMO, four lost in two years (even worse if he is talking about last season and the first two weeks of this one)shows some problems with equipment, shot placement, or the taking of ethical shots. I didn't get the feeling of much worry or remorse in his post. It was more like ho-hum I've lost another one.

I'd be doing some serious soul searching before I screwed up on another deer.

Or, his whole post could have been a Peta type trolling attempt.

I just wanted to point out that bow hunting is a game of inches.............

i have probably killed more bucks n past few years than u have n ur 20 years.

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I smell something.

At 5 yards your arrow/bolt has not reached a high percentage of its peak velocity. Just shoot your target from 5 yards and check the penetration compared to say 20 yards.

Somebody is going to have to explain that one to me....

Somebody is going to have to explain that one to me....

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Somebody is going to have to explain that one to me....

LOL, looks to me like he's just jerking the "all the RAGE" followers chains here! Worked well too! lol

If you hit both lungs the deer will not go over a hundred yards regardless of what brand broadhead you use. If that isn't the case, you didn't hit where you thought you did. It really is that simple...

Somebody is going to have to explain that one to me....

Gee, and I always thought that an arrow began losing speed the moment it leaves the string...

No, wait, I still think that.

Gee, and I always thought that an arrow began losing speed the moment it leaves the string...

No, wait, I still think that.

Same here. The energy is transferred from the string to the arrow. It starts losing energy immediately. It does not build velocity after it leaves the string. This has been proven with a chronograph. A bullet does the same thing.

Bullet expansion is likely why you see a pass through muzzleloader shot at a longer distance than a shorter one. Bullet expansion is greater at higher velocities.

Step outside and shoot your target at 3-5 yds and then at 15-20. Why does the latter always sink in deeper than the close shot? My degree is not in physics but I still see this happen time and again with target shots. Have also seen it with muzzle loader sabots where 20 yds and in would not exit and 70-100 yds shot blow a hole on the exit of live deer. JMO Not like I wouldn't take a shot at 5 yds, but how you miss at 5 yds, thats what I'm more concerned about.

At 5 yards the fletchings have not had time to stabilize the arrow yet unless it is perfectly tuned. By the time it has reached 20 yards the arrow should be flying perfectly straight which increased penetration and KE. A lot of KE is lost on an arrow with bad flight.

Its simple... when you first release your arrow it is not traveling at its fastest speed instantly just like a bullet leaving a gun does not. It takes "X" amount of distance traveled before maximum velocity is reached. I'm not saying you can't penetrate from 5 yards, I'm saying you will get less at 5 than you will at 15-20. After peak velocity is reached then the "drop" effect takes place. Your arrow is traveling slower but gaining speed at release and traveling faster but losing speed beyond peak velocity. Now go read a book you big dummy...

I have heard many people have the same misconception about sighting in a rifle, saying the bullet is still rising up to 100 yards and then begins to fall. WRONG its the line of sight your using from a scope mounted inches above the barrel that confuses people.

i killed a big doe today and have not shot my bow since last seaon but when u use the rage like me u dont have to ever practice..just grab bow and hit deer anywhere and it will cut it in half..

Its simple... when you first release your arrow it is not traveling at its fastest speed instantly just like a bullet leaving a gun does not. It takes "X" amount of distance traveled before maximum velocity is reached.

Go purchase a chronograph and try to prove your theory. You're going to be badly disappointed.

Go purchase a chronograph and try to prove your theory. You're going to be badly disappointed.

Yep, some sound like they never lose one and always drop em dead. If you hunt long enough you will lose one or more. Arrogance and greed are killing the sport of hunting. Sorry for your loss. Better luck next time and ignore the rude comments by the elite hunters on here who do everything right from wearing the right clothing to pulling the right bow to shooting the only "right" broadhead.......do you arrogant guys get the point....you are condescending and it is rude.

Yep.

i have probably killed more bucks n past few years than u have n ur 20 years.

I hunt with a bow year round for deer. I pass alot of deer.

i hope you pass on all deer from mid jan. thru late sept.

Please tell me that "Tomahawk" is kidding when he mentions the velocity thing????? Cause if he is correct then he has solved the energy crisis for the world. Just use his physics and we can put a little energy in and we will get alot out with no waste products. He is a scholar!!

All I can say is this its NEVER the broadhead. Its NEVER the bow. Its ALWAYS the hunters fault period. I hunt with a bow year round for deer. I have not lost one in a long time but I also only take perfect shots period. I pass alot of deer. To me its much better to pass 10 than lose 1. I dont like feeding coyotes!!

shot deer at 630 am.started tracking at 11.found really good blood for about 600 yards then he started up a very step hill just like the other ones.took the day of 2 look 4 deer.x bow was a barnett 375 fps.i have several pope and yong also a few b&C from tn il and ky.if can someone tell me how 2 post pics on here.

Maybe the laws of physics works different for him than they do for the rest of us!!!

shot deer at 630 am.

Not to be a stickler for details, but I don't think we've had a "legal sunrise" of 7 AM yet. Maybe I'm wrong.

...Wheres the confusion? it is/ does climb from the line of site, if the barrel muzzle is higher than the breach....which it is going to have to be if the rifle (point of impact) is zero'd on the cross hairs of a scope anywhere down range...
if it is zeroed on the cross hairs at a thousand yards down range the bullet could very well still be rising at 500 yards...that is no misconception is it? ...but my bullet zeros twice...once climbing above, and another time falling thru the cross hairs/ line of sight...

The simplest way I know to explain it is, a bullet is losing speed and energy, and falling toward the ground from the time it leaves the barrel. A bullet absolutely does not rise above the barrel after the shot, gravity is pulling it toward the ground instantly. Your scope is mounted above the barrel, and the xhairs in the scope are what is zeroed on the target, which is why you shoot low at close distances and high at mid range and then back low again down range. The bullet however has been falling toward the ground since it left the barrel, I promise.