#2084680 - 09/24/10 04:36 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit. I wasn't trying to make it into KY hunters vs TN hunters , but I see how it could have been taken that way. I was talking hunters in general from state to state. Some will always want lower limits while other hunters want more liberal limits. In every state or area you will always have hunters that are happy with any buck and hunters who want a certain size/age buck no matter the limit. I'm sure there are hunters in KY that don't like the one buck limit just like there are hunters in TN that don't like the 3 buck limit. And yes the self control thing is the same in both states, hunters have different goals. If you want to shoot the first buck that comes by then fine , but your buck hunting not season , is over in a 1 buck area and maybe the hunter should have shown more self control. I don't understand the problem with my theory as you stated exactly what I was saying.I didn't say "IMO the reason some TN folks " I just said folks. I wasn't putting KY hunters vs TN hunters just hunters as a whole. The purpose of my response was to try and understand how your whole season is over after you shoot a buck especially for the hunters that want to take any deer . Don't worry I wasn't trying to put down the great hunting in TN or any management practices. I wasn't responding in a TN hunters vs KY hunters vien. Just saying that a lower buck limit doesn't produce more restraint in what bucks hunters kill. If that was not your point, my apologies, as I misunderstood your post.
I agree. If a hunter is happy with the first legal buck or if they are waiting on a certain size/age the limit really doesn't matter , weather its 1 buck or 10 bucks the hunter will still shoot whichever buck makes them happy. We are on the same page it just took awhile to get there.
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#2084689 - 09/24/10 04:50 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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I THINK THE TWRA DOES A GOOD JOB OF THE MANAGEMENT BUT WITH THAT SAID ALOT OF THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE PEOPLE LEGALLY HUNTING ITS THE PEOPLE SHOOTING DEER PAST THEIR LIMIT OR FROM THE ROAD AT NIGHT NO MATTER WHAT THE LIMITATIONS IT WILL NOT TOTALLY HELP TILL THE POACHERS GET PUT IN CHECK NOT ALL AREAS HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN SURE BUT IN OUR AREA ITS A BIG PROBLEM
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#2084849 - 09/24/10 08:18 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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There is nothing wrong with killing yearling bucks and I believe Fort Campbell is far from over-harvesting them. Why would anyone want to deny someone from shooting what makes them happy, especially when it's not damaging the resource in the least?
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#2086100 - 09/25/10 11:21 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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I am pretty sure if there is a way to check it that military killed most of the deer last year.Most soldiers have no where else to hunt.Most soldiers in the 101st know they are deployed about every other year so they take what ever buck comes along,as it should be.Most may only be stationed there for only a couple years.They have no reason not to shoot the 1.5 year old bucks.
Fort Campbell is just fine,leave it as it is! Very true and I agree 100% But they are being very selfish with the resource... They should be forced to let their neighbors shoot bigguns, because that's what I wanna shoot... These are the arguments that we hear all of the time about statewide big buck regs, and this is a very good example of how wide sweeping statewide regulation changes could effect more than just one side of this debate or the other. My brother is a Marine and was on a Med float one season, then toured and was wounded in Iraq the next. When he came back, he had a slightly itchy trigger finger. Now that he has settled down a bit, he is becoming far more selective in what he shoots. We were raised hunting, but rarely saw deer all season long. If we saw it and it was legal, it was down. But I am growing out of this mentality, not because it is wrong, per se, but because I have found a way that I like better, and know that if I pass this small one that I see now, I will probably see another one later. Not saying that I won't shoot a samller deer, but probably won't. But what about kids, first time hunters, hunters in possibly their last season, guys down on their luck who need an escape, etc. Hunting is supposed to be fun, not a profession. Just like little league sports are loosing their innocence and fun, becoming more of a job for young kids, hunting is quickly loosing its innocence and fun to commercialism, yuppy hunters and big buck mania. I hope to pass on a little bit of the purity and enjoyment of the sport to my daughters.
Retired Navy here...
First of all, They don't have to let civilians hunt there at all.
Second, those of you that have lived in the same place your whole life, have no idea how hard it is to get some place to hunt. I used to fly 3000 miles to go home to hunt in the places that people knew me, until they turned it into a subdivision. If those boys that serve kill them enough till they don't let us civilians on anymore, its OK with me. Those boys deserve the chance to hunt just like the rest of us.
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#2086110 - 09/25/10 11:39 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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Without question KY hunters are killing less total bucks than TN hunters.
Year after year TN hunters kill far more mature bucks than KY hunters do.
Since we kill more bucks, we should be killing "far more" mature bucks, right? It only seems logical. We probably kill "far more" 1 1/2 year old bucks also.
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#2086174 - 09/26/10 07:48 AM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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Without question KY hunters are killing less total bucks than TN hunters. Year after year TN hunters kill far more mature bucks than KY hunters do. Since we kill more bucks, we should be killing "far more" mature bucks, right? It only seems logical. We probably kill "far more" 1 1/2 year old bucks also.
Thats what I was thinking too, but I figured I was just a little slow or didn't understand. I would think that a 3 buck vs 1 buck limit should give TN 3 to 1 odds at the start. So shouldn't TN be killing more mature bucks as well as 1.5, 2.5 and so on ? Maybe I'm just thinking to simple. Oh and I realize that not all hunters kill 3 bucks nor do all hunters in KY kill 1 buck.
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#2086183 - 09/26/10 07:55 AM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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Be happy your not in Indiana as I was for 5 years, they have a one buck limit per year, but as for does, @ $30 a pop you can kill what you want. Yes, $30 per doe and that can get expensive after a while.
No rifle hunting, but you can hunt with a pistol that shoots a rifle shell, and yes there are restrictions to that.
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#2086204 - 09/26/10 08:15 AM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit. That may be true, but KY hunters are killing fewer bucks overall which is why it works for both imo. Brown and downers can kill what what they want and trophy hunters have a chance at what they want. If every hunter in TN killed 2 bucks then there would be 0 bucks left statewide, much less 3. But it sells alot of tags i guess. Without question KY hunters are killing less total bucks than TN hunters. And in theory, KY should have a better buck age structure than TN. However, hunters certainly aren't benefitting. Year after year TN hunters kill far more mature bucks than KY hunters do. I'm all for "potential," but if the potential never becomes realized, the potential is wasted.
Those poor KY hunters ! In the future maybe they can get away from killing all those yearling bucks and at least start to have a chance at more mature bucks. Maybe they need a longer rifle season with higher bag limits that way they won't feel pressed to shoot the first yearling that walks by. Until things get straightened out, if they ever do , at least they can come hunt in TN so they can have a much better chance at taking a mature buck.
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