#2083159 - 09/23/10 11:03 AM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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Fort Campbell is a bonus buck, totally different scenario. Ft Campbell has lots of onetime visitors. So the whole, being selective, goes out the window.
I wouldnt read to much in to any quota hunt, or WMA hunts where the harvest of a buck doesnt go against your state tage. Exactly what I was thinking. It doesn't make any since to compare the two. Then people need to stop talking about Presidents Island and how the rest of Tn should be managed like it if it makes no sense to compare WMA to statewide hunting. 
That's just what I was thinking!
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#2083176 - 09/23/10 11:15 AM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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KY one buck limit is working. They are climbing the charts as far as places to go to hunt trophy whitetail. How can you argue with that? It would not work for people that just want to deer hunt.1 Buck and the season is over would not make me happy.Most hunters are happy with what some would consider average deer.Everyone wants a Throphy but most hunters are happy just to get a chance to hunt and bring a deer home.
Why is the season over if you shoot a buck ? I mean you are allowed to shoot does in KY its not a buck only state. If you shoot 3 bucks the first 3 days of the season in TN , is your season over ? Especially if most people just want to DEER hunt and get a chance to bring a DEER home. IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". Of course folks will say that a 1 buck limit limits their opportunities and in fact it does on bucks, not deer.
Now I'm not a pusher of the 1 buck limit and I believe every hunter should have the chance to kill whatever makes them happy regardless of size or sex and I realize that not every hunter is at the same stage in their hunting careers or have the same goals. TN and KY as well as WMA's have different bag limits and management pratices. Does this mean that one is right or wrong , NO , simply different.
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#2083182 - 09/23/10 11:21 AM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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I am pretty sure if there is a way to check it that military killed most of the deer last year.Most soldiers have no where else to hunt.Most soldiers in the 101st know they are deployed about every other year so they take what ever buck comes along,as it should be.Most may only be stationed there for only a couple years.They have no reason not to shoot the 1.5 year old bucks.
Fort Campbell is just fine,leave it as it is! Very true and I agree 100%
But they are being very selfish with the resource... They should be forced to let their neighbors shoot bigguns, because that's what I wanna shoot...
These are the arguments that we hear all of the time about statewide big buck regs, and this is a very good example of how wide sweeping statewide regulation changes could effect more than just one side of this debate or the other. My brother is a Marine and was on a Med float one season, then toured and was wounded in Iraq the next. When he came back, he had a slightly itchy trigger finger. Now that he has settled down a bit, he is becoming far more selective in what he shoots.
We were raised hunting, but rarely saw deer all season long. If we saw it and it was legal, it was down. But I am growing out of this mentality, not because it is wrong, per se, but because I have found a way that I like better, and know that if I pass this small one that I see now, I will probably see another one later. Not saying that I won't shoot a samller deer, but probably won't.
But what about kids, first time hunters, hunters in possibly their last season, guys down on their luck who need an escape, etc. Hunting is supposed to be fun, not a profession. Just like little league sports are loosing their innocence and fun, becoming more of a job for young kids, hunting is quickly loosing its innocence and fun to commercialism, yuppy hunters and big buck mania. I hope to pass on a little bit of the purity and enjoyment of the sport to my daughters.
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#2083313 - 09/23/10 12:17 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ".
The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit.
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#2083332 - 09/23/10 12:26 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit.
That may be true, but KY hunters are killing fewer bucks overall which is why it works for both imo. Brown and downers can kill what what they want and trophy hunters have a chance at what they want. If every hunter in TN killed 2 bucks then there would be 0 bucks left statewide, much less 3. But it sells alot of tags i guess.
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#2083442 - 09/23/10 01:21 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit.
I wasn't trying to make it into KY hunters vs TN hunters , but I see how it could have been taken that way. I was talking hunters in general from state to state. Some will always want lower limits while other hunters want more liberal limits. In every state or area you will always have hunters that are happy with any buck and hunters who want a certain size/age buck no matter the limit. I'm sure there are hunters in KY that don't like the one buck limit just like there are hunters in TN that don't like the 3 buck limit. And yes the self control thing is the same in both states, hunters have different goals. If you want to shoot the first buck that comes by then fine , but your buck hunting not season , is over in a 1 buck area and maybe the hunter should have shown more self control.
I don't understand the problem with my theory as you stated exactly what I was saying.I didn't say "IMO the reason some TN folks " I just said folks. I wasn't putting KY hunters vs TN hunters just hunters as a whole. The purpose of my response was to try and understand how your whole season is over after you shoot a buck especially for the hunters that want to take any deer . Don't worry I wasn't trying to put down the great hunting in TN or any management practices.
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#2083443 - 09/23/10 01:22 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit. That may be true, but KY hunters are killing fewer bucks overall which is why it works for both imo. Brown and downers can kill what what they want and trophy hunters have a chance at what they want. If every hunter in TN killed 2 bucks then there would be 0 bucks left statewide, much less 3. But it sells alot of tags i guess.
Without question KY hunters are killing less total bucks than TN hunters. And in theory, KY should have a better buck age structure than TN. However, hunters certainly aren't benefitting. Year after year TN hunters kill far more mature bucks than KY hunters do. I'm all for "potential," but if the potential never becomes realized, the potential is wasted.
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#2083450 - 09/23/10 01:24 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit. I wasn't trying to make it into KY hunters vs TN hunters , but I see how it could have been taken that way. I was talking hunters in general from state to state. Some will always want lower limits while other hunters want more liberal limits. In every state or area you will always have hunters that are happy with any buck and hunters who want a certain size/age buck no matter the limit. I'm sure there are hunters in KY that don't like the one buck limit just like there are hunters in TN that don't like the 3 buck limit. And yes the self control thing is the same in both states, hunters have different goals. If you want to shoot the first buck that comes by then fine , but your buck hunting not season , is over in a 1 buck area and maybe the hunter should have shown more self control. I don't understand the problem with my theory as you stated exactly what I was saying.I didn't say "IMO the reason some TN folks " I just said folks. I wasn't putting KY hunters vs TN hunters just hunters as a whole. The purpose of my response was to try and understand how your whole season is over after you shoot a buck especially for the hunters that want to take any deer . Don't worry I wasn't trying to put down the great hunting in TN or any management practices.
I wasn't responding in a TN hunters vs KY hunters vien. Just saying that a lower buck limit doesn't produce more restraint in what bucks hunters kill. If that was not your point, my apologies, as I misunderstood your post.
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#2083461 - 09/23/10 01:31 PM
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Why don't we go to the one buck limit and harvest does until the buck to doe population gets more balanced?
Its already balanced in my part of Perry county. Some times I think I have more bucks than does.
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#2083468 - 09/23/10 01:33 PM
Re: stats from one buck limit
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IMO the reason some folks , no one in particular , don't like the 1 buck limit is that it means the hunter has to use a little self control and not just ground check the first couple of whatevers that walk by and then wait on their " trophy ". The problem with that theory is, the evidence suggests hunters are NOT displaying any self-control except in complying with the bag limit. KY hunters are killing a higher percent of yearling bucks than TN hunters do with our 3 buck limit. That may be true, but KY hunters are killing fewer bucks overall which is why it works for both imo. Brown and downers can kill what what they want and trophy hunters have a chance at what they want. If every hunter in TN killed 2 bucks then there would be 0 bucks left statewide, much less 3. But it sells alot of tags i guess. Without question KY hunters are killing less total bucks than TN hunters. And in theory, KY should have a better buck age structure than TN. However, hunters certainly aren't benefitting. Year after year TN hunters kill far more mature bucks than KY hunters do. I'm all for "potential," but if the potential never becomes realized, the potential is wasted.
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