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#2079622 - 09/21/10 07:44 AM Making adjustments........?
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How many here normally go with the setups and strategies that they have to start the season and how many are quick to make adjustments ? Do you think that it may be TOO LATE to change or move and just sit it out even with little success?

Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it. Sometimes as few as three to five days in a row. Unsuccessful, being defined as few deer sightings and no shots. if I have a shot but choose not to take it for whatever reason, then I may stick around a few days more.

If I get busted more than once in a setup, then I definitely move. If I get busted just once I still try to move my stand just enough to work the wind a bit better.

I've seen that sometimes even great looking setups can need tweaking abit. Maybe the stand is a few yards too close or too far or maybe it should be hidden abit better or the wind just doesn't seem to cooperate for you, maybe you're in a bottom areas and the wind swirls more than you anticipated..

Being mobile and willing to adjust helps my success rate, without a doubt.

any thoughts or ideas....?
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#2079630 - 09/21/10 07:52 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I like to Archery hunt deer where they are feeding, this allows for multiple shot opportunities at motionless deer with many angles. The only way to do this is to be very mobile, as their feeding patterns and places is changing constantly right now.
I like the higher % shots at relaxed feeding deer vs. hunting a strict travel corridor where the deer are on the move and your trying to get a good shot with a bow!

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#2079647 - 09/21/10 08:00 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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I'm pretty fexible about moving stands when necessary, but at the same time, it's not unusual to find an area I'd like to bow hunt, and set up a 'gun' stand farther away for a year or two before putting the bow set up in. This gives me the opportunity to observe deer from a distance before getting 'in their face'. I just set up two bow stands in a perfect 'funnel' area, a 30 yard wide oak flat between seven year old pines and a swamp. Last season, after watching from about 150 yards away how deer moved through there, I put one stand in. Hunted it six times last year, WHEN THE WIND WAS RIGHT, and never got busted. In fact, saw one four point almost every time and had him literally under the stand once, and within about 20 yards for an extended period another time while hunting off the ground.

Summary,
I don't believe moving a stand is that important, as long as the wind is right. I used to hunt a stand in NY with my father in law that he had up for over 20 years. Deer used to bed within 25 yards of it. Key was: never let them smell you.

You can fool their eyes sometimes, their ears sometimes, but never the nose!


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#2080002 - 09/21/10 11:20 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: CZ284]
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I move all the time,with a climber,best time to kill a big one is the first sit IMO,......10 times?Id be gone long before that
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#2080020 - 09/21/10 11:35 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Football Hunter]
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10 times?Id be gone long before that

LOL, me and you both! If I sat a stand 10 times it would be because I was having great success in it!

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#2080042 - 09/21/10 11:42 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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Deer do the same thing pretty much every year in the mountains so I dont really do alot of moving unless Im hunting a new property and am trying to find the travel routes that will be the same year after year after year.
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#2080053 - 09/21/10 11:48 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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As i said in my post, less than ten time and most time 3-5 days in a row without sucess makes me move.

I do believe in giving an area adequate time to produce simply because I initially decided on that spot for a reason and deer may not come by your stand setup every day or every day at the time you are there.

Some areas are naturally good......saddles, funnels and field corners close to thick areas. Just because you find sign there, that does not necessarily let you know when the deer are using the area. not every food source gets visited every day. It could be every day or every three days. It could in the morning, midday or afternoons or even at night. It may take a few days to figure a spot out and I would hate to give up on a spot before I've given it ample time to produce. I take great pride in my pre-season scouting and my ability to be in the right spot. Sometimes it's difficult to tell myself that I was wrong....lol.

Once I have made the decision to move, I am gone.....
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#2080059 - 09/21/10 11:51 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
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10 times?Id be gone long before that

LOL, me and you both! If I sat a stand 10 times it would be because I was having great success in it!


x3...I bounce around like a pinball during bow season.
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#2080082 - 09/21/10 12:04 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it.


I try never to hunt the same stand twice in an entire year.
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#2080083 - 09/21/10 12:05 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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to each his own and i know alot of people on here won't agree but i will hunt a stand until i kill a good buck from it, that may be the first morning or it could be 10 days or so

when i'm hunting a good buck i know that the more i sit in one spot, the better my odds are of seeing that buck. he may only come by that stand once every few days and i want to be there when he does

even if i do spook the big buck i was after, who's to say that another one won't come by me the next day that had no idea i was there

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#2080092 - 09/21/10 12:10 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: east10buck]
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I don't move all that often primarily due to the confinement of hunting my own{small} piece of property. What I have\am trying to do is set ladder stands in what I feel are the best places. We currently have six ladder stands, two shooting houses and I use two climbers of which one stays on the ridge\prop line and I will move it back and forth{ anywhere within about 800 ft of ridgeline}
All of this on 80+- acres.
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#2080096 - 09/21/10 12:12 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
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10 times?Id be gone long before that

LOL, me and you both! If I sat a stand 10 times it would be because I was having great success in it!
If I hunted a stand 10 times it would be because my butt was glued to it. Very seldom hunt a spot more than once.
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#2080100 - 09/21/10 12:16 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
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10 times?Id be gone long before that

LOL, me and you both! If I sat a stand 10 times it would be because I was having great success in it!
If I hunted a stand 10 times it would be because my butt was glued to it. Very seldom hunt a spot more than once.

Exactly right, my time is way too precious and the season way too short to waste 4 or 5 days on a place that isnt producing!
I work for a living and dont have the luxury of hunting every day for 3 months, therefore I have to make good decisions the first time on stand placement. Im not always right for sure, but I would never sit 4 or 5 days in the wrong place, on purpose! ;\)

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#2080104 - 09/21/10 12:21 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it.


I try never to hunt the same stand twice in an entire year.


This is a good rule of thumb no doubt. On average Bryan, how many " calendar days" do you hunt in a year? I assume you have numerous ladder stands to accomplish this.
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#2080148 - 09/21/10 12:40 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Andy S.]
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on our small piece of land(22 acres) i don't have the luxury of multiple stand sites. some stands may get hunted 25+ times a year and all continue to produce all season long.

in morgan co., there is a little more room and after the 3rd sit with no sightings, i will move.
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#2080186 - 09/21/10 12:57 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it.


I try never to hunt the same stand twice in an entire year.


Im in the middle. I hunt my best stands 2 or 3 times. However, this time of year I am all over the board. I bounce from feeding locals that I found before season. I might hunt a particular oak flat or food source a couple times then I move...ideally before I burn a hunt sitting on an over pressured food source/pattern.

During the rut I get in travel cooridors and will sit tighter waiting for the right buck.

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#2080199 - 09/21/10 01:09 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it.


I try never to hunt the same stand twice in an entire year.


This is a good rule of thumb no doubt. On average Bryan, how many " calendar days" do you hunt in a year? I assume you have numerous ladder stands to accomplish this.


40 ladder stand, and I average about 30-35 hunts per year.
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#2080249 - 09/21/10 01:43 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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I dont over hunt an area often but, when I do normally I realize that Im doing just cant help myself for some reason. I fiqure if by the second time in a spot Im not in postion to kill a deer I probably will never be and move on.
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#2080266 - 09/21/10 01:59 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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From the some of the post I can see why some would be concerned of Bow Hunters tromping around too much scaring out all the deer.
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#2080276 - 09/21/10 02:08 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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If we're talking about mature bucks, I don't understand why anyone would think an area is worthy of stand placement, yet think said stand should only be hunted once or a few times. I don't expect to see mature bucks very often, and I certainly don't expect to see one within the first few times I hunt a stand, though I know it's possible. If I feel i'm in the "right" spot, then I have no problem playing the waiting game, and I get the feeling that moving around too much might hurt my chances with a mature buck while at the same time improve my sightings of other deer.

I do agree that at certain times, especially when food sources are being discovered, mobility is important for overall deer sightings. I guess it just depends on how one measures success. Some need to see deer almost every sitting to feel like they're on top of things, others are content without consistent and predictable sightings, as long as they feel a spot will produce eventually.

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#2080511 - 09/21/10 05:09 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: redcorn]
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Many of my set ups will only get hunted once a season. If I do hunt a stand more than once, I never hunt it twice in the same week.
I save my best set ups for the rut. When the rut rolls around, I will hunt the same tree for 2 or 3 days in a row, usually (hopefully) as all day sits.

Scout thoroughly in the post season and keep scouting as needed throughout the year. I almost always end up making some adaptations on new areas. I think if I hunted the same three stands on the same property year after year, I would lose interest. The unknown of unhunted trees and new areas or pockets of areas is always exciting and motivating.
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#2080523 - 09/21/10 05:22 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
I think if I hunted the same three stands on the same property year after year, I would lose interest. The unknown of unhunted trees and new areas or pockets of areas is always exciting and motivating.


One of the benefits of always hunting a different stand is "new views" every hunt. I think that helps.
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#2080605 - 09/21/10 06:23 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: mathews338]
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I MOVE ALOT BECAUSE OF THE WIND LIKES TO SWIRL IN THE HOLLARS I HUNT FROM DIFF DIRECTIONS FROM DAY TO DAY THATS WHY HUNT A CLIMBER MOST OF THE TIME BUT I DO HAVE A FEW STAND SETUPS THATS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS I MIGHT TWEEK THEM FROM TIME TO TIME BUT ITS USUALLY ALWAYS WITHIN 50 TO 75 YARDS FROM THE ORIGINAL POSITION
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#2080651 - 09/21/10 06:58 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: SHAGEE]
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I hunt a very big tract of public land that allows me to be extremely mobile. I would say that if I had to pick a single reason for the success that I have had its been constantly moving stand locations and not pressuring mature deer or allowing them to pattern me. In contrast if I had to pick one reason that has contributed to getting skunked for the year it would be over hunting a spot.

As for being a bow hunter and trampling through the woods. A trip in to a stand is a trip in to a stand no matter what weapon I chose to carry or whether its the one you hunted yesterday or one you have never hunted, I cant see the difference or the point.

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#2080671 - 09/21/10 07:14 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: mathews338]
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I hunt public, so I constantly have to adjust. I believe my willingness and ability to do so is a big part of my success. I watch hunter's hunt the same set ups over and over and then usually listen to them tell me how it has been a tough or slow season.
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#2080684 - 09/21/10 07:19 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I like to Archery hunt deer where they are feeding, this allows for multiple shot opportunities at motionless deer with many angles. The only way to do this is to be very mobile, as their feeding patterns and places is changing constantly right now.
I like the higher % shots at relaxed feeding deer vs. hunting a strict travel corridor where the deer are on the move and your trying to get a good shot with a bow!


Same here. 3 years ago I was in Ohio bowhunting. Does were feeding all morning just out of range and I new it was just a matter of time until a buck showed up. At 9:30, I moved my stand 20 yards from it original spot, closer to where the does were. 10:00 I had an arrow in this buck. I'd like to claim that it was because I was wearing my lucky hat, but reality says it's because I was willing to be mobile.


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#2080716 - 09/21/10 07:35 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Buzzard Breath]
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 Originally Posted By: buzz mcmanus
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I like to Archery hunt deer where they are feeding, this allows for multiple shot opportunities at motionless deer with many angles. The only way to do this is to be very mobile, as their feeding patterns and places is changing constantly right now.
I like the higher % shots at relaxed feeding deer vs. hunting a strict travel corridor where the deer are on the move and your trying to get a good shot with a bow!


Same here. 3 years ago I was in Ohio bowhunting. Does were feeding all morning just out of range and I new it was just a matter of time until a buck showed up. At 9:30, I moved my stand 20 yards from it original spot, closer to where the does were. 10:00 I had an arrow in this buck. I'd like to claim that it was because I was wearing my lucky hat, but reality says it's because I was willing to be mobile.


That's awesome. It's pointless to sit somewhere waiting for the deer to change their preferences and their behavior. If you see them feeding somewhere, get there. They'll be back.
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#2080847 - 09/21/10 08:21 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it.


I try never to hunt the same stand twice in an entire year.


then you either have tons of stands or go far less than i do.....I have been known to go 70 times or more......my record on Chaney one time was well over 70 log ins....that may have been 6-7 years ago....

That's with just three stands. I did move each one a few times each......
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#2080945 - 09/21/10 09:10 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
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Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it.


I try never to hunt the same stand twice in an entire year.


then you either have tons of stands or go far less than i do.....I have been known to go 70 times or more......my record on Chaney one time was well over 70 log ins....that may have been 6-7 years ago....

That's with just three stands. I did move each one a few times each......
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#2080967 - 09/21/10 09:21 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I think finding main and preferred food sources is essentially important, but we don't see many mature bucks during daylight hours at feeding sites, and don't expect to unless that food source is perfectly located very near thick cover or bedding area.

We try to place stands on well established travel routes, as close to cover as possible, and in places where the probability of intercepting a mature buck is greatest. When one finds such a place, I see no reason to move that stand unless a better tree in the immediate area is noticed. Of course it's a good idea to pick and chose the best times to actually hunt out of any particular stand, but as far as stand placement goes, I think land features and other permanent or semi-permanent factors are just as important as food sources when hunting mature deer.

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#2081090 - 09/21/10 10:46 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: redcorn]
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99% of the time I'm hunting from my climber in a different location on most hunts with my bow. With my gun I'm almost always hunting from the ground in areas that are really hard to get to. I will focus on certian areas and jump around them with my climber quit a bit. I did hunt one tree about 6 times last year and almost shot the deer I was after on day 3. I finally shot that deer not 100 yards from that tree at the end of the season. It all really depends with me, if I feel like the deer has no idea I'm hunting him then I stay in the area. I just really have to get a feel for the situation.
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#2081280 - 09/22/10 07:36 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
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Under normal conditions, if unsuccessful, I will hunt a stand setup less than ten times before moving it.


I try never to hunt the same stand twice in an entire year.


then you either have tons of stands or go far less than i do.....I have been known to go 70 times or more......my record on Chaney one time was well over 70 log ins....that may have been 6-7 years ago....

That's with just three stands. I did move each one a few times each......


I don't get to hunt that much. I average 30-35 times in a season. And yes, I have a lot of stands (40).
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#2081285 - 09/22/10 07:38 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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Without question, a climbing stand is the way to stay mobile. I just hate them.
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#2081295 - 09/22/10 07:47 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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I think many hunters just don't realize how much scent the human body sheds on a daily basis, nor how long that scent lingers. The human body sheds upwards of half a million dead skin cells per day. Our bodies are also constantly shedding head and body hair. Our clothes are constantly shedding fibers. This is how a bloodhound tracks a person--through shed skin, hair and fibers. A deer has as good as if not a better nose than a bloodhound.

As we sit on a stand, we are shedding scent and that scent settles on the ground around the stand and downwind of the stand. That scent will linger for a long time (days if not weeks). A deer does not have to "bust" us while in stand to know we've been there, and it doesn't take any "reasoning power" to avoid that location. A hunter-wary deer moving through the location of a stand we hunted recently encounters all the human scent in the area (where the rest of the year little to no human scent occurs) and simply avoids that location in the future (or only travels through that area at night). That doesn't take brain power. It's simply a direct response to a direct stimulus.
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#2081304 - 09/22/10 07:52 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: redcorn]
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 Originally Posted By: redcorn
I think finding main and preferred food sources is essentially important, but we don't see many mature bucks during daylight hours at feeding sites, and don't expect to unless that food source is perfectly located very near thick cover or bedding area.

We try to place stands on well established travel routes, as close to cover as possible, and in places where the probability of intercepting a mature buck is greatest. When one finds such a place, I see no reason to move that stand unless a better tree in the immediate area is noticed. Of course it's a good idea to pick and chose the best times to actually hunt out of any particular stand, but as far as stand placement goes, I think land features and other permanent or semi-permanent factors are just as important as food sources when hunting mature deer.

I couldnt agree more, starting in about a month! Right now the mature bucks are not on their feet very much during daylight hours, they are not covering ground and walking through those natural funnels and pinch points created by the terrain very much. They will however move a short distance to a preferred food source, and when the conditions are right they will mess up and leave a littlwe early or stay a little late. This is what gets a few of them killed this time of year! Heres a perfect example, I killed this buck a couple years ago on Sep 28'th. Season had been open for almost a month (KY) and I waited patiently for the first real front of the season to come in, and allow me to hunt this particular stand. I sat in the rain most all of the day on this Thursday with steady dropping temps and a low of 40 forecasted for the night, and when he slipped out of the 50 acre thicket behind me, there was maybe 5 mins of shooting light left and he was the 17'th deer I had saw and the 10'th buck!
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#2081306 - 09/22/10 07:53 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
Deer do the same thing pretty much every year in the mountains so I dont really do alot of moving unless Im hunting a new property and am trying to find the travel routes that will be the same year after year after year.


Same here!

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#2081360 - 09/22/10 08:23 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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I agree that in an ideal world, changing stands every day would be beneficial....however, depending upon how much ground we hunt, moving every day would leave more of our scent over more area....IMO. I guess that if you have a thousand acres to hunt and do not have to worry about stepping on other hunters' toes, then you could do that.

Most times, I try to keep my scent down by NOT going anywhere except my stand sites, direct routes in and out. When possible, I try to not walk across trails or areas with lots of deer sign. Hunting in agricultural areas, I believe that deer will tolerate a certain amount of human scent without changing their habits. They can tell if a scent is recent or not.... recent being that day. As much human activity that takes place during the season while farmers are still in the field and while they are harvesting their crops or clipping stalks or planting wheat, I believe that deer get used to a certain amount of human scent in the area. many times rabbit and squirrel hunters are in the woods as well....

I try to locate my stand downwind of most of the deer activity. Not just deer activity while I'm there but activity, period.

Again, in most areas around here, Humans are in the woods or around the fields a great deal of the time. people cut wood for personal use, they hunt other game, they work for logging companies, and more.

One time during the last segment of a dove season, I was involved with shooting a field during a snow storm. It was really cool to watch the doves swarm the field during the snow.....After about an hour or so of constant shooting, one of my buddies walked into a thicket within 50 yards of where he was shooting to relieve himself. He jumped a couple of deer up......

Being within 100 yards of a house, these deer had grown so used to human activity, they didn't feel the urgancy to bolt simply because of a little shooting .....it took this guy almost stepping on them to get them up.

I've spooked deer plenty of time out of fields and had them come back within 30 minutes.......I've had deer wind me and spook until they got out of the wind and when they couldn't pick my scent up anymore, they calmed back down and went about their way......I've had deer wind me one day and come back later that afternoon......

I believe that deer in ag areas get so used to human activity that they have to FEEL threatened before they will do anything more than "take notice" of human scent.....especially if the scent is not RECENT.

I will let a stand rest for a few days after I have hunted it for a few days in a row......other than that, most guys like me don't have the convenience of hunting a stand one time a year.
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#2081431 - 09/22/10 08:59 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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BH,

Without question deer become accustomed to "normal" human activity. But don't underestimate a deer's ability to differentiate between "normal" activity and hunting activity. I've watched individual deer completely ignore a person's scent in areas where it occurs regularly (like in and around food plots and agricultural fields) but then nearly jump out of it's skin when the same deer encountered the same person's scent where it doesn't normally occur except during hunting season.
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#2081473 - 09/22/10 09:20 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
I hunt public, so I constantly have to adjust. I believe my willingness and ability to do so is a big part of my success. I watch hunter's hunt the same set ups over and over and then usually listen to them tell me how it has been a tough or slow season.
that just tells me they were in the wrong place, i also hunt public land some and every time i go, i go to the same stand and see deer every time and kill good bucks every year out of the same old spot

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#2081673 - 09/22/10 11:18 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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BH,

Without question deer become accustomed to "normal" human activity. But don't underestimate a deer's ability to differentiate between "normal" activity and hunting activity. I've watched individual deer completely ignore a person's scent in areas where it occurs regularly (like in and around food plots and agricultural fields) but then nearly jump out of it's skin when the same deer encountered the same person's scent where it doesn't normally occur except during hunting season.


I agree somewhat, but I don't think that a deer can distinguish between a hunter's scent left while going to a stand and hunting and someone else simply walking through the area...like a farmer or landowner checking on his land or maybe doing some fencing or other activity....

Public land that is rarely used except during hunting season would be different, of course.....

Also...while we're on scent....I have always thought that deer react differently based on how many of it's senses detect danger.......simply smelling human scent may alert a deer but not always spook them. Now, seeing or hearing someone coming in and then catching their scent as well may blow a deer clean out of the area.......

I think that a deer's curiousity sometimes makes it less willing to bolt away and more willing to check into possible danger and maybe be more alert and not simply blowing out of an area....

Also, I think that deer learn from past encounters and educate themselves to react a certain way. Simple age without exposure does not necessarily change a nature deer and make it more wary...IMO.

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#2081709 - 09/22/10 11:51 AM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
I agree somewhat, but I don't think that a deer can distinguish between a hunter's scent left while going to a stand and hunting and someone else simply walking through the area...like a farmer or landowner checking on his land or maybe doing some fencing or other activity....


It's amazing how infrequently even a farmer or the landdowner walks through parts of their property where they do the most hunting. Heck, I've owned my property for almost 25 years and there are some areas I might walk through--outside of hunting season--only once every 5 years or so.

But you're correct, if non-hunting human activity is common in an area, hunters can get away with much more scent deposition without causing deer to alter their patterns.
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#2081726 - 09/22/10 12:06 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: BSK]
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I've seen deer that are feeding simply drop to their knees for cover when a tractor comes by or a farmer walks the fence line, only to resume feeding activity immediately. Yet, if I stalk to the tree stand the same will sound the horn and run like the wind.
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#2081746 - 09/22/10 12:19 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Poser]
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Maybe deer relate the STALKING action (slow gait and stopping) as threatening, while a farmer walking along at a steady pace may not seem as threatening......

Just like when you drive up in a truck .....unless you open the door, many deer will simply watch the truck.

many times a moving wheeler will not spook a deer, but if one stops, then they bolt......

also, a walking hunter that does not come in eye contact with a deer will get little reaction. But, if the deer sees you stop and especially if you are looking at them, they bolt.....

many variables......
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#2081772 - 09/22/10 12:32 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Maybe deer relate the STALKING action (slow gait and stopping) as threatening, while a farmer walking along at a steady pace may not seem as threatening......

Just like when you drive up in a truck .....unless you open the door, many deer will simply watch the truck.

many times a moving wheeler will not spook a deer, but if one stops, then they bolt......

also, a walking hunter that does not come in eye contact with a deer will get little reaction. But, if the deer sees you stop and especially if you are looking at them, they bolt.....

many variables......

Your getting closer BH, your getting closer! Common sense goes a long way in knowing what spooks deer, dont make it harder than it is!

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#2081920 - 09/22/10 02:15 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: Winchester]
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I once watched a friend crawl on his hands and knees and got pretty close to a deer . It never spooked until he stood up....funny and very cool to watch....

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#2082107 - 09/22/10 05:06 PM Re: Making adjustments........? [Re: redcorn]
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 Originally Posted By: redcorn
I think finding main and preferred food sources is essentially important, but we don't see many mature bucks during daylight hours at feeding sites, and don't expect to unless that food source is perfectly located very near thick cover or bedding area.


I agree. I have never killed a mature buck over a food source. I quit trying a long time ago.
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