#2076417 - 09/18/10 10:57 PM
the magic of the rut moon
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waynecountybooner
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the "rut moon" is suppose to be late this year any thoughts on how it will effect the rut... or will it not for those that dont beleive in a rutting moon?
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#2076511 - 09/19/10 06:00 AM
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Well, not that is mattes but the moon should be perfect for deer movement for the rut for my area of TN in Wayne County. New moon is Dec. 5 which is just about peak rutting time at our place. Full moon hits the 21st which will make the end of the rut suck for movement but bucks cruising for the last doe or two might draw them out.
In past years, I would really look forward to it but with no late mzl now, I guess I'll get the bow out.
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#2076561 - 09/19/10 07:40 AM
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The moon has no effect on rut timing.
Although it may have minmal effects on daylight deer movement.
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#2076950 - 09/19/10 02:03 PM
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The moon has no effect on rut timing.
Although it may have minmal effects on daylight deer movement.
you really think that the moon has no effect what so ever on the rut
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#2076979 - 09/19/10 02:44 PM
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I don't believe the moon has an affect either with the exception like BSK said "it may affect daylight movements"(clear night vs cloudy night). There is a study that suggest the angle of sunlight as the earth move on its orbit will trigger a component in the deer brain through the deers orbital. The amount of light or angle of light will vary from area to area based on geographical location and even terrain features within a local area. Example being rut action on one side of the county but not the other. The north and mid-west get less light earlier than the south so their rut will start sooner on average. Not to mention that less sun equals cooler temps. Thats why I believe some people consider weather the more important factor but last year while I was reading peoples post of not seeing any rut action and it must be going on at night, I was seeing tremendous action during the 11am-1pm time frame. I personally now believe in this angle of sunlight theory and am going to worry less about weather or the moon and just try to be in the woods during that November window of opportunity.
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#2077008 - 09/19/10 03:13 PM
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I believe the second full moon after the autumnal equniox is prime time!
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#2077067 - 09/19/10 04:30 PM
Re: the magic of the rut moon
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The moon has no effect on rut timing.
Although it may have minmal effects on daylight deer movement.
you really think that the moon has no effect what so ever on the rut
Proven fact.
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#2077077 - 09/19/10 04:39 PM
Re: the magic of the rut moon
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I don't believe the moon has an affect either with the exception like BSK said "it may affect daylight movements"(clear night vs cloudy night). There is a study that suggest the angle of sunlight as the earth move on its orbit will trigger a component in the deer brain through the deers orbital. The amount of light or angle of light will vary from area to area based on geographical location and even terrain features within a local area. Example being rut action on one side of the county but not the other. The north and mid-west get less light earlier than the south so their rut will start sooner on average. Not to mention that less sun equals cooler temps. Thats why I believe some people consider weather the more important factor but last year while I was reading peoples post of not seeing any rut action and it must be going on at night, I was seeing tremendous action during the 11am-1pm time frame. I personally now believe in this angle of sunlight theory and am going to worry less about weather or the moon and just try to be in the woods during that November window of opportunity.
Very close Tomahawk. A small gland in the deer brain measures the length of the nights as the seasons change. When the length of the nights in fall reaches a genetically predetermined length, estrus is triggered in females.
Now exactly what that length of the nights is will be different from location to location. And estrus timing in does is driven by fawn survival. The time of year that produces the highest fawn survival will drive estrus timing 200 days earlier. Natural Selection will genetically program this into the majority of the females.
In areas where there is a small window of opportunity for fawn births that produce high survival rates, the genetic program will be deeply ingrained. A prime example is the far North, where fawns born too early in spring will be killed by late spring snow-storms and cold snaps, while being born too late in summer does not allow enough growing time before the brutal winters set in. In these regions, a fawn must reach 80 pounds before the winter to stand a good chance of survival. This creates a very sharply defined rut to producing fawning at just the right time in late spring and early summer.
However, in areas where a very wide window of high fawn survival exists, the genetic estrus timing is not as sharply defined. In Central America, the weather hardly changes throughout the year. Because of his, no "best" time for fawn survival exists, hence breeding occurs all year round with white-tails in this region.
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#2077118 - 09/19/10 05:28 PM
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Just remember that when hunters see the most rutting activity during daylight doesn't always correspond with the peak of breeding. Most breeding occurs at night, but sudden changes in the weather and possibly moon conditions causes the normal nocturnal rutting activity to shift into daylight, fooling hunters into thinking they are seeing the peak of the rut.
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