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#2065490 - 09/10/10 05:33 PM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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#2065606 - 09/10/10 07:33 PM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: bobthebowhunter
 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy

- Not Accepted - Probably the most important fact is it is widely frowned upon by the hunting and non-hunting communities.


Yup! Shooting an animal over a pile of corn isn't hunting. Shooting yes, but not hunting.



Yep, I look at it as pure laziness. You gotta earn it, and that is the fun/satisfying part. besides think of what you're missing by sitting over the same corn pile every hunt.

I don't sit over the same pile every hunt,just every other time! It's to tiring to make a new pile each time.. \:\/
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#2065670 - 09/10/10 08:35 PM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
 Originally Posted By: Coach
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Many reasons exist not to allow baiting. Disease transmission is only one of those reasons.


Just curious...what are some of them BSK?


Not BSK but...

(FYI - these are simply a few of many examples.)

- Behavioral Impacts - Deer adjust their feeding behaviors according to the supplemental feed. Some may even decrease their diurnal feeding and go to strictly nocturnal feeding patterns.

- Physiological Impacts - Ozaga and Verme showed excessive neonatal mortality among 2 and 3 year old females as crowding increased in fed populations.

- Increased Parasite Loads - The density of animals in a group and the frequency of their contact is correlated to the spread of disease and parasites (Martin et al. 1987, Thrusfield 1997).

- Increased Disease Spread - The increased spread of Bovine brucellosis, Bovine tuberculosis, and CWD can all be attributed to supplemental feeding (various researchers).

- Decreased Hunter Success Rates - A South Carolina study discovered hunter success rates were lower in areas of the state where baiting was allowed versus areas where baiting was illegal (Ruth 2007).

- Non-target Species Concerns - Supplemental feeding does not target only one species. Corn often supplied for deer has resulted in high turkey mortality when aflatoxin infects the bait site. Many other furbearers are negatively affected by feed sites.

- Human Conflict - The enjoyment of one may be the nuisance of others. Many complaints are registered when folks feed wildlife. Often times neighbors that don't want the animals around experience damage to their property.

- Human Safety Concerns - Improperly placed feed sites may increase automobile collisions.

- Wildlife Habituation - A fed bear is a dead bear. Enough said.

- Not Accepted - Probably the most important fact is it is widely frowned upon by the hunting and non-hunting communities.

I could actually list more but I really got get working on something else.


why is it legal to feed wildlife then?
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#2065684 - 09/10/10 08:51 PM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy

- Not Accepted - Probably the most important fact is it is widely frowned upon by the hunting and non-hunting communities.


Yup! Shooting an animal over a pile of corn isn't hunting. Shooting yes, but not hunting.


Same thing could be said about a corn field...to me, there isn't any differents
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#2065800 - 09/10/10 10:28 PM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: A.Hall]
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I dont buy the over crowding thing one bit! I run feeders during the off-season (which I guess disease only affects deer during hunting season) and I have never seen an over crowding problem on my cameras. Usually there are a select few "regulars" on my cameras, and I am in unit L---so there is no shortage of deer.
As for food plots and feeders being different, the intentions are the same. The day that I see a big group of hunters get together and organize plot planting on some land where no hunting is allowed, I will believe that they are doing it for the wildlife and not their personal gratification. IMO ones outlook on the ethics of baiting has become a thing of influence from others, like crossbows, "matures", trophies, a post on here that says "should I shoot him?"--ETC

I am neutral on all hunting tactics, and only do what is legal. However, if dispersed from a closed feeder, I dont see the difference in slinging it with a feeder motor or a combine

Maybe I should get to the farm in the morning and fire up the ol saw and get those dang persimmon trees out of there before all of my deer get disease from feeding in a 30 foot circle

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#2065942 - 09/11/10 06:57 AM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: A.Hall]
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy

- Not Accepted - Probably the most important fact is it is widely frowned upon by the hunting and non-hunting communities.


Yup! Shooting an animal over a pile of corn isn't hunting. Shooting yes, but not hunting.


Same thing could be said about a corn field...to me, there isn't any differents
Guess that all depends on how big the field is. Try getting a mature buck to come out within 30 yards of your stand in a 50 acre corn field. They always seen to come out on other end of the field. With corn in a pile they will always come to the same spot. Big difference!!
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#2065946 - 09/11/10 07:00 AM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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Costs a BUNCH of money,dont want to feel like I need to get in a "corn war" with neighbors if its legalized,been there,done that in SC.
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#2065985 - 09/11/10 07:59 AM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: DWM]
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 Originally Posted By: DWM
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy

- Not Accepted - Probably the most important fact is it is widely frowned upon by the hunting and non-hunting communities.


Yup! Shooting an animal over a pile of corn isn't hunting. Shooting yes, but not hunting.


Same thing could be said about a corn field...to me, there isn't any differents
Guess that all depends on how big the field is. Try getting a mature buck to come out within 30 yards of your stand in a 50 acre corn field. They always seen to come out on other end of the field. With corn in a pile they will always come to the same spot. Big difference!!


No sir. It doesn't matter if you have a pile 30 yds or a 50 acre corn field, you are still hunting over an attractant/bait. Oh BTW, bucks don't always walk out on the other side of the field
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#2066748 - 09/11/10 05:37 PM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: A.Hall]
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: DWM
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy

- Not Accepted - Probably the most important fact is it is widely frowned upon by the hunting and non-hunting communities.


Yup! Shooting an animal over a pile of corn isn't hunting. Shooting yes, but not hunting.


Same thing could be said about a corn field...to me, there isn't any differents
Guess that all depends on how big the field is. Try getting a mature buck to come out within 30 yards of your stand in a 50 acre corn field. They always seen to come out on other end of the field. With corn in a pile they will always come to the same spot. Big difference!!


No sir. It doesn't matter if you have a pile 30 yds or a 50 acre corn field, you are still hunting over an attractant/bait. Oh BTW, bucks don't always walk out on the other side of the field


True they don't always come out on the other side of the field. Now if you believe hunting a 50 acre food source is no more challenging that a pile of corn poured out in one location then there is no need for me to try to explain the difference.
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#2066813 - 09/11/10 06:26 PM Re: BAITING CORN OBSERVATION QUESTIONS... [Re: DWM]
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Slinging corn, piling apples, hunting over an apple tree that is dropping its apples, hunting over a persimmon tree that is dropping its persimmons and planting a food plot is all the same. If it is an attempt to draw wildlife to your location it is baiting, ethical or unethical, whatever. But I do know people on this very website use corn for their trailcams when it is legal and then argue that it spreads diseases when it is illegal. For goodness sakes lets just go hunting, now I got to go shake an apple tree. I've only got 4 more days before I'm unethical.
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