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#2063584 - 09/09/10 11:33 AM Esplain me sumpin???
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I have heard or read this statement or somethng like it many times. "I passed him up with a rifle/mzl but I would take him with a bow."

What's the difference? He is dead either way and his antlers are the same size either way. yes, a bow is more challenging to the hunter but it does nothing to change the size or trophyism of the animal.

If I would kill him with a bow, I'd dang sure do it with a rifle. So what's up with that?
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#2063588 - 09/09/10 11:36 AM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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Who knows?!?!

I just enjoy killing deer. It is very satisfying.

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#2063594 - 09/09/10 11:39 AM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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some times its more about the zone to me then just killin the critter(buck or doe)....I might make an attempt at a deer with a bow at 25 yards that I wouldn't shoot with a gun at the same yardage...but put the same deer out there at 175 to 225 yards and I just might decide take it out with the gun then...or not...hogs are a differant story...



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#2063643 - 09/09/10 12:21 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: tndrbstr]
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I bow hunt the entire year with a few exceptions. Last year I bought a MZ and hunted the two week season. Killed a 4 point with it because my son was with me and he said "shoot". Plus it was fun. Then killed a nice 8 point 2 days later. then the following day had another 8 about the same size stop 20 yards away. Could just not bring myself to tag out on bucks with a gun. Now if that same buck had come on the following week when I had a bow in my hand I would had flung and arrow. To me it just means more with a bow. Yea they are dead either way but its not the killing thats fun its the hunting.
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#2063691 - 09/09/10 12:48 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: WRbowhunter]
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I think that statement would be about "personal bests" and challenges. Each person hunts and either shoots or passes on deer for their own reasons/abilities.

The harder a challenge becomes, the "bigger" a trophy gets. If its easy to shoot small bucks at distance with a rifle, the challenge is not there for that individual. Bring them in closer with a bow and the challenge becomes greater.
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#2063693 - 09/09/10 12:50 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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I know why I say it. It's b/c I've killed much bigger animals with firearms than with a bow, and to catch up with my firearm kills, I have to start somewhere. A nice little forky or six pt will be in danger of getting an arrow flung at it by me, whereas I would pass now with a firearm.
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#2063694 - 09/09/10 12:50 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: WRbowhunter]
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For those who place more emphasis on the process than the possession, I believe it has to do with each individual deciding what constitutes an acceptable level of challenge given the circumstances. Shooting a buck with a rifle from 200 yards away is simply not as challenging as getting close enough to kill it with a bow.

Kinda goes back to what someone here (can't remember who) said about doing whatever makes you happy.
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#2063697 - 09/09/10 12:54 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: WRbowhunter]
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"Killed a 4 point with it because my son was with me and he said "shoot". Plus it was fun. Then killed a nice 8 point 2 days later. then the following day had another 8 about the same size stop 20 yards away. Could just not bring myself to tag out on bucks with a gun."
If it was still MZ season when you passed on "another 8 about the same size stop 20 yards away" you did yourself favor. The limit is two with any one type of weapon per year.

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#2063703 - 09/09/10 12:58 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I have heard or read this statement or somethng like it many times. "I passed him up with a rifle/mzl but I would take him with a bow."

What's the difference? He is dead either way and his antlers are the same size either way. yes, a bow is more challenging to the hunter but it does nothing to change the size or trophyism of the animal.

If I would kill him with a bow, I'd dang sure do it with a rifle. So what's up with that?


Well on my perspective I havn't had a chance at a trophy(to me) with a bow so that would be my thought process on the topic . Well I fibbed a little , I shot one down here at the plant once that was a good one but never did find it after looking all day . Down to drops of blood but he went on to the adjoining property and I think one of those guys found him (anyway that's what a friend of mine said that lives close to the plant). Not to hijack this thread but larger bucks during bow season seem to always elude me and that maybe the case to some of these hunters that state this phrase ! Who knows .
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#2063705 - 09/09/10 12:58 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: oldmanelrod]
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 Originally Posted By: oldmanelrod
you did yourself favor. The limit is two with any one type of weapon per year.


This regulation was not in place last season, nor is it this season.


Edited by Andy S. (09/09/10 01:02 PM)
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#2063716 - 09/09/10 01:04 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I have heard or read this statement or somethng like it many times. "I passed him up with a rifle/mzl but I would take him with a bow."

What's the difference? He is dead either way and his antlers are the same size either way. yes, a bow is more challenging to the hunter but it does nothing to change the size or trophyism of the animal.

If I would kill him with a bow, I'd dang sure do it with a rifle. So what's up with that?



I agree 100 percent, sir.
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#2063729 - 09/09/10 01:14 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Andy S.]
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#2063750 - 09/09/10 01:25 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I have heard or read this statement or somethng like it many times. "I passed her up at 10 o'clock but she got to lookin better at closin time!.. \:D What's the difference?


I fixed your question there BW...that may be a little of the same theology!..

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#2063761 - 09/09/10 01:33 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I have heard or read this statement or somethng like it many times. "I passed her up at 10 o'clock but she got to lookin better at closin time!.. \:D What's the difference?


I fixed your question there BW...that may be a little of the same theology!..





I like it! \:D
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#2063779 - 09/09/10 01:39 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Andy S.]
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#2063806 - 09/09/10 02:00 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: DOC1187]
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I guess the same reason Pope & Young accept a smaller score on a deer head than Boone & Crocket
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#2063812 - 09/09/10 02:04 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I have heard or read this statement or somethng like it many times. "I passed her up at 10 o'clock but she got to lookin better at closin time!.. \:D What's the difference?


I fixed your question there BW...that may be a little of the same theology!..





I like it! \:D

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#2063853 - 09/09/10 02:35 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Gray Ghost]
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 Originally Posted By: Gray Ghost
I guess the same reason Pope & Young accept a smaller score on a deer head than Boone & Crocket

There you have it! Old bucks are in most cases much harder to kill with a bow because of its range limitations, therefore making it much harder to kill a mature/trophy buck at inside 30 yards, vs. say 300 yards. And thats just the tip of the iceberg, you have to draw your bow unseen by the deer at close range, make a good shot with a good angle, then be able to blood trail accordingly, etc, etc. Many and most times with a gun you can drop a deer on the spot from many angles at most any range, with a huge amount of shock. Whereas a bow is from massive hemmorage only unless you spine him.
Bottom line is they are much harder to kill and you must be much more skilled to consistently kill them with a bow.

All that being said, I now require them to suit a certain criteria regardless of weapon, but that wasnt always the case.

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#2063855 - 09/09/10 02:41 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Winchester]
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BW, doesn't make sense to me either. Which ever weapon I have, if it will kill the animal, I'll do it. If I've got a bow and he's in range, I'll shoot. If I've got my rifle or ml, I'll shoot. Don't much care to have it scored or mounted. Not hunting for that reason.
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#2063902 - 09/09/10 03:57 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Andy S.]
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To me the its all about out smarting the bigger bucks. Come on they've been around and none of them are stupid. It's a lot harder to outsmart a buck with a bow than with a gun. Not only that but getting that class of buck within bow range is only the beggining. You still have to draw back, not get winded or seen, and have an accurate shot while wetting your pants or worse. To me it's about being up close.
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#2063912 - 09/09/10 04:06 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: deer f]
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I'm retired. I don't have to have a reason for what I do. One day I'll pass one up and bust the same deer the next morning. Best reasons to kill a (particular) buck:

He's a goodun.
It's way, way too cold out here.
It's gonna rain any minute now.
The wind's blowin' too hard.
It's day 23 and counting.
I haven't seen a buck in a week.
I'm bored completely out of my mind.
I have to go to the bathroom...really, really soon.
My brother got one yesterday.
It's 11:58 AM.
This stand is too small.
This stand is too shaky.
He's little, but he's goin' for the fence.

Bow or gun, don't matter. What I shoot and when I shoot it makes no sense at all. It's all just impulse.
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#2063913 - 09/09/10 04:08 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: deer f]
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So what most of you are saying it is about challenge not the size of the buck.

Now it really makes no sense. Just put up your bows and rifles and get a good spear.

Let me tell you what brought this on. I had the TV on for white noise and heard Don Kiske's voice so I glanced over. He had just shot about a 165 whitetail with bow from a ground blind in one of his cornfields, maybe a 10 yard shot. He proceeds to say he passed him up several times with a gun but just couldn't let him go with a bow. I promise you, the challenge was no greater with the bow than it was with a shotgun or mzl.

Most of the "good" bucks I have killed, I have killed with a bow. In fact, most of the bucks I have killed, I killed with a bow. But believe me, I would have shot any one of them with firearm. If I want to kill something, I want to kill no matter what I have in my hands. If it is all about challenge, put your guns up and start still hunting.
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#2063933 - 09/09/10 04:22 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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I suppose that's why some states have traditional weapon limations, and make you choose only one to use.
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#2063935 - 09/09/10 04:24 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Andy S.]
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To each his own.
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#2063945 - 09/09/10 04:30 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Now it really makes no sense.


I reckon thats the beauty of it BW,...It don't have to... ;\)



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#2063976 - 09/09/10 05:07 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: tndrbstr]
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I guess a little about challenge and bragging rights or sense of accomplishment of success based on that challenge for some.

Similar to the closing time scenario........

I would guess it's hard to feel "successful" or bragg to buddies about that really "HOT" hooker you paid last weekend. Just too easy and no challenge.

But now that really "HOT" lesbian you converted.........well, that's some braggin' rights there! \:D

Same deed just different circumstances. ;\)

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#2063982 - 09/09/10 05:13 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I have heard or read this statement or somethng like it many times. "I passed him up with a rifle/mzl but I would take him with a bow."

What's the difference? He is dead either way and his antlers are the same size either way. yes, a bow is more challenging to the hunter but it does nothing to change the size or trophyism of the animal.

If I would kill him with a bow, I'd dang sure do it with a rifle. So what's up with that?
I agree
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#2063992 - 09/09/10 05:22 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Camp]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp

I would guess it's hard to feel "successful" or bragg to buddies about that really "HOT" hooker you paid last weekend. Just too easy and no challenge.

But now that really "HOT" lesbian you converted.........well, that's some braggin' rights there! \:D

Same deed just different circumstances. ;\)





Either way and I'm one happy hunter!... \:D

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#2064180 - 09/09/10 07:48 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
I know why I say it. It's b/c I've killed much bigger animals with firearms than with a bow, and to catch up with my firearm kills, I have to start somewhere. A nice little forky or six pt will be in danger of getting an arrow flung at it by me, whereas I would pass now with a firearm.


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#2064182 - 09/09/10 07:53 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Cy]
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 Originally Posted By: Cy
I'm retired. I don't have to have a reason for what I do. One day I'll pass one up and bust the same deer the next morning. Best reasons to kill a (particular) buck:

He's a goodun.
It's way, way too cold out here.
It's gonna rain any minute now.
The wind's blowin' too hard.
It's day 23 and counting.
I haven't seen a buck in a week.
I'm bored completely out of my mind.
I have to go to the bathroom...really, really soon.
My brother got one yesterday.
It's 11:58 AM.
This stand is too small.
This stand is too shaky.
He's little, but he's goin' for the fence.

Bow or gun, don't matter. What I shoot and when I shoot it makes no sense at all. It's all just impulse.

I am not retired but I still don't have to have a reason to do what I do.

One more fror the list: My freezer is about empty or my neighbor needs some meat.
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#2064217 - 09/09/10 08:07 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: deer f]
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biggest with a bow is not the same as biggest with a gun...lol.



I agree...dead is dead......
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#2064609 - 09/10/10 06:28 AM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Andy S.]
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For me...it's tougher to kill a good buck with a bow than a rifle. I have to get him into my range with a bow instead of anywhere in a 2-300 yard range with my rifle.

For me, bow hunting is much harder so if I can convince a buck to come close enough to me through my stand placement, grunting, scents...I'm likely to stick him.

So, I'd be more apt to shoot a buck with my bow that I would pass with my rifle.
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#2064800 - 09/10/10 09:09 AM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Coach]
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maybe its a cull buck and he would rather cull it with a bow. \:\)
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#2064894 - 09/10/10 09:50 AM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Beekeeper]
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I promise you, the challenge was no greater with the bow than it was with a shotgun or mzl.

I disagree!
Just look at the differences, with a firearm, he could have killed the buck from 200 yards and barely ever moved at all in his ground blind, even made a marginal shot and relied on the shock to kill him or a quick follow up shot at the same distance.
Now take the Bow, I dont even have to explain what all has to happen to make a succesful kill on the same buck, but for starters 170 yards closer, and a good shot after drawing the bow undetected!
There is simply no comparison in the skill required!

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#2065185 - 09/10/10 01:19 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Winchester]
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I tried like heck to kill a split browed deer last year with a bow. I think the deer was only 2.5 but couldn't positively confirm it. I had a chance to get him 2 times with a rifle but elected to pass. Why? I do not know. May never see him again. I just had in my mind if I could arrow him I would, but if not I was gonna let him go. Doesn't make any sense to me why I rationalized this, but I did. I may do the same on a buck this year. My standards should be the same with any weapon in hand but for some reason, I lower them when I have a bow. I'm trying to rid myself of this mindset!
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#2065228 - 09/10/10 01:52 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Gray Ghost
I guess the same reason Pope & Young accept a smaller score on a deer head than Boone & Crocket

There you have it! Old bucks are in most cases much harder to kill with a bow because of its range limitations, therefore making it much harder to kill a mature/trophy buck at inside 30 yards, vs. say 300 yards. And thats just the tip of the iceberg, you have to draw your bow unseen by the deer at close range, make a good shot with a good angle, then be able to blood trail accordingly, etc, etc. Many and most times with a gun you can drop a deer on the spot from many angles at most any range, with a huge amount of shock. Whereas a bow is from massive hemmorage only unless you spine him.
Bottom line is they are much harder to kill and you must be much more skilled to consistently kill them with a bow.

All that being said, I now require them to suit a certain criteria regardless of weapon, but that wasnt always the case.


Well said and agree 100%
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#2065235 - 09/10/10 01:57 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Andy S.]
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Doesn't make much sense to me, especially since a bullet is a lot cheaper then an arrow/broadhead.... \:D
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#2065270 - 09/10/10 02:19 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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A shooter for a bow and a shooter for a gun are the same for me. I will shoot anything that scores around 120 or better. If I had my own place I would change the statement to include a mature buck that is 120 or better. I dont have my own land, however.
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#2065311 - 09/10/10 02:45 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Beekeeper]
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Have to disagree with ya BW..it makes perfect sense to me. They might not get another chance!

When someone knows that they can reach out and kill a buck at 300 yards or more they can afford to be more selective...they don't have to be but they can be. They can wait for a bigger bodied deer, a bigger racked deer, a smaller tastier deer..etc With a bow you sometimes really can't afford to be that selective.

However, if all you are talking about is trophy hunting then it wouldn't matter I guess... but my guess is most people will shoot a smaller bodied or smaller racked buck with a bow than with a gun and it makes perfect sense.
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#2065349 - 09/10/10 03:26 PM Re: Esplain me sumpin??? [Re: Coach]
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It wouldn't make a differnce to me what weapon is being used...if I'm going through the hassle of cutting,dragging and transporting, it's going to be a deer I'd be proud of.
Now that may be a 4-point who has an unusual rack, a nice coloring, or something else that catches my attention!

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