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#2062062 - 09/08/10 10:52 AM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: bowriter]
Don'tDrinkTinks
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oh and as far as shooting mature deer with small racks... i will gladly shoot any mature deer because in TN that is an accomplishment that isn't easy to accomplish. i think i read somewhere that the average age of bucks killed in TN is only 1.5.

if that's the case than that is sad. i may get flamed for this but that is why i would love to see a one buck rule put in place here. how many times do you think a TN hunter has killed a forked horn or young buck because he had a tag? just imagine the results after just 5 years of only being able to kill 1 buck.

yeah the midwest has large bucks because of the fertile soil and large areas of ag land but they have greater numbers of mature deer because noone in their right mind will end their season to kill a spike or a small immature deer.

ok i'm off my soap box now... flame on fellas.

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#2062074 - 09/08/10 10:58 AM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
MUP
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
But but but that's ALL I hear on the hunting shows! "We want to take this buck out of the heard b/c we don't want all these 8 pts mixing in and killing out the 10 pt genes." I've heard this exact quote.
That's hunting show-speak for "we've got to shoot something to keep our viewers interested and our sponsors satisfied. Can't call it a trophy, so we'll call it a cull. Yea, yea, that's it, a cull."


I can't remember which show it was, but the owner/rancher was instructing the "clients" to kill only the 8 pts to get them out of the herd so that the 10 pt genes would prevail.
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#2062160 - 09/08/10 12:16 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: MUP]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
But but but that's ALL I hear on the hunting shows! "We want to take this buck out of the heard b/c we don't want all these 8 pts mixing in and killing out the 10 pt genes." I've heard this exact quote.


And that's one of the many reasons I despise TV hunting shows. 99% of what you hear on those shows is absolute garbage.
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#2062179 - 09/08/10 12:33 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: BSK]
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One of my favorite examples. The below 6 1/2 year-old buck had a basic 8-point frame that only grossed 112. How many "trophy hunters" would give this buck a second look? I was thrilled to take him and he's still my proudest kill (how many hunters have killed a 6 1/2 year-old buck?).




Another example. This 4 1/2 year-old buck never grew all of his left antler. Even if he had, he would only have grossed in the 90s as a 10 point. This buck was a brother-in-law's first mature buck, and he was proud as heck to have killed it.



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#2062205 - 09/08/10 12:53 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: Don'tDrinkTinks]
BigGameGuy
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 Originally Posted By: Don'tDrinkTinks
i think i read somewhere that the average age of bucks killed in TN is only 1.5.


Tinks-

What is the percentage of bucks per age class in the TN harvest?
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#2062219 - 09/08/10 01:01 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: Don'tDrinkTinks]
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 Originally Posted By: Don'tDrinkTinks
oh and as far as shooting mature deer with small racks... i will gladly shoot any mature deer because in TN that is an accomplishment that isn't easy to accomplish. i think i read somewhere that the average age of bucks killed in TN is only 1.5.


That was true at one time, but not anymore. The age structure of harvested bucks has been steadily increasing, and as of last years stands at 38% yearlings, 41% 2 1/2 year-olds and 21% 3 1/2 and older bucks. Basically, only 2 out of every 5 bucks killed in TN is a yearling, and one in five is 3 1/2+.
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#2062234 - 09/08/10 01:09 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: BSK]
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What is it per unit??? Too big of a difference in hunting experiences/regulations for hunters in different units to encompass a statewide % imo.
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#2062245 - 09/08/10 01:16 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: BowGuy84]
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 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
Ive seen it used to justify killing of 5 points and cow horns. "His rack was unbalanced" "Cow horns make other cow horns" "Once a spike always a spike"...just a few quotes Ive heard misinformed, ignorant, or naive hunters make. Mostly it's just used to justify the killing of a buck to other hunters that the killer normally wouldn't feel proud of.

As has been said many times on here this forum is the exception to they typical hunter and not the rule. We waste more time all year long debating things that 99% of other hunters don't know and don't care to know. They know what their daddy told them and by gosh its as true as the stone tablets Abraham brought off the mountain...not much is going to change individuals like this. They are some of the best people and I'm not sure I'd like this place if they did change.




Ummmm that would be Moses who brought the tablets off the mountain.....Abraham is on the $5 bill

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#2062250 - 09/08/10 01:18 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: 51 pointer]
tndrbstr
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 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
Ive seen it used to justify killing of 5 points and cow horns. "His rack was unbalanced" "Cow horns make other cow horns" "Once a spike always a spike"...just a few quotes Ive heard misinformed, ignorant, or naive hunters make. Mostly it's just used to justify the killing of a buck to other hunters that the killer normally wouldn't feel proud of.

As has been said many times on here this forum is the exception to they typical hunter and not the rule. We waste more time all year long debating things that 99% of other hunters don't know and don't care to know. They know what their daddy told them and by gosh its as true as the stone tablets Abraham brought off the mountain...not much is going to change individuals like this. They are some of the best people and I'm not sure I'd like this place if they did change.




Ummmm that would be Moses who brought the tablets off the mountain.....Abraham is on the $5 bill


I was just gonna let that one slide!!.. \:D ...maybe is relevant to how true thier daddys advice was!! \:\)



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#2062257 - 09/08/10 01:22 PM Re: This Business of "Cull" Bucks [Re: Tree Tramp]
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 Originally Posted By: Tree Tramp
What is it per unit??? Too big of a difference in hunting experiences/regulations for hunters in different units to encompass a statewide % imo.


Region I

1 1/2: 38.5%
2 1/2: 44.8%
3 1/2+: 16.7%


Region II

1 1/2: 31.9%
2 1/2: 43.2%
3 1/2+: 24.9%


Region III

1 1/2: 45.5%
2 1/2: 37.9%
3 1/2+: 16.6%


Region IV

1 1/2: 45.7%
2 1/2: 36.1%
3 1/2+: 18.2%


By these numbers, it appear Region II has the best age structure and Region III the poorest. None of the regions have a harvest of yearlings exceeding 50%.
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