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#2045248 - 08/25/10 12:12 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
NoNtYpiCaL1
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: landman
Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields


In almost 20 years of food plotting, I've NEVER seen a mature buck in a field during daylight hours. I've got a few trail-cam pics of mature bucks in the plots during daylight, but those too are very rare.


Not sure what your definition of mature buck is but I have seen many mature deer in fields. One of guys I hunt with has 8 mature (130" +) heads on the wall that all come out of the same field in last 10 years. Each farm to its own though when it comes to deer pattern.
Back to the original topic. If I hunted a field regularly, then I believe this would be a great tool just to pattern deer. Bow season the deer will still be into that summer feeding pattern and could be a huge advantage on being in the right spot. Then later on when rut hits if you know when and where the does are at then at some point there will be a buck with her. May not be mature buck but thats why they call it hunting. I believe the lapse camera would be great for patterning the overall herd but would be hard to distinguish particular deer habit. Battery life would be the biggest issue I would have for it.

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#2045353 - 08/25/10 01:12 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: landman]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: landman
Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields


Too much pressure may be the case, I have had that discussion many times with my fellow hunters.

As for the second statement above, we OCCASIONALLY harvest a few decent bucks in the fields as well, but it is random at best, and nothing about these rare occurences could be increased with the use of a time lapsed camera, the reason for my post above.
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#2045414 - 08/25/10 02:02 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: NoNtYpiCaL1]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: NoNtYpiCaL1
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: landman
Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields


In almost 20 years of food plotting, I've NEVER seen a mature buck in a field during daylight hours. I've got a few trail-cam pics of mature bucks in the plots during daylight, but those too are very rare.


Not sure what your definition of mature buck is but I have seen many mature deer in fields. One of guys I hunt with has 8 mature (130" +) heads on the wall that all come out of the same field in last 10 years. Each farm to its own though when it comes to deer pattern.


The difference is, I'm not in farm country, but "Big Woods" habitat. However, even when small 1/4-acre to 2-acre food plots are scattered through the woods, mature bucks (4 1/2+) rarely feed in these plots during daylight, especially once hunting season starts.
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#2045556 - 08/25/10 04:44 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
Tomahawk
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
These pictures are extremely clear. And to tell me (an owner) of a plotwatcher that it takes a long time to watch a weeks worth of surveillance... well buddy you just don't know what your talking about on this one. It has different speeds that you can search with including a "deer search" feature that will zip to first picture with deer in it. Normally BSK I would give you all the respect in the world but you are so far off on this one its almost funny. Do you sell Recoyx or what?? By the way I can watch 7 days in less than 10 minutes.


Tomahwak,

I've talked to quite a few people who have these cameras. I've seen the images, the video, and the video's "deer search" capabilities.

As a scouting tool--to see how deer are entering/exiting a large area IN DAYLIGHT--this camera has real promise.

But as a "trail-camera" for evaluating buck age, size and identity, it's virtually worthless. An image of a buck at 200 feet from the camera in only 1.3 megapixels isn't going to show you much at all, other than big antlers versus small antlers.
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks

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#2045624 - 08/25/10 05:55 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Beekeeper]
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This one came across 15 acre field last year, in KY, in 2008 we had a 155" in Stewart County, TN in 20 acre field. Both of these deer were rut active kills, we are also putting less pressure on these spots and if the wind isn't right , they don't get hunted.

I waiting to see how well these camera's work for me.
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#2045647 - 08/25/10 06:15 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks


Again, I've seen the pictures. They don't even come close to what I need.

Here's what I need (and this is from a new commercial trail-camera). Both of these bucks were about 30 feet from the camera:





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#2045667 - 08/25/10 06:41 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
Tomahawk
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks


Again, I've seen the pictures. They don't even come close to what I need.

Here's what I need (and this is from a new commercial trail-camera). Both of these bucks were about 30 feet from the camera:





30 feet = 10 yards. They look like they are 10 feet away... but you may have them zoomed for easier view. Of course its been few days since I last looked at plotwatcher pics (going by memory here) but I will certainly post a couple of pics when I check it again. I will say this, if these same deer were only 30 feet (10 yds) from my camera, I would have no problem getting the details I need. Now if it was for professional publishing, well it may not get the stamp of approval. By the way how old is your friends computer? It may at fault here for the picture quality... \:D

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#2046119 - 08/25/10 10:27 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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We hardly ever see mature bucks in food plots. We counted all of them up from the last 10 years and it amounted to 4 mature bucks seen in fields on our property. Like BSK mentioned, we arent anywhere near farm country....strictly ridge and hollow hardwoods country. Point being, if you want to kill a mature buck in a food plot where we are, you have about a 1/5 of a percent chance at doing so. We only hunt food plots to take does. Where we are, you have to get off the fields a ways to kill mature bucks. Yes, we have gotten several pictures of them in daylight in fields, but not enough to make anyone want to sit over a field hoping for a mature buck
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#2046142 - 08/25/10 10:41 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
turkinator
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks


Again, I've seen the pictures. They don't even come close to what I need.

Here's what I need (and this is from a new commercial trail-camera). Both of these bucks were about 30 feet from the camera:







Hey BSK, I wish you had a little better quality camera. I would like to zoom in and see what is causing that hump on that little buck's back

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#2046143 - 08/25/10 10:45 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: JCDEERMAN]
Tomahawk
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 Originally Posted By: JCDEERMAN
We hardly ever see mature bucks in food plots. We counted all of them up from the last 10 years and it amounted to 4 mature bucks seen in fields on our property. Like BSK mentioned, we arent anywhere near farm country....strictly ridge and hollow hardwoods country. Point being, if you want to kill a mature buck in a food plot where we are, you have about a 1/5 of a percent chance at doing so. We only hunt food plots to take does. Where we are, you have to get off the fields a ways to kill mature bucks. Yes, we have gotten several pictures of them in daylight in fields, but not enough to make anyone want to sit over a field hoping for a mature buck
Very true. Like I said I plan on using mine inside the woods especially as the transition phases take place. I know their called "plot" watchers but you don't have to use them in open fields. You could easily set it up to watch a large portion of a ridge or hollow or just about any other terrain that has some visibility to it. I wouldn't stick it the middle of a briar patch but would certainly set it on trail hubs and edge rows. Use your imagination... it will open up so much more in life ;\) How many deer do you think your trail camera catches... You be lucky to see 25% of bucks that have traveled through... why not increase your chances with better technologies. This is all moot, majority camera mfg and hunters will make the transition within 2-3 years.

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