#2043934 - 08/24/10 03:56 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
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#2043976 - 08/24/10 04:24 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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Generally, species in the white oak family have lower tannin content than those in the red family, hence are less bitter. With chestnut oaks being an exception. They are very high in tannic acid, which is why deer will feed on them until something else becomes available.
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#2043978 - 08/24/10 04:25 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
Swamp Chesnut Oak acorns are probably THE most preferred acorn of all. The Mountain Chestnut Oak acorn is probably the least preferred acorn in the white oak family.
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#2043997 - 08/24/10 04:49 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
I've heard them called rock oaks.
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#2044872 - 08/25/10 08:13 AM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain. I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.htmlI've heard them called rock oaks.
Exactly PH, those are the exact same Chestnut oaks that we have all over the eastern half of TN. and they usually fall early and the deer will eat the heck out of them. I have killed many many deer early in the season under these trees!
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#2045207 - 08/25/10 11:44 AM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain. I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.htmlI've heard them called rock oaks.
There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not.
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#2045252 - 08/25/10 12:22 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain. I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.htmlI've heard them called rock oaks. There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not. 
I've killed lots of deer under chestnut oaks in the first week or two of the season. True, they don't prefer them, but they will wear 'em out if other species haven't started dropping yet. Kinda like Budweiser. I don't prefer it, but I'll drink it if there's nothing better in the fridge.
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#2045409 - 08/25/10 01:59 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain. I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.htmlI've heard them called rock oaks. There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not. Yep. We are talking about the same thing Quercus prinus. You say tomato I say tomato...
Actually, we're not talking about the same tree. The Mountain Chestnut is Quercus prinus. The Swamp Chestnut Oak is Quercus michauxii. The Mountain Chestnut is primarily found in TN on poor, dry soil upland sites east of KY Lake while the Swamp Chestnut is primarily found in wetter bottomland sites west of KY Lake.
In my area (western Highland Rim), because of the prevalence of so many more desirable oaks, deer will hardly touch Mountain Chestnut Oak acorns. However, on the Plateau and higher elevations of East TN, the Mountain Chestnut can be highly preferred, as few other species may be available.
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#2045433 - 08/25/10 02:24 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain. I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.htmlI've heard them called rock oaks. There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not. Yep. We are talking about the same thing Quercus prinus. You say tomato I say tomato... Actually, we're not talking about the same tree. The Mountain Chestnut is Quercus prinus. The Swamp Chestnut Oak is Quercus michauxii. The Mountain Chestnut is primarily found in TN on poor, dry soil upland sites east of KY Lake while the Swamp Chestnut is primarily found in wetter bottomland sites west of KY Lake. In my area (western Highland Rim), because of the prevalence of so many more desirable oaks, deer will hardly touch Mountain Chestnut Oak acorns. However, on the Plateau and higher elevations of East TN, the Mountain Chestnut can be highly preferred, as few other species may be available.
I hunt the western highland rim too. The property is mostly white oak, northern red oak, and some black oak with a few isolated pure stands of chestnut oaks (mountain) growing on the highest rocky ridges where Ft Payne Chert outcrops. For the past couple years, the chestnut oaks were the only game in town for about the first week of bow season, then the white oaks start dropping and the deer wouldn't touch the chestnut oak acorns.
Obviously every area and every season is different. That's what make this great sport interesting... figuring it out.
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#2045504 - 08/25/10 03:40 PM
Re: Might want to look for red oaks
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My place is 100% chert, and mountain chestnut oaks dominate the ridge-tops and all south-facing slopes (driest soils). However, we do have very good stands of white, red and black oak (with a few post oaks) on the north-facing slopes where soil moisture is better.
I too have seen deer eat the mountain chestnut oak acorns when they are the only game in town--basically that one to two week period between when they start dropping and he whites start dropping, right around the opening week of bow season.
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