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#2043019 - 08/23/10 10:07 PM Might want to look for red oaks
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I know it's strange but I've noticed the Red Oaks are loaded and some are dropping acorns (immature of course) right now. I noticed it last week and at the same time noticed the bucks that I have been tracking all summer have changed their patterns, so they are eating them for sure.

On September 29th of 2007 I killed my second largest P&Y on a early dropping red oak. Just something to think about come opening day.
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#2043032 - 08/23/10 10:14 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: 156p&y]
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Was in the woods near NW S. Carolina this past weekend and saw some Chestnut Oaks dropping heavy. The white oaks were all loaded with nuts.
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#2043214 - 08/24/10 06:12 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BlueMarlin]
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Thanks for the info.
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#2043215 - 08/24/10 06:12 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: ghosthunter]
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 Originally Posted By: ghosthunter
Thanks for the info.


x2. ;\)
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#2043231 - 08/24/10 06:32 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: MUP]
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lots of mass this year in all forms. Red oak in my back yard started droping 3 days ago. Something to look into, but Im still finding lots of deer in fields.
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#2043244 - 08/24/10 06:50 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BowGuy84]
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One of my farm stands has two persimmon trees and one huge white oak , all loaded, within view of one of my stands.....did I mention that the stand is on the edge of a bean field......???

can you say...."foodplot"...?????

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#2043272 - 08/24/10 07:12 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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From what I've seen so far, the black oak variety (in the red oak family) seem to be the most loaded of all species.
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#2043316 - 08/24/10 07:59 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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I have noticed very similar things. I don't think ANY of our Red Oaks are dropping nuts but the squirrels are PILING them up off the tree.
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#2043320 - 08/24/10 08:00 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
From what I've seen so far, the black oak variety (in the red oak family) seem to be the most loaded of all species.

Same here, the Red oak variety is by far the heaviest loaded that I have found yet. My trees however have not started dropping enough to amount to anthing, but we have had no shortage in rain here either, its been a fairly wet Summer here.
Most of the acorns I am seeing are still very immature, not much meat there yet, even on the fencerow/field edge trees, which usually produce more and earlier than the average.

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#2043337 - 08/24/10 08:10 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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Like BSK says, the black oak's are loaded. Here is a black oak that is very popular to the deer.

Never before have I seen as many acorns on these Black Oaks.




FWIW, I always called these simply Red Oaks, but BSK recently taught me that they are in fact, Black Oaks... but in the Red Oak family. Another point of interest, my first two bucks were taken under these Oaks. Last, on Moon filled nights, I have stayed in my stand after legal shooting light and watched some huge bucks feeding.
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#2043344 - 08/24/10 08:12 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: plinker22]
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But,if there are whites around,will they be interested in red/black,oaks?
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#2043404 - 08/24/10 08:56 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
But,if there are whites around,will they be interested in red/black,oaks?

I am still a greenhorn in the hunting world, but from my understanding, once White Oak acorns are falling... deer ignore almost all other food sources.
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#2043423 - 08/24/10 09:03 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: plinker22]
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I have emptyed out a lot of doe stomachs in early bow season,
wondered to myself why not one kind of oak persay white oaks
only in there.Those deer love to rome on there way to bed.
Then theres those red oaks they have in there stomachs
they eat whole.
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#2043452 - 08/24/10 09:37 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: 777rellik]
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It's impossible to predict what a deer is going to eat, but in general, they seem to prefer white oaks, swamp white oaks, and chinkapin oaks (all members of the white oak family) over species in the red oak family (northern red oak, southern red oak, black oak, blackjack oak, pin oak) to name a few. Chestnut oaks can be very productive, but usually only very early in the season and only until the whites start dropping.

The best thing you can do this far in advance of the season opening is to make note of locations and species of trees with good acorn crops and check them for feeding sign just prior to the season. Even when there are lots of trees dropping, deer will key in on certain ones (what I call dominant trees). Find the dominant tree in an area and you will find the deer.
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#2043560 - 08/24/10 10:51 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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The black and pin are very closely related, the leaves look almost the same.
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#2043596 - 08/24/10 11:21 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: A/M/G]
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Generally, species in the white oak family have lower tannin content than those in the red family, hence are less bitter. However, most white oak varieties go to root in late fall or early winter, while most red oak varieties don't go to root until spring.

White oak variety acorns "fatten" deer up in fall, but red oak acorns carry the deer through the winter.
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#2043616 - 08/24/10 11:29 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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Whites are definitely more preferred by the deer, but they will eat whichever is readily available.
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#2043713 - 08/24/10 12:43 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Winchester]
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My pecan is loaded up this year and about ready to fall.

Squirrls let me know when they are ready!!!

They are pulling them off now and eating into them jsut to find they are not ready and drop the pecan to try another one.

Very few are actually ready by the hull I see them leaving behind

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#2043726 - 08/24/10 01:00 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Generally, species in the white oak family have lower tannin content than those in the red family, hence are less bitter.
With chestnut oaks being an exception. They are very high in tannic acid, which is why deer will feed on them until something else becomes available.
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#2043918 - 08/24/10 03:44 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Generally, species in the white oak family have lower tannin content than those in the red family, hence are less bitter. However, most white oak varieties go to root in late fall or early winter, while most red oak varieties don't go to root until spring.

White oak variety acorns "fatten" deer up in fall, but red oak acorns carry the deer through the winter.




good to know.

Pursuit Hunter I hope you're right about the chestnut oaks. Thats where I'm gonna be opening morning.
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#2043934 - 08/24/10 03:56 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
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#2043976 - 08/24/10 04:24 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Generally, species in the white oak family have lower tannin content than those in the red family, hence are less bitter.
With chestnut oaks being an exception. They are very high in tannic acid, which is why deer will feed on them until something else becomes available.


Very true Pursuit Hunter.
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#2043978 - 08/24/10 04:25 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: A/M/G]
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 Originally Posted By: A/M/G
What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.


Swamp Chesnut Oak acorns are probably THE most preferred acorn of all. The Mountain Chestnut Oak acorn is probably the least preferred acorn in the white oak family.
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#2043997 - 08/24/10 04:49 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: A/M/G]
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 Originally Posted By: A/M/G
What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.html
I've heard them called rock oaks.
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#2044872 - 08/25/10 08:13 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: A/M/G
What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.html
I've heard them called rock oaks.


Exactly PH, those are the exact same Chestnut oaks that we have all over the eastern half of TN. and they usually fall early and the deer will eat the heck out of them. I have killed many many deer early in the season under these trees!

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#2045207 - 08/25/10 11:44 AM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.html
I've heard them called rock oaks.



There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not.
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#2045252 - 08/25/10 12:22 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.html
I've heard them called rock oaks.


There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not.
Yep. We are talking about the same thing Quercus prinus. You say tomato I say tomato... \:\)

I've killed lots of deer under chestnut oaks in the first week or two of the season. True, they don't prefer them, but they will wear 'em out if other species haven't started dropping yet. Kinda like Budweiser. I don't prefer it, but I'll drink it if there's nothing better in the fridge.
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#2045409 - 08/25/10 01:59 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.html
I've heard them called rock oaks.


There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not.
Yep. We are talking about the same thing Quercus prinus. You say tomato I say tomato... \:\)


Actually, we're not talking about the same tree. The Mountain Chestnut is Quercus prinus. The Swamp Chestnut Oak is Quercus michauxii. The Mountain Chestnut is primarily found in TN on poor, dry soil upland sites east of KY Lake while the Swamp Chestnut is primarily found in wetter bottomland sites west of KY Lake.

In my area (western Highland Rim), because of the prevalence of so many more desirable oaks, deer will hardly touch Mountain Chestnut Oak acorns. However, on the Plateau and higher elevations of East TN, the Mountain Chestnut can be highly preferred, as few other species may be available.
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#2045433 - 08/25/10 02:24 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
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What type of chestnuts, swamp or mountain? Deer prefer swamp but not mountain.
I've not heard the term mountain chestnut oaks. I was talking about plain ol' chestnut oaks - probably the same thing since they usually grow at higher elevations. Here's a description and pictures http://www.pursuithunting.com/2007/09/tree-id-chestnut-oak.html
I've heard them called rock oaks.


There are two types of Chestnut Oaks, the Mountain Chestnut--which grows on poor, rocky soil ridge-tops and uplands--and the Swamp Chestnut--which grows in wet bottomlands. The Swamp Chestnut is highly preferred, the Mountain Chestnut is not.
Yep. We are talking about the same thing Quercus prinus. You say tomato I say tomato... \:\)


Actually, we're not talking about the same tree. The Mountain Chestnut is Quercus prinus. The Swamp Chestnut Oak is Quercus michauxii. The Mountain Chestnut is primarily found in TN on poor, dry soil upland sites east of KY Lake while the Swamp Chestnut is primarily found in wetter bottomland sites west of KY Lake.

In my area (western Highland Rim), because of the prevalence of so many more desirable oaks, deer will hardly touch Mountain Chestnut Oak acorns. However, on the Plateau and higher elevations of East TN, the Mountain Chestnut can be highly preferred, as few other species may be available.
Understand there are two different species. I'm saying that what I call a chestnut oak is the same thing as what you are calling mountain chestnut oak Quercus prinus. I've just never heard it called that. Tomato/tomato \:\) Swamp chestnut oak is comletely different species.

I hunt the western highland rim too. The property is mostly white oak, northern red oak, and some black oak with a few isolated pure stands of chestnut oaks (mountain) growing on the highest rocky ridges where Ft Payne Chert outcrops. For the past couple years, the chestnut oaks were the only game in town for about the first week of bow season, then the white oaks start dropping and the deer wouldn't touch the chestnut oak acorns.

Obviously every area and every season is different. That's what make this great sport interesting... figuring it out.


Edited by Pursuit Hunter (08/25/10 02:38 PM)
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#2045504 - 08/25/10 03:40 PM Re: Might want to look for red oaks [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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My place is 100% chert, and mountain chestnut oaks dominate the ridge-tops and all south-facing slopes (driest soils). However, we do have very good stands of white, red and black oak (with a few post oaks) on the north-facing slopes where soil moisture is better.

I too have seen deer eat the mountain chestnut oak acorns when they are the only game in town--basically that one to two week period between when they start dropping and he whites start dropping, right around the opening week of bow season.
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