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#2042904 - 08/23/10 09:11 PM Any one using a plot watcher
Hunter0678
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Do any of you have a plot watcher from http://www.plot-watcher.com/ and how do they work... looks like great way to see whats coming and going.
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#2042909 - 08/23/10 09:15 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Hunter0678]
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Looks cool---first time I heard of it
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#2042974 - 08/23/10 09:41 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Hunter0678]
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Yea I have written about it in other post about what new gear is out. You can check that out if you want. 2 different replies about it so check entire thread.
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#2042980 - 08/23/10 09:43 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: turkinator]
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ya, you have to watch the you tube video at the bottom to appreciate what it can do... I think one will be on order in the morning
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#2042984 - 08/23/10 09:46 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Hunter0678]
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 Originally Posted By: TN444PSD
ya, you have to watch the you tube video at the bottom to appreciate what it can do... I think one will be on order in the morning
I know how good it is...I've been using it for about 2 months. ;\)

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#2043265 - 08/24/10 07:05 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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Very interesting idea for covering a large area. But they only take daytime pictures.

But as a scouting tool, where you're only interested in what moves through in daylight...
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#2043275 - 08/24/10 07:14 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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I know Reconyx is way more exspensive but doesn't it do time lapsed also?
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#2043308 - 08/24/10 07:50 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: tndad]
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I saw the ad about 3 weeks ago. Seem pretty cool. Was really the first "trail" cam I have ever really considered.

This weekend, I saw one at Bass Pro. I like the concept!!!
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#2043348 - 08/24/10 08:13 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: plinker22]
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looks interesting,will do some more reading up.
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#2043429 - 08/24/10 09:11 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Hunter0678]
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#2043591 - 08/24/10 11:17 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: tndad]
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 Originally Posted By: tndad
I know Reconyx is way more exspensive but doesn't it do time lapsed also?


Yes.
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#2043763 - 08/24/10 01:35 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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the latest "gotta have gadget"


daym, I think I wants one \:D

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#2043787 - 08/24/10 01:54 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: tndad
I know Reconyx is way more exspensive but doesn't it do time lapsed also?


Yes.
Not sure about the time lapse feature with Reconyx. Not saying they don't have them. We use Reconyx on the Illinois farms. They have "rapid fire" but never notice "time lapse" with them. The "plotwatcher" is a true time lapse camera... no sensor needs to be triggered. It just constantly takes pistures every 5 seconds or 10 (depending on set up). When played in fast forward it looks like a movie being played. No night pictures but I've never killed a deer at night and hear it is illegal . But seriously I could care less what has travel by at night... I want to know what is there during the day. I've got more pictures of bucks at night that were never seen or photoed ever again. Far as I'm concerned it was just a "passing thru buck". This plotwatcher system is by far more superior to regular trail cams when it comes to scouting particular areas. JMO. Final note Reconyx $600 - Plotwatcher $200.

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#2043855 - 08/24/10 02:41 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: tndad
I know Reconyx is way more exspensive but doesn't it do time lapsed also?


Yes.
Not sure about the time lapse feature with Reconyx. Not saying they don't have them. We use Reconyx on the Illinois farms. They have "rapid fire" but never notice "time lapse" with them. The "plotwatcher" is a true time lapse camera... no sensor needs to be triggered. It just constantly takes pistures every 5 seconds or 10 (depending on set up). When played in fast forward it looks like a movie being played. No night pictures but I've never killed a deer at night and hear it is illegal . But seriously I could care less what has travel by at night... I want to know what is there during the day. I've got more pictures of bucks at night that were never seen or photoed ever again. Far as I'm concerned it was just a "passing thru buck". This plotwatcher system is by far more superior to regular trail cams when it comes to scouting particular areas. JMO. Final note Reconyx $600 - Plotwatcher $200.


Very true but I love my buck pics no matter what time of day and knowing something big is around makes me hold tighter in that stand when I want to call it a day!
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#2043969 - 08/24/10 04:21 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: tndad
I know Reconyx is way more exspensive but doesn't it do time lapsed also?


Yes.
Not sure about the time lapse feature with Reconyx. Not saying they don't have them. We use Reconyx on the Illinois farms. They have "rapid fire" but never notice "time lapse" with them. The "plotwatcher" is a true time lapse camera... no sensor needs to be triggered. It just constantly takes pistures every 5 seconds or 10 (depending on set up). When played in fast forward it looks like a movie being played. No night pictures but I've never killed a deer at night and hear it is illegal . But seriously I could care less what has travel by at night... I want to know what is there during the day. I've got more pictures of bucks at night that were never seen or photoed ever again. Far as I'm concerned it was just a "passing thru buck". This plotwatcher system is by far more superior to regular trail cams when it comes to scouting particular areas. JMO. Final note Reconyx $600 - Plotwatcher $200.


Sounds like someone is a Plotwatcher salesman!

Yes, Reconyx has time lapse AND will do time lapse at night, which the plotwatcher will not do. Reconyx Hyperfire HC500 $449.
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#2043983 - 08/24/10 04:32 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: tndad
I know Reconyx is way more exspensive but doesn't it do time lapsed also?


Yes.
Not sure about the time lapse feature with Reconyx. Not saying they don't have them. We use Reconyx on the Illinois farms. They have "rapid fire" but never notice "time lapse" with them. The "plotwatcher" is a true time lapse camera... no sensor needs to be triggered. It just constantly takes pistures every 5 seconds or 10 (depending on set up). When played in fast forward it looks like a movie being played. No night pictures but I've never killed a deer at night and hear it is illegal . But seriously I could care less what has travel by at night... I want to know what is there during the day. I've got more pictures of bucks at night that were never seen or photoed ever again. Far as I'm concerned it was just a "passing thru buck". This plotwatcher system is by far more superior to regular trail cams when it comes to scouting particular areas. JMO. Final note Reconyx $600 - Plotwatcher $200.


Sounds like someone is a Plotwatcher salesman!

Yes, Reconyx has time lapse. Reconyx Hyperfire HC500 $449.
OK. Didn't realize they had the time lapse. Not a salesman for anyone. Hell I'm all but retired...lol. Just been trying the plotwatcher and am sold on its versatility for scouting. I probably have over 50 different cameras of various brands (some still working, some not). Not one of them have been able to show me all that I can see from the plotwatcher camera. The plotwatcher certainly has some cons that hold it back from being a complete tool but for serious hunters that see the benefit in it, it will become one of their favorite tools. I say within 1-2 years you will see most all brands making the transition to time lapse cameras. Now you can hunt one stand while your camera tells you everything that came by at another stand you didn't hunt that day. I'm just saying....it's goood! ;\)

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#2044037 - 08/24/10 05:44 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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The image quality on the time-lapse cameras aren't very good. Besides, they only take pictures in daylight. Many mature bucks only move at night.

I'm sure the Plotwatcher type cams have their uses--especially for finding daylight movement patterns over a large open area--but for what I use trail-cameras for, they would be completely useless.
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#2044111 - 08/24/10 07:01 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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I really like the idea but from what i can tell they only take about 6 days worth. I live 5 hours away from my lease and cant go every weekend during the off season. hopefully the technology will improve to take several weeks at a time.
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#2044139 - 08/24/10 07:30 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: birddog]
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I have 2 new ones still in the box, they don't tell you on the box that it need windows XP or newer, I got Mac's.
But they have told me a fix for that should be out in a couple of weeks.

I got one just to get pic's of a trespasser, have a problem with people crossing me to get on Refuge.

I do love the idea of whats crossing fields or in food plots during the day, also lets you shut it down during the middle of the may. Grant Woods is really big on this way of looking at plots and for spring turkey hunting setups
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#2044262 - 08/24/10 08:29 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
The image quality on the time-lapse cameras aren't very good.
Wrong there my friend. The pictures are in HD (high definition). They are absolutely very clear. Exception being fast movement (deer running away). Maybe the Reconyx has poor image in time lapse but not these plot watcher cameras. Now if deer is 100-150 yds away it will be difficult to tell antler size but you would be able to see the antlers for sure (not including little racks). I could see a turkey with head up at least 85 yds away in knee high grass. Take a look at one... (look at its images it produces) you might just be impressed.

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#2044270 - 08/24/10 08:32 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: landman]
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 Originally Posted By: landman
I have 2 new ones still in the box, they don't tell you on the box that it need windows XP or newer, I got Mac's.
Hey landman, I use a MAC also. You can actually run it on your MAC now if you install and run Windows 7 as your secondary operating software.

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#2044812 - 08/25/10 07:37 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
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The image quality on the time-lapse cameras aren't very good.
Wrong there my friend. The pictures are in HD (high definition).


You do realize there's no such thing as "High Definition" digital images don't you? Image quality is all about imager quality, lens glass quality and Megapixels. The Plotwatcher records in 1280x1024 video (double what most video resolution is), but that is still only 1.3 MP images. That's smaller images than any trail-cam on the market. The lower the megapixels the less you can expand the image on a computer screen and maintain clarity.

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They are absolutely very clear. Exception being fast movement (deer running away). Maybe the Reconyx has poor image in time lapse but not these plot watcher cameras...


Reconyx cams certainly don't take the best pictures in the world.


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Take a look at one... (look at its images it produces) you might just be impressed.


I have taken a look at one. I'm not impressed with the images at all.

In addition, the Plotwatcher's batteries will only last about a week, and don't buy into the sales claim of being able to review the video in minutes. It actually can take a long time to review the entire video of a weeks worth of images. We're talking about 50,000+ images in a week.

As a scouting tool--watching a large open area to see how deer are entering/exiting and at what time during daylight--these units have great promise. As a tool for evaluating what bucks are using a property and their size, it is a bust.
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#2044939 - 08/25/10 08:50 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Hunter0678]
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i think a pic aevery 10 seconds is too much. i would go with 30 sec or 60- that would cut down on battery usage and unecessary review time
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#2044971 - 08/25/10 09:05 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: tndad]
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Can you POST some plot watcher pics??? I would like to see there quality...
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#2044987 - 08/25/10 09:10 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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Here is my take on time lapse cameras:

Where I hunt, I only see the time lapse camera as a marginal tool for early season scouting (Jul-Sep) to see what has been visiting fields or open areas during daylight hours only. Most if not all of these pictures will be taken with deer at a considerable distance (75-200 yards) so one should not expect to identify unique deer by the numbers. In late summer most deer are on their "summer feeding patterns" frequenting fields and openings allowing themselves to be captured via time lapse. One should not expect this careless behavior to carry over into the fall months during peak deer hunting as many deer sense human intrusion and change their routine, travel patterns and behavior considerably.

Once season opens and the us hunters hit the woods, the time lapse cameras will be useless because virtually no deer visit our fields and openings during daylight hours! If a deer of either sex were to slip out in the openings during daylight hours on our club, I can guarantee it will always be during the last 15-30 minutes which renders the time lapse camera useless unless the deer is literally 50 yards or less, and then it will be questionable as there is no flash and it will be extremely low-light conditions. Remember, this is on land that gets hunted pretty hard thus forcing the deer to stay in woods and/or thick cover 98% of daylight hours. I might could get some use out of it late Dec/Jan time frame on winter wheat if hunting pressure has subsided and the deer let their guard down. It might would tell me that the deer are coming out the last 15-30 minutes of daylight instead of after dark.

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#2045135 - 08/25/10 10:44 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: mrk80]
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 Originally Posted By: mrk80
Can you POST some plot watcher pics??? I would like to see there quality...
Yes the next time I scan it, i will post a pic or two.

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#2045152 - 08/25/10 10:56 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields
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#2045161 - 08/25/10 11:00 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
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The image quality on the time-lapse cameras aren't very good.
Wrong there my friend. The pictures are in HD (high definition).


You do realize there's no such thing as "High Definition" digital images don't you? Image quality is all about imager quality, lens glass quality and Megapixels. The Plotwatcher records in 1280x1024 video (double what most video resolution is), but that is still only 1.3 MP images. That's smaller images than any trail-cam on the market. The lower the megapixels the less you can expand the image on a computer screen and maintain clarity.

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They are absolutely very clear. Exception being fast movement (deer running away). Maybe the Reconyx has poor image in time lapse but not these plot watcher cameras...


Reconyx cams certainly don't take the best pictures in the world.


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Take a look at one... (look at its images it produces) you might just be impressed.


I have taken a look at one. I'm not impressed with the images at all.

In addition, the Plotwatcher's batteries will only last about a week, and don't buy into the sales claim of being able to review the video in minutes. It actually can take a long time to review the entire video of a weeks worth of images. We're talking about 50,000+ images in a week.

As a scouting tool--watching a large open area to see how deer are entering/exiting and at what time during daylight--these units have great promise. As a tool for evaluating what bucks are using a property and their size, it is a bust.
These pictures are extremely clear. And to tell me (an owner) of a plotwatcher that it takes a long time to watch a weeks worth of survellience... well buddy you just don't know what your talking about on this one. It has different speeds that you can search with including a "deer search" feature that will zip to first picture with deer in it. Normally BSK I would give you all the respect in the world but you are so far off on this one its almost funny. Do you sell Recoyx or what?? By the way I can watch 7 days in less than 10 minutes.

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#2045215 - 08/25/10 11:48 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: landman]
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 Originally Posted By: landman
Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields


In almost 20 years of food plotting, I've NEVER seen a mature buck in a field during daylight hours. I've got a few trail-cam pics of mature bucks in the plots during daylight, but those too are very rare.
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#2045227 - 08/25/10 11:56 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
These pictures are extremely clear. And to tell me (an owner) of a plotwatcher that it takes a long time to watch a weeks worth of survellience... well buddy you just don't know what your talking about on this one. It has different speeds that you can search with including a "deer search" feature that will zip to first picture with deer in it. Normally BSK I would give you all the respect in the world but you are so far off on this one its almost funny. Do you sell Recoyx or what?? By the way I can watch 7 days in less than 10 minutes.


Tomahwak,

I've talked to quite a few people who have these cameras. I've seen the images, the video, and the video's "deer search" capabilities.

As a scouting tool--to see how deer are entering/exiting a large area IN DAYLIGHT--this camera has real promise.

But as a "trail-camera" for evaluating buck age, size and identity, it's virtually worthless. An image of a buck at 200 feet from the camera in only 1.3 megapixels isn't going to show you much at all, other than big antlers versus small antlers.
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#2045248 - 08/25/10 12:12 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: landman
Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields


In almost 20 years of food plotting, I've NEVER seen a mature buck in a field during daylight hours. I've got a few trail-cam pics of mature bucks in the plots during daylight, but those too are very rare.


Not sure what your definition of mature buck is but I have seen many mature deer in fields. One of guys I hunt with has 8 mature (130" +) heads on the wall that all come out of the same field in last 10 years. Each farm to its own though when it comes to deer pattern.
Back to the original topic. If I hunted a field regularly, then I believe this would be a great tool just to pattern deer. Bow season the deer will still be into that summer feeding pattern and could be a huge advantage on being in the right spot. Then later on when rut hits if you know when and where the does are at then at some point there will be a buck with her. May not be mature buck but thats why they call it hunting. I believe the lapse camera would be great for patterning the overall herd but would be hard to distinguish particular deer habit. Battery life would be the biggest issue I would have for it.

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#2045353 - 08/25/10 01:12 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: landman]
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 Originally Posted By: landman
Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields


Too much pressure may be the case, I have had that discussion many times with my fellow hunters.

As for the second statement above, we OCCASIONALLY harvest a few decent bucks in the fields as well, but it is random at best, and nothing about these rare occurences could be increased with the use of a time lapsed camera, the reason for my post above.
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#2045414 - 08/25/10 02:02 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: NoNtYpiCaL1]
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 Originally Posted By: NoNtYpiCaL1
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: landman
Sounds like your club's putting too much pressure on the deer.

We still see and kill some of our bigger deer in fields


In almost 20 years of food plotting, I've NEVER seen a mature buck in a field during daylight hours. I've got a few trail-cam pics of mature bucks in the plots during daylight, but those too are very rare.


Not sure what your definition of mature buck is but I have seen many mature deer in fields. One of guys I hunt with has 8 mature (130" +) heads on the wall that all come out of the same field in last 10 years. Each farm to its own though when it comes to deer pattern.


The difference is, I'm not in farm country, but "Big Woods" habitat. However, even when small 1/4-acre to 2-acre food plots are scattered through the woods, mature bucks (4 1/2+) rarely feed in these plots during daylight, especially once hunting season starts.
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#2045556 - 08/25/10 04:44 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
These pictures are extremely clear. And to tell me (an owner) of a plotwatcher that it takes a long time to watch a weeks worth of surveillance... well buddy you just don't know what your talking about on this one. It has different speeds that you can search with including a "deer search" feature that will zip to first picture with deer in it. Normally BSK I would give you all the respect in the world but you are so far off on this one its almost funny. Do you sell Recoyx or what?? By the way I can watch 7 days in less than 10 minutes.


Tomahwak,

I've talked to quite a few people who have these cameras. I've seen the images, the video, and the video's "deer search" capabilities.

As a scouting tool--to see how deer are entering/exiting a large area IN DAYLIGHT--this camera has real promise.

But as a "trail-camera" for evaluating buck age, size and identity, it's virtually worthless. An image of a buck at 200 feet from the camera in only 1.3 megapixels isn't going to show you much at all, other than big antlers versus small antlers.
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks

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#2045624 - 08/25/10 05:55 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Beekeeper]
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This one came across 15 acre field last year, in KY, in 2008 we had a 155" in Stewart County, TN in 20 acre field. Both of these deer were rut active kills, we are also putting less pressure on these spots and if the wind isn't right , they don't get hunted.

I waiting to see how well these camera's work for me.
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#2045647 - 08/25/10 06:15 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks


Again, I've seen the pictures. They don't even come close to what I need.

Here's what I need (and this is from a new commercial trail-camera). Both of these bucks were about 30 feet from the camera:





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#2045667 - 08/25/10 06:41 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks


Again, I've seen the pictures. They don't even come close to what I need.

Here's what I need (and this is from a new commercial trail-camera). Both of these bucks were about 30 feet from the camera:





30 feet = 10 yards. They look like they are 10 feet away... but you may have them zoomed for easier view. Of course its been few days since I last looked at plotwatcher pics (going by memory here) but I will certainly post a couple of pics when I check it again. I will say this, if these same deer were only 30 feet (10 yds) from my camera, I would have no problem getting the details I need. Now if it was for professional publishing, well it may not get the stamp of approval. By the way how old is your friends computer? It may at fault here for the picture quality... \:D

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#2046119 - 08/25/10 10:27 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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We hardly ever see mature bucks in food plots. We counted all of them up from the last 10 years and it amounted to 4 mature bucks seen in fields on our property. Like BSK mentioned, we arent anywhere near farm country....strictly ridge and hollow hardwoods country. Point being, if you want to kill a mature buck in a food plot where we are, you have about a 1/5 of a percent chance at doing so. We only hunt food plots to take does. Where we are, you have to get off the fields a ways to kill mature bucks. Yes, we have gotten several pictures of them in daylight in fields, but not enough to make anyone want to sit over a field hoping for a mature buck
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#2046142 - 08/25/10 10:41 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
Yes I agree completely that distance pictures will be hard to determine such aspects of a buck. The point is you can see the deer from a long ways away. Getting vital bio info on the deer may not be possible when they are 100 yds away but your standard trail camera would never show you those deer at that distance because it only has 50 ft range to trigger. Now put these deer at 30 yds or closer with the plotwatcher cam and the details are very clear. Certainly clear enough to get info your looking for, not to mention the number of pics you would have of that particular deer at many angles depending on how the subject is moving around in the field of view. I normally erase the flash drive after viewing (only does and few turkey at house) because I'm still in test phase of camera. However when I get back to Knoxville and check it, I will post some pictures off it. And just so I'm clear...I'm all about the scouting potential (trails not the fields), not the clarity of pictures... thats just a bonus. ;\) Different strokes, different folks


Again, I've seen the pictures. They don't even come close to what I need.

Here's what I need (and this is from a new commercial trail-camera). Both of these bucks were about 30 feet from the camera:







Hey BSK, I wish you had a little better quality camera. I would like to zoom in and see what is causing that hump on that little buck's back

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#2046143 - 08/25/10 10:45 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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We hardly ever see mature bucks in food plots. We counted all of them up from the last 10 years and it amounted to 4 mature bucks seen in fields on our property. Like BSK mentioned, we arent anywhere near farm country....strictly ridge and hollow hardwoods country. Point being, if you want to kill a mature buck in a food plot where we are, you have about a 1/5 of a percent chance at doing so. We only hunt food plots to take does. Where we are, you have to get off the fields a ways to kill mature bucks. Yes, we have gotten several pictures of them in daylight in fields, but not enough to make anyone want to sit over a field hoping for a mature buck
Very true. Like I said I plan on using mine inside the woods especially as the transition phases take place. I know their called "plot" watchers but you don't have to use them in open fields. You could easily set it up to watch a large portion of a ridge or hollow or just about any other terrain that has some visibility to it. I wouldn't stick it the middle of a briar patch but would certainly set it on trail hubs and edge rows. Use your imagination... it will open up so much more in life ;\) How many deer do you think your trail camera catches... You be lucky to see 25% of bucks that have traveled through... why not increase your chances with better technologies. This is all moot, majority camera mfg and hunters will make the transition within 2-3 years.

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#2046347 - 08/26/10 07:42 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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We only hunt food plots to take does. Where we are, you have to get off the fields a ways to kill mature bucks. Yes, we have gotten several pictures of them in daylight in fields, but not enough to make anyone want to sit over a field hoping for a mature buck


Our situation exactly JCDEERMAN. Ridge-and-hollow hardwoods with a few scattered food plots. No mature buck has ever been killed from a food plot, even though our food plots are hunted (primarily for does).
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#2046350 - 08/26/10 07:43 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: turkinator]
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Hey BSK, I wish you had a little better quality camera. I would like to zoom in and see what is causing that hump on that little buck's back


Nice pictures, aren't they! ;\) Those are actually from the new Uway NT50B black-flash camera.
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#2046365 - 08/26/10 07:57 AM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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30 feet = 10 yards. They look like they are 10 feet away... but you may have them zoomed for easier view.


Those are "actual pixel" crops from the original images. The original images are too large to post on this forum, but here they are downsized to fit most computer screens:






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I will say this, if these same deer were only 30 feet (10 yds) from my camera, I would have no problem getting the details I need. Now if it was for professional publishing, well it may not get the stamp of approval. By the way how old is your friends computer? It may at fault here for the picture quality... \:D


It's physically impossible for the PlotWatcher to produce images of this quality. At 1.3 MP, you only have a limited number of pixels to work with.

I've seen several examples of Plotwatcher images, all from professional deer managers. And for what professional deer managers use cameras for--keeping a running inventory of individual bucks--the Plotwatcher won't cut it.

But as a scouting tool, or as a tool to figure out where to put an actual trail-camera, the product has real promise.
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#2046918 - 08/26/10 04:52 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: Tomahawk
30 feet = 10 yards. They look like they are 10 feet away... but you may have them zoomed for easier view.


Those are "actual pixel" crops from the original images. The original images are too large to post on this forum, but here they are downsized to fit most computer screens:






 Quote:
I will say this, if these same deer were only 30 feet (10 yds) from my camera, I would have no problem getting the details I need. Now if it was for professional publishing, well it may not get the stamp of approval. By the way how old is your friends computer? It may at fault here for the picture quality... \:D


It's physically impossible for the PlotWatcher to produce images of this quality. At 1.3 MP, you only have a limited number of pixels to work with.

I've seen several examples of Plotwatcher images, all from professional deer managers. And for what professional deer managers use cameras for--keeping a running inventory of individual bucks--the Plotwatcher won't cut it.

But as a scouting tool, or as a tool to figure out where to put an actual trail-camera, the product has real promise.
Yes those are some high quality pics you posted there. I really should of focus more on the scouting aspect instead of pic quality. I guess what I was trying to relay is the pictures off the plotwatcher are clear enough to see the animals and if they are within say 40 yds are less you can get a good enough idea of rack size but much better idea of body traits. But I'm like you, I believe the scouting aspects (inside the woods) is where the money is with this early version by the company that put it out. It will convert pictures from .avi to .wmv when I post some pictures, which as you may know will worsen the quality but when viewing as .avi it is clear enough for your average hunter. JMO

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#2046953 - 08/26/10 05:35 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: Tomahawk]
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Again, as a wide-area scouting tool, it has promise. But it only takes daylight pictures. Some mature bucks rarely if ever travel during daylight, except perhaps around the rut.

Last year, I got over 50 pictures of this 5 1/2 year-old buck from September 1 through January 1. Yet not one of those pictures--NOT ONE--was during daylight.





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#2047255 - 08/26/10 09:53 PM Re: Any one using a plot watcher [Re: BSK]
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I find it amazing how different deer can be from one area to another. I've been lucky to hunt in several parts of the state and in Kentucky and Missouri. In middle Tn you can forget seeing mature deer in fields during daylight after season starts. The first time I ever sat watching a standing bean field in Dec in West Tn, I had a 4.5 yo hoss come out 45 min before daylight. The deer in Western Ky and Northern Missouri seem to think nothing of crossing fields in the rut or late season. I'm sure the limited gun season in those states has something to do with that. The point is, deer are very adaptable and amazing creatures and that's what makes them so fun to hunt.

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