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#2037276 - 08/19/10 01:54 PM good deer info
jethro69
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http://ckwri.tamuk.edu/fileadmin/user_up...9_web_PART1.pdf

part 2
http://ckwri.tamuk.edu/fileadmin/user_up...9_web_PART2.pdf


Edited by jethro69 (08/19/10 02:00 PM)
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#2037310 - 08/19/10 02:30 PM Re: good deer info [Re: jethro69]
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Pretty interesting stuff.

Here the slide I like best though...

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#2037321 - 08/19/10 02:41 PM Re: good deer info [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
Pretty interesting stuff.

Here the slide I like best though...



We as TN hunters should take note of the average, gross scores of the TX 2.5 and 3.5 y.o. bucks.

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#2037354 - 08/19/10 03:15 PM Re: good deer info [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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 Originally Posted By: Outdoor Enthusiast
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
Pretty interesting stuff.

Here the slide I like best though...



We as TN hunters should take note of the average, gross scores of the TX 2.5 and 3.5 y.o. bucks.


And the shear range of scores per age class!! This was with a limited sample set for each age class, thus this range of scores would likely be greater if all deer were considered.
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#2037358 - 08/19/10 03:19 PM Re: good deer info [Re: Andy S.]
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FYI - same slide, presentation and accompanying data was discussed in this topic last week.. \:\)

http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2028512&page=0&fpart=1
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#2037362 - 08/19/10 03:21 PM Re: good deer info [Re: Andy S.]
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How about these slides...




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#2037366 - 08/19/10 03:23 PM Re: good deer info [Re: BigGameGuy]
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Someone is probably going to come on and tell me I CAN'T do this, but I've already done it. \:D

Here's the percentage change from age class to age class of the above graph:

Gross B&C Scores
41.6
82.4
= Yearlings to 2 1/2's: + 98.1% (Nearly double in one year!)

108.7 = 2 1/2's to 3 1/2's: + 31.9%

123.2 = 3 1/2's to 4 1/2's: + 13.3%

130.6 = 4 1/2's to 5 1/2's: + 06.0%

131.2 = 5 1/2's to 6 1/2's: + 00.5%

Or how about this:

Gross B&C Scores
82.4
123.2 = 2 1/2's to 4 1/2's: + 49.5%

130.6 = 2 1/2's to 5 1/2's: + 58.5%

131.2 = 2 1/2's to 6 1/2's: + 59.2%

Just my opinion but if anyone has a goal of trying to kill a buck with high-scoring antlers, they should TOTALLY exclude 2 1/2's from harvest. And if you want to step it up a notch, giving yourself a greater opportunity at the highest scoring antlers, take no deer younger than 4 1/2.

Or just get two birds with one stone when you focus on harvesting mature bucks: \:\)

1) The challenge of the mature buck being a great "trophy" regardless of his antlers;
2) Your taking that particular buck when he grew his largest or near largest antlers.

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#2037370 - 08/19/10 03:26 PM Re: good deer info [Re: Wes Parrish]
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We should institute an earn-a-buck program in Tennessee, every hunter should be required to shoot a spike before they are allowed their buck of choice! \:D
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#2037386 - 08/19/10 03:38 PM Re: good deer info [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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Great Info. Thanks for sharing.
Twins, or more fawns can have different fathers I did not know.
I had a sneaky feeling leaving them young basket heads alone would was good though.
Look for them pot bellys...
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#2037411 - 08/19/10 03:50 PM Re: good deer info [Re: skynimrod]
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 Originally Posted By: skynimrod
Look for them pot bellys...

And GIGANTIC necks! \:\)

By the way, anyone think a 155-inch 5 1/2-yr-old buck isn't a "trophy"?

Just because spikes usually don't grow up to be AS LARGE as larger-antlered yearlings ---- doesn't mean they can't be great trophies. IMO, antlers shouldn't be a factor regarding whether we let any yearling or 2 1/2-yr-old buck walk, or not walk.

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#2037412 - 08/19/10 03:51 PM Re: good deer info [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
We should institute an earn-a-buck program in Tennessee, every hunter should be required to shoot a spike before they are allowed their buck of choice! \:D

And it should only apply to bowhunters!

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#2037476 - 08/19/10 04:50 PM Re: good deer info [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Good calculations Wes. And both the average percent increase per year and actual average increase in gross inches is why I tell big-antler hunters to think hard about passing a buck that is 4 1/2. Now if antler score is your goal, it's obvious why you would want to pass 3 1/2 year-olds. The increase from 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 averages 13.3%, or 14.5 gross inches. That's a lot. But when it comes to the change from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2, an antler hunter has to think hard about passing a 4 1/2. The average increase from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 is only 7.4%, or 6 gross inches. Considering all of the factors involved in passing a 4 1/2 year-old and then killing him at 5 1/2 (natural mortality, hunting pressure, the difficulty of killing a 5 1/2 year-old buck, etc.), is it worth the risk for possibly 6 more gross inches? Each hunter will have to make that decision themselves.
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#2037514 - 08/19/10 05:27 PM Re: good deer info [Re: BSK]
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it's not worth 6 more inches for me
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#2037554 - 08/19/10 06:04 PM Re: good deer info [Re: ghosthunter]
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Me either.
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#2037827 - 08/19/10 09:33 PM Re: good deer info [Re: Wes Parrish]
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