#2035498 - 08/18/10 10:42 AM
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I personally think there is no real difference in the two. Sure there is more work to food plots BUT they are both using food to attract wildlife/whitetail. Also one is legal and one not.
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#2035517 - 08/18/10 10:51 AM
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I feel as though there is a big difference in planting an agriculture crop and pouring 50lbs of corn on the ground.
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#2035544 - 08/18/10 11:03 AM
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I feel as though there is a big difference in planting an agriculture crop and pouring 50lbs of corn on the ground. You are right BUT they are STILL both using food to attract deer. It's a separate issue if you are shooting deer off of your lively hood.
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#2035549 - 08/18/10 11:05 AM
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I don't have a problem with food plots, but I think there are way too many hunters that rely on hunting over food plots.
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#2035555 - 08/18/10 11:08 AM
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generally a food plot is much more spread out than a pile of corn. animals sharing a pile of corn will be in very close contact increasing the risk of spreading disease. the corn itself can actually kill the deer. if not refreshed often, the corn will be gone after a while. the food plot benefits the deer for months.
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#2035568 - 08/18/10 11:13 AM
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I personally think there is no real difference in the two. they are both using food to attract wildlife/whitetail. Not to get drawn into a debate over this subject... but to answer your question of whats the difference... the "kill area" is the difference. In other words the corn pile is in a "spot" where as a food plot is at least 1/2 acre or larger if it is really effective. And the plot is open, so an effective hunter knows sitting out on the plot increases his chances of being busted. If he backs off the plot he has now increased his shot difficulty and has to rely more on his own personal skill to find the right spot to set up. A pile of corn right in the middle of the woods near a hub of trails will be much easier to hunt once the deer are conditioned to it and the hunter knows exactly where the deer will be standing. I'm not for or against baiting, but the difference between "bait" and "food plot" is quite easy to see. IMO
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#2035599 - 08/18/10 11:37 AM
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! NOT AGAIN . I'm with Mup i'm gonna get my popcorn out
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#2035628 - 08/18/10 11:53 AM
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this again.....geesh!!!!!
lol
I don't care for hunting over food plots either...Planting food to attract animals that is not natural in the area is not right..IMO. Anyone ever seen any biologic growing on the side of the road or on the dinner table????
Planitng them to help the herd is great but plant it in an area where you are not hunting.....
and no, bean and corn fields are NOT foodplots.....lol.
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#2035685 - 08/18/10 12:48 PM
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and no, bean and corn fields are NOT foodplots.....lol. LOL, they are probably one of the most affective food plots known to man! A bean field will draw deer as good as anything that grows! Why would you exclude these 2 crops from being a food plot?
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#2036215 - 08/18/10 07:06 PM
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If you planted a oak tree and hunted it 15 years later when it was dropping acorns, would you consider it a food plot?
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#2036244 - 08/18/10 07:31 PM
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I personally think there is no real difference in the two. Sure there is more work to food plots BUT they are both using food to attract wildlife/whitetail. Also one is legal and one not.
Most people that don't have private land to hunt feel this way. Usually if they do they find the enjoyment of food plots and habitat management.
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#2036254 - 08/18/10 07:36 PM
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I bait in our food plots. put a feeder up right in the middle.
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#2036396 - 08/18/10 08:52 PM
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this again.....geesh!!!!!
lol
I don't care for hunting over food plots either...Planting food to attract animals that is not natural in the area is not right..IMO. Anyone ever seen any biologic growing on the side of the road or on the dinner table????
Planitng them to help the herd is great but plant it in an area where you are not hunting.....
and no, bean and corn fields are NOT foodplots.....lol.
Right,because you hunt over a bean field,but if you planted it,would it be a food plot?
Or,is Richmanbbq's soybean food plot,not a food plot,cause it is beans... lol
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#2036756 - 08/19/10 08:04 AM
Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
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I like this definition wikipedia had for foodplot....
A food plot is a planted area set aside to act as a food source for wildlife. The term was coined by the U.S. hunting and outdoor industries. Food plots generally consist of but are not limited to legumes (clovers, alfalfa, beans, etc.) or forage grasses.
Most products used for food plots are or were derived from agricultural variants of forages. The oldest company to start developing products for food plots is the Whitetail Institute of North America in 1988.
In 2001 the United States Fish and Wildlife Service announced that 8.7 million people across the country maintained some sort of planting for the sole benefit of wildlife. This group of people spent $699 million on these plantings.
Food plots generally differ from a similar planting called re-vegetation. Re-vegetation generally refers to planting naturally growing grasses, legumes, shrubs, and trees. Food plots will provide higher nutritional value plants than what nature has supplied, therefore a higher density and diversity of animals will thrive near a food plot.
IMO, the biggest differences in foodplots and agricultural fields is that one (ag field)is planted and harvested to benefit man and "feeding the wildlife" is simply a nice by-product, where the other (foodplot) is not harvested but planted and left there for the sole benefit of attracting wildlife....Also, as stated in the definition above, most foodplots are planted with plants derived from variant forages and NOT naturally growing vegetation and supply much more nutrition , thus having a much more attractant value for wildlife....Whether you choose to hunt over either or both is of course your choice, but don't mistake one for the other.....or accuse someone that hunts over a bean or corn field of hunting over a foodplot.
Throughout history, man has created things in his progression that has benefitted game. Most game appear to love most of them.
Anyone hunt powerlines or man-made water sources?
Does anyone realize that when you clearcut or even select cut timber, you are benefitting and attracting game to that area....?
How about roadways and any clearing projects......how many deer do you see standing on the side of the road eating vegetation that would not be there if not for the man-made roadway/clearing.
Are any of the above considered foodplots?
Nope.....just like harvested bean fields, corn fields, wheat fields and so forth should not be either.....
I guess that if you wanted to, you could call anything a foodplot....you could pour corn out in a pile and call it a foodplot. You could call a 50 year old orchard a foodplot or simply a fencerow that grows honeysuckle every year a foodplot. You could plant new grass in your front yard and call it a foodplot, if you wanted to.
The thing is, under the current definition of a foodplot, only variant plants (not natural) planted for the sole purpose of attracting game is considered a food plot.
Sure, some people could plant an acre of beans and corn or maybe turnips to attract deer and that would be considered a foodplot, but to put all corn , bean and turnip fields in that category is not right simply because of the INTENT by the planter...
Just like some cattle farmers feed deer along with their cattle. Is it their intent to feed the deer? probably not, and this is simply another by-product of man's activities....
Confusing, I know......but, hey....aren't most things in today's world abit confusing...lol.
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#2036881 - 08/19/10 09:19 AM
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So,if you plant MORE than an acre of soybeans,is that not a food plot? So,if on the other side of your bean field stand you showed last year,there was a food plot,and a deer you wanted to harvest was standing in it,you would not shoot it I guess?
As far as "variant" plants,arent soybeans from Asia?Originally?
One more thing,why would saying ,"Your hunting over a food plot." Be a accusation?
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#2036914 - 08/19/10 09:40 AM
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Sure, some people could plant an acre of beans and corn or maybe turnips to attract deer and that would be considered a foodplot, but to put all corn , bean and turnip fields in that category is not right simply because of the INTENT by the planter...
I would say the INTENT of the hunter would play a key role in defining a food plot.
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#2036964 - 08/19/10 10:12 AM
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I like this definition wikipedia had for foodplot....
A food plot is a planted area set aside to act as a food source for wildlife. The term was coined by the U.S. hunting and outdoor industries. Food plots generally consist of but are not limited to legumes (clovers, alfalfa, beans, etc.) or forage grasses.
Most products used for food plots are or were derived from agricultural variants of forages. The oldest company to start developing products for food plots is the Whitetail Institute of North America in 1988.
In 2001 the United States Fish and Wildlife Service announced that 8.7 million people across the country maintained some sort of planting for the sole benefit of wildlife. This group of people spent $699 million on these plantings.
Food plots generally differ from a similar planting called re-vegetation. Re-vegetation generally refers to planting naturally growing grasses, legumes, shrubs, and trees. Food plots will provide higher nutritional value plants than what nature has supplied, therefore a higher density and diversity of animals will thrive near a food plot.
IMO, the biggest differences in foodplots and agricultural fields is that one (ag field)is planted and harvested to benefit man and "feeding the wildlife" is simply a nice by-product, where the other (foodplot) is not harvested but planted and left there for the sole benefit of attracting wildlife....Also, as stated in the definition above, most foodplots are planted with plants derived from variant forages and NOT naturally growing vegetation and supply much more nutrition , thus having a much more attractant value for wildlife....Whether you choose to hunt over either or both is of course your choice, but don't mistake one for the other.....or accuse someone that hunts over a bean or corn field of hunting over a foodplot.
Throughout history, man has created things in his progression that has benefitted game. Most game appear to love most of them.
Anyone hunt powerlines or man-made water sources?
Does anyone realize that when you clearcut or even select cut timber, you are benefitting and attracting game to that area....?
How about roadways and any clearing projects......how many deer do you see standing on the side of the road eating vegetation that would not be there if not for the man-made roadway/clearing.
Are any of the above considered foodplots?
Nope.....just like harvested bean fields, corn fields, wheat fields and so forth should not be either.....
I guess that if you wanted to, you could call anything a foodplot....you could pour corn out in a pile and call it a foodplot. You could call a 50 year old orchard a foodplot or simply a fencerow that grows honeysuckle every year a foodplot. You could plant new grass in your front yard and call it a foodplot, if you wanted to.
The thing is, under the current definition of a foodplot, only variant plants (not natural) planted for the sole purpose of attracting game is considered a food plot.
Sure, some people could plant an acre of beans and corn or maybe turnips to attract deer and that would be considered a foodplot, but to put all corn , bean and turnip fields in that category is not right simply because of the INTENT by the planter...
Just like some cattle farmers feed deer along with their cattle. Is it their intent to feed the deer? probably not, and this is simply another by-product of man's activities....
Confusing, I know......but, hey....aren't most things in today's world abit confusing...lol. The only confusion is what your creating for yourself. If man plants it, and it attracts deer on a yearly basis, regardless of whats done with it, why its there, or who put it there, its an attractant. Call it anything you like, but the fact that YOU didnt plant it, doesnt make it any different. Thats sorta like hunting bait and saying you didnt put it out, LMAO tell the Warden that! My point is, dont sit back and say something is wrong or you dont like it, or you wouldnt do it. When in reality you are all over it, right in the middle doing just that!
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#2036971 - 08/19/10 10:15 AM
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I guess if they ever make it legal the feeder sales will go up and the TN Sportman magazine will be full of feeder ads.... Never seen so many crossbow ads in one magazine....
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#2036994 - 08/19/10 10:34 AM
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I like this definition wikipedia had for foodplot....
A food plot is a planted area set aside to act as a food source for wildlife. The term was coined by the U.S. hunting and outdoor industries. Food plots generally consist of but are not limited to legumes (clovers, alfalfa, beans, etc.) or forage grasses.
Most products used for food plots are or were derived from agricultural variants of forages. The oldest company to start developing products for food plots is the Whitetail Institute of North America in 1988.
In 2001 the United States Fish and Wildlife Service announced that 8.7 million people across the country maintained some sort of planting for the sole benefit of wildlife. This group of people spent $699 million on these plantings.
Food plots generally differ from a similar planting called re-vegetation. Re-vegetation generally refers to planting naturally growing grasses, legumes, shrubs, and trees. Food plots will provide higher nutritional value plants than what nature has supplied, therefore a higher density and diversity of animals will thrive near a food plot.
IMO, the biggest differences in foodplots and agricultural fields is that one (ag field)is planted and harvested to benefit man and "feeding the wildlife" is simply a nice by-product, where the other (foodplot) is not harvested but planted and left there for the sole benefit of attracting wildlife....Also, as stated in the definition above, most foodplots are planted with plants derived from variant forages and NOT naturally growing vegetation and supply much more nutrition , thus having a much more attractant value for wildlife....Whether you choose to hunt over either or both is of course your choice, but don't mistake one for the other.....or accuse someone that hunts over a bean or corn field of hunting over a foodplot.
Throughout history, man has created things in his progression that has benefitted game. Most game appear to love most of them.
Anyone hunt powerlines or man-made water sources?
Does anyone realize that when you clearcut or even select cut timber, you are benefitting and attracting game to that area....?
How about roadways and any clearing projects......how many deer do you see standing on the side of the road eating vegetation that would not be there if not for the man-made roadway/clearing.
Are any of the above considered foodplots?
Nope.....just like harvested bean fields, corn fields, wheat fields and so forth should not be either.....
I guess that if you wanted to, you could call anything a foodplot....you could pour corn out in a pile and call it a foodplot. You could call a 50 year old orchard a foodplot or simply a fencerow that grows honeysuckle every year a foodplot. You could plant new grass in your front yard and call it a foodplot, if you wanted to.
The thing is, under the current definition of a foodplot, only variant plants (not natural) planted for the sole purpose of attracting game is considered a food plot.
Sure, some people could plant an acre of beans and corn or maybe turnips to attract deer and that would be considered a foodplot, but to put all corn , bean and turnip fields in that category is not right simply because of the INTENT by the planter...
Just like some cattle farmers feed deer along with their cattle. Is it their intent to feed the deer? probably not, and this is simply another by-product of man's activities....
Confusing, I know......but, hey....aren't most things in today's world abit confusing...lol. The only confusion is what your creating for yourself. If man plants it, and it attracts deer on a yearly basis, regardless of whats done with it, why its there, or who put it there, its an attractant. Call it anything you like, but the fact that YOU didnt plant it, doesnt make it any different. Thats sorta like hunting bait and saying you didnt put it out, LMAO tell the Warden that! My point is, dont sit back and say something is wrong or you dont like it, or you wouldnt do it. When in reality you are all over it, right in the middle doing just that!
I sure that bean field was naturally growing there.
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#2037025 - 08/19/10 10:51 AM
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Lets beat the dead horse some more. For me, it comes down what benefits the herd and what is legal. Does corn provide meaningful nutrition? It can in the fall and winter in a bad acorn year, but right now deer need protien, and Basspro can't keep feeders and "deer corn" on the shelves. If you want to see a good reason to not legalize baiting, look up north. Many states that allowed baiting had "bait wars" between neighbors where the deepest pockets win, until disease issues caused them to regulate or outlaw the practice.
That being said, if you are not managing the rest of your acreage through timber harvest, TSI, prescribed fire, discing old fields, etc., you are missing the boat because in most areas, native vegetation is where most of a deer's diet comes from. Food plots (and feeding, for that matter) are just another tool, but an expensive one compared to other forms of habitat management.
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#2037123 - 08/19/10 12:12 PM
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That being said, if you are not managing the rest of your acreage through timber harvest, TSI, prescribed fire, discing old fields, etc., you are missing the boat because in most areas, native vegetation is where most of a deer's diet comes from. Food plots (and feeding, for that matter) are just another tool, but an expensive one compared to other forms of habitat management. I agree, much more benefit here for the least money of all options.
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#2038090 - 08/20/10 07:33 AM
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So...what some here are saying is that everything is a foodplot....
trees, ag crops, fencerows covered in honeysuckle..etc..?
Right?
Just so that i know the next time that I am hunting an oak flat , oh, excuse me...a food plot. lol.
so...basically, anywhere that a deer stops and gets a mouthful , IS A FOODPLOT....
thanks...lol.
and what's so bad about me saying that i don't hunt foodplots (by definition, not by what some here perceive as a foodplot)?
Why can't I disagree with some here and not be chasticed for it....?
Am I not entitled to my own opinion?
guess not.....lol.
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#2038100 - 08/20/10 07:43 AM
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So,if you plant MORE than an acre of soybeans,is that not a food plot?  So,if on the other side of your bean field stand you showed last year,there was a food plot,and a deer you wanted to harvest was standing in it,you would not shoot it I guess? As far as "variant" plants,arent soybeans from Asia?Originally? One more thing,why would saying ,"Your hunting over a food plot." Be a accusation?
This is my exact quote, not what someone picked apart ....
***Whether you choose to hunt over either or both is of course your choice, but don't mistake one for the other.....or accuse someone that hunts over a bean or corn field of hunting over a foodplot.
What I was saying is that if you hunt over biologic , you are hunting over a foodplot. if you are hunting the edge of a bean field or corn field, you are not...IMO. It is your choice to hunt over either, but don't confuse the two simply because just because it attracts game , does not make it a "specifically planted food plot".......just like corn spilled out on the ground during harvest is not the same as corn bought and poured out on the ground....they make look the same and may provide the same attactant value and you do have corn on the ground under your stand, BUT one is a by-product of ag practices and thusly is not the same as baiting (pouring corn out of a bag)...
pretty simple in my eyes.
The same as a corn field that you dove hunt over.....a harvested field is not the same as a dirt field that you baited with corn...they look simila in that they both have corn laying on the ground, but try to tell that to the game warden, as someone here so eloqunetly put it....lol.
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#2038136 - 08/20/10 08:05 AM
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BH, take the blinders off. Hunting a bean field is hunting a bean field. It doesnt matter who planted it or why, its a bean field! Both will attract deer, period! The point is, dont say you wont hunt a food plot if you hunt a bean field, cause both are the same! If you find a pile of corn, whether spilled or poured out, and you decide to hunt it, does it matter to the deer how it got there? Dont judge others until you look in the mirror!
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#2038160 - 08/20/10 08:23 AM
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BH, take the blinders off. Hunting a bean field is hunting a bean field. It doesnt matter who planted it or why, its a bean field! Both will attract deer, period! The point is, dont say you wont hunt a food plot if you hunt a bean field, cause both are the same! If you find a pile of corn, whether spilled or poured out, and you decide to hunt it, does it matter to the deer how it got there? Dont judge others until you look in the mirror! agreed,unless you can twist it to make it sound like your not
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