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#2031788 - 08/15/10 08:34 PM Deer Cover scents!
Boone 58
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Bsk , i would like your input also.
I have of course for years used the normal during pre-rut and rut...but during bow season i am beginning to think there are few things better for cover than Raccoon urine.....
Every property i know of is loaded with them and it just seems natural that this would work great as a "cover".
i have used doe pee in bow season and had fawns lead their mother straight to me on more than one occasion....
so i guess my question is do you all think it is better to just cover the scent with coon or try to use doe pee to settle them?
I have had does many times track me to my own deer stand with the pee on my feet.....
some got stuck, some came in so quiet they spooked me...lmbo!
what is yalls opinion and experience?
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#2031853 - 08/15/10 09:09 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Boone 58]
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I used to use cover scents but have since learned that it is better for me to use nothing at all. I prefer to just spray down good and hope they don't smell anything.
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#2031869 - 08/15/10 09:14 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: 156p&y]
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I came across some Dominant Buck Urine a few yrs back and I figured what the heck.... I haven't changed since.. Seen a lot more bucks since I started using it...JMO
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#2031887 - 08/15/10 09:25 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: gator-n-buck]
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If the doe stuff is bringing deer to your stand why wouldn't you just continue to use it?...
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#2031898 - 08/15/10 09:28 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: tndrbstr]
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Can you "cover" a deers nose?
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#2031902 - 08/15/10 09:29 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: tndrbstr]
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I set up for that purpose and that has never really been an issue, the problem is they usually come in curious and at alert as to what i am...i suspect they pick up some of my other scents i am putting off. The results have been mixed and i prefer to have deer enter unaware of me totally rather than in a curious state. After a few times the curious becomes a determined effort to see what is intruding into their area and the surprise attack becomes thwarted.
It is not fail proof by any means.
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#2031905 - 08/15/10 09:30 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Football Hunter]
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You sneak up on him! lmbo!
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#2031919 - 08/15/10 09:35 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Boone 58]
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 Originally Posted By: camoman270
I set up for that purpose and that has never really been an issue, the problem is they usually come in curious and at alert as to what i am...i suspect they pick up some of my other scents i am putting off. The results have been mixed and i prefer to have deer enter unaware of me totally rather than in a curious state. After a few times the curious becomes a determined effort to see what is intruding into their area and the surprise attack becomes thwarted.
It is not fail proof by any means.


If they are coming into range any ways then maybe you shouldn't use it,...but If not, I would rather them come in cautiously than not be comeing in at all...for what its worth, I don't use any type of scent...





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#2032035 - 08/15/10 10:34 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: camoman270
I set up for that purpose and that has never really been an issue, the problem is they usually come in curious and at alert as to what i am...i suspect they pick up some of my other scents i am putting off. The results have been mixed and i prefer to have deer enter unaware of me totally rather than in a curious state. After a few times the curious becomes a determined effort to see what is intruding into their area and the surprise attack becomes thwarted.
It is not fail proof by any means.
You can not cover human scent, a deer can pick out and tell the difference in many mixed scents. No matter how many scents are present, deer smell them individually.







Edited by Timber Ghost (08/15/10 10:35 PM)
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#2032045 - 08/15/10 10:47 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Timber Ghost]
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Personally, I don't use cover scents because I have found that all it does is make them aware that something is around that normally isn't. I will hang a tarsal gland up during the rut, if it feels right; but other than that I try to stay as scent-free as possible.
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#2032046 - 08/15/10 10:49 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Timber Ghost]
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The raccoon pee probably smells nothing like the raccoon pee that is real in that area. It's probably much stronger too. I wouldn't use anything. Spray some scent killer and try and stay as scent free as possible.
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#2032047 - 08/15/10 10:53 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: whistlinwingman]
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cover scents cover nothing
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#2032064 - 08/15/10 11:39 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: stik]
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I would humbly suggest to not put anything on yourself, but use scent out somewhere where you'd want the deer to go for optimal projectile placement!
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#2032150 - 08/16/10 06:18 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Whitehorse]
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Another gimmick that is not needed to be successful, IMO.
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#2032260 - 08/16/10 08:55 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Way back when, I used to use fox pee as a cover scent. I've had deer follow my trail right up to within 10yds of my tree sniffing that stuff as well. I too now use no cover scents and try to be as "scent free" as possible. Hey, it it works for ya, more power to ya. ;\)
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#2032304 - 08/16/10 09:28 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: MUP]
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No such thing as a 'cover' scent. Deer can discern several smells at one time. If I put Coon scent on, I would simply smell like a human with a coon to the deer. I try to minimize my own scent and be as scent free as possible myself.
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#2032403 - 08/16/10 11:02 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Winchester]
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Deep woods off is my favorite cover scent. I've killed plenty of deer and had opportunites to kill many, many more while wearing it. Helps that I'm not moving around swatting mosquitos.
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#2032478 - 08/16/10 12:06 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
Deep woods off is my favorite cover scent. I've killed plenty of deer and had opportunites to kill many, many more while wearing it. Helps that I'm not moving around swatting mosquitos.
I hate spraying that stuff on myself,Thermacell for me
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#2032488 - 08/16/10 12:12 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Football Hunter]
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yeah i dont use any anymore and the word Scent-free is funny to me as well. i dont care how scent-free anyone tries to be it is virtually impossible unless you are in a bubble (not saying one shouldnt try). just hunt facing the wind and hope for the best.
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#2032570 - 08/16/10 01:00 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: REN]
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I got curious back when I was in grad school working with deer, so started some experimentation with the popular "cover" scents, primarily fox and raccoon urine. My findings were interesting, and changed the way i hunt forever.

i found that deer in heavily hunted areas actually learn to associate those scents with humans. Think about it, everybody and their brother has covered their boots with the stuff. the deer learn to avoid areas where the scent is heavy.

But, like many others have stated, it does not cover your scent, it only adds a layer to the odors you are putting off. Hunt the wind, because you can't fool those noses.
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#2033150 - 08/16/10 08:05 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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99% scent eliminator, its all you need. Don't let anything know you are in the woods.
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#2033355 - 08/16/10 10:06 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: varminthunter]
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 Originally Posted By: varminthunter
99% scent eliminator, its all you need. Don't let anything know you are in the woods.
Except all the deer that can smell that "1%" just fine. Oh, and the lawyers who told them not to call it 100% eliminator so they don't get sued for false advertising like the makers of Scentlock did. http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=335941

Is that really a product?


Edited by Pursuit Hunter (08/16/10 10:18 PM)
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#2033379 - 08/16/10 10:21 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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I been reading all this stuff about cover scents and I'm not sure any of us have a clue what we are talking about... I once used coon urine as a cover scent (3 tinks bomb containers full around me) and I wasn't hanging that high (18 ft.) in the tree.... I had two does and yerling walk all over me for approx. 50 minutes.... I was in the wide open from there direction and a few times the does would look UP my way while feeding.... They never figured me out but they were smelling something that caused them to look up my way...

Using buck urine last year and had a buck (Very nice 10 pt.)come in the wrong direction behind me off the ridge..... He stop short and started stomping for several minutes... I finally tried to turn on him (sling rubbed stand) and he went about 60 yards into a thicket but stopped and turned bac into my direction to figure out what was going on....

I don't believe any of these deer and others detected human scent..... I do want to add that I go to the extreme (washing, clothes, boots, spraying, and changing clothes before hunt) to eliminate scent....


Edited by gator-n-buck (08/16/10 10:22 PM)

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#2033387 - 08/16/10 10:29 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I been reading all this stuff about cover scents and I'm not sure any of us have a clue what we are talking about... I once used coon urine as a cover scent (3 tinks bomb containers full around me) and I wasn't hanging that high (18 ft.) in the tree.... I had two does and yerling walk all over me for approx. 50 minutes.... I was in the wide open from there direction and a few times the does would look UP my way while feeding.... They never figured me out but they were smelling something that caused them to look up my way...

Using buck urine last year and had a buck (Very nice 10 pt.)come in the wrong direction behind me off the ridge..... He stop short and started stomping for several minutes... I finally tried to turn on him (sling rubbed stand) and he went about 60 yards into a thicket but stopped and turned bac into my direction to figure out what was going on....

I don't believe any of these deer and others detected human scent..... I do want to add that I go to the extreme (washing, clothes, boots, spraying, and changing clothes before hunt) to eliminate scent....
I've had deer bed down directly underneath my tree and go to sleep, and I stunk to high heaven from the walk in wearing my stand and carrying another hunter's. Dropped pieces of apple on their heads just to see what they'd do... nothing, but eventually they got tired of it and moved. Having deer around doesn't prove anything about the effectiveness of cover scents.
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#2033401 - 08/16/10 10:41 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I been reading all this stuff about cover scents and I'm not sure any of us have a clue what we are talking about... I once used coon urine as a cover scent (3 tinks bomb containers full around me) and I wasn't hanging that high (18 ft.) in the tree.... I had two does and yerling walk all over me for approx. 50 minutes.... I was in the wide open from there direction and a few times the does would look UP my way while feeding.... They never figured me out but they were smelling something that caused them to look up my way...

Using buck urine last year and had a buck (Very nice 10 pt.)come in the wrong direction behind me off the ridge..... He stop short and started stomping for several minutes... I finally tried to turn on him (sling rubbed stand) and he went about 60 yards into a thicket but stopped and turned bac into my direction to figure out what was going on....

I don't believe any of these deer and others detected human scent..... I do want to add that I go to the extreme (washing, clothes, boots, spraying, and changing clothes before hunt) to eliminate scent....
I've had deer bed down directly underneath my tree and go to sleep, and I stunk to high heaven from the walk in wearing my stand and carrying another hunter's. Dropped pieces of apple on their heads just to see what they'd do... nothing, but eventually they got tired of it and moved. Having deer around doesn't prove anything about the effectiveness of cover scents.


I agree... who really knows how good a deer nose is.... I never asked one... I know some hunting dogs are better then others when it comes to there nose.... Maybe not all deer are created equal...

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#2033445 - 08/16/10 11:39 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: gator-n-buck]
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I have been hunting sense 89 i use no sent eliminator i even smoke while i hunt and 90 percent of the time i hunt off the ground.i kill plenty of deer no B.C. bucks but some nice bucks and plenty of does
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#2033639 - 08/17/10 08:01 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I been reading all this stuff about cover scents and I'm not sure any of us have a clue what we are talking about... I once used coon urine as a cover scent (3 tinks bomb containers full around me) and I wasn't hanging that high (18 ft.) in the tree.... I had two does and yerling walk all over me for approx. 50 minutes.... I was in the wide open from there direction and a few times the does would look UP my way while feeding.... They never figured me out but they were smelling something that caused them to look up my way...

Using buck urine last year and had a buck (Very nice 10 pt.)come in the wrong direction behind me off the ridge..... He stop short and started stomping for several minutes... I finally tried to turn on him (sling rubbed stand) and he went about 60 yards into a thicket but stopped and turned bac into my direction to figure out what was going on....

I don't believe any of these deer and others detected human scent..... I do want to add that I go to the extreme (washing, clothes, boots, spraying, and changing clothes before hunt) to eliminate scent....


Trying to ascertain what an animal was and wasn't perceiving simply through observation doesn't produce an accurate picture.

The concept of a "cover scent"--a scent so strong that a deer can't smell the human underneath--simply doesn't hold water. That's not how the sense of smell works. However, we humans too often consider things from our own perspective. We have one of the worst senses of smell in the mammilian world, yet we use our perceptions of our own sense of smell--which is easily overpowered or fooled--and think other animals sense of smell works the same way. That just isn't the case.

How long have drug-smugglers been trying to fool the noses of drug-sniffing dogs, and failing, even when the drugs are enclosed in airtight containers burried in strong smelling stuff like coffee or gasoline? Deer easily have noses better than the best bloodhound, yet we think some skunk scent or cedar smell can fool their noses? A good bloodhound can follow an individual person's scent down a paved sidewalk used by hundreds of different people days after the event. Deer have better noses than that, and we think we can "cover" our scent? Nope.
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#2033647 - 08/17/10 08:07 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I been reading all this stuff about cover scents and I'm not sure any of us have a clue what we are talking about... I once used coon urine as a cover scent (3 tinks bomb containers full around me) and I wasn't hanging that high (18 ft.) in the tree.... I had two does and yerling walk all over me for approx. 50 minutes.... I was in the wide open from there direction and a few times the does would look UP my way while feeding.... They never figured me out but they were smelling something that caused them to look up my way...

Using buck urine last year and had a buck (Very nice 10 pt.)come in the wrong direction behind me off the ridge..... He stop short and started stomping for several minutes... I finally tried to turn on him (sling rubbed stand) and he went about 60 yards into a thicket but stopped and turned bac into my direction to figure out what was going on....

I don't believe any of these deer and others detected human scent..... I do want to add that I go to the extreme (washing, clothes, boots, spraying, and changing clothes before hunt) to eliminate scent....
One good reason they might not have smelled you Gator is,if was in the morning,air tends to rise on the warming thermals,so it wouldnt matter what you smelled like,unless they were uphill,above you,in the direction the wind was blowing.
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#2033652 - 08/17/10 08:11 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Football Hunter]
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One cool thing to do,is get some of those wind floaters,when your in your stand,or on your back porch,let a few go.

When they go down wind watch em,sometimes they stay flat ,sometimes they go down,but SOMETIMES!!!! They go UP!This is how,I believe we at times end up thinking we fooled a deers nose,when thwy are down wind of us,also my favorite when hunting,unless deer start climbing trees to wind check. \:\)


Edited by Football Hunter (08/17/10 08:12 AM)
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#2033689 - 08/17/10 08:40 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I been reading all this stuff about cover scents and I'm not sure any of us have a clue what we are talking about... I once used coon urine as a cover scent (3 tinks bomb containers full around me) and I wasn't hanging that high (18 ft.) in the tree.... I had two does and yerling walk all over me for approx. 50 minutes.... I was in the wide open from there direction and a few times the does would look UP my way while feeding.... They never figured me out but they were smelling something that caused them to look up my way...

Using buck urine last year and had a buck (Very nice 10 pt.)come in the wrong direction behind me off the ridge..... He stop short and started stomping for several minutes... I finally tried to turn on him (sling rubbed stand) and he went about 60 yards into a thicket but stopped and turned bac into my direction to figure out what was going on....

I don't believe any of these deer and others detected human scent..... I do want to add that I go to the extreme (washing, clothes, boots, spraying, and changing clothes before hunt) to eliminate scent....


Trying to ascertain what an animal was and wasn't perceiving simply through observation doesn't produce an accurate picture.

The concept of a "cover scent"--a scent so strong that a deer can't smell the human underneath--simply doesn't hold water. That's not how the sense of smell works. However, we humans too often consider things from our own perspective. We have one of the worst senses of smell in the mammilian world, yet we use our perceptions of our own sense of smell--which is easily overpowered or fooled--and think other animals sense of smell works the same way. That just isn't the case.

How long have drug-smugglers been trying to fool the noses of drug-sniffing dogs, and failing, even when the drugs are enclosed in airtight containers burried in strong smelling stuff like coffee or gasoline? Deer easily have noses better than the best bloodhound, yet we think some skunk scent or cedar smell can fool their noses? A good bloodhound can follow an individual person's scent down a paved sidewalk used by hundreds of different people days after the event. Deer have better noses than that, and we think we can "cover" our scent? Nope.


I agree.... I just think sometimes cover scents can throw them off a little... Even K-9s that are right on top of the objects they are checking have to work a little harder when cover scents are used.... I agree totally with you and grew up with hunting dogs..... Just wanted to throw a little debate out there....

P.S. I have personally had great luck with Dominant Buck Urine... I'm not sure how well it does as a cover scent but it seems to draw the bucks in through out deer season..... I have seen a lot more buck in the last several season since I stumbled across this stuff....

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#2033715 - 08/17/10 09:02 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Although I pretty much try to be as scent free as possible, I have in the past used deer attracting scents, and with some success I might add. I once had a good 8 pt come from directly downwind of me, from out of a hollow, while I was on the ground, smelling the Dan Fitzgerald's "Doe in need" buck lure. That deer came within 20 yds of me, again, directly down wind. Maybe his sense of "rut" was overpowering his natural sense of alarm, I don't know, but he made for some good eating. ;\)
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#2033723 - 08/17/10 09:04 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: MUP]
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Hey Mup,just wondering,was the doe scent on the ground,and you up a tree?Could be that your scent was just above his nose,maybe.
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#2033773 - 08/17/10 09:34 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Football Hunter]
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We will never fully understand other animals' sense of smell because we basically don't have one in comparison. We're talking about animals that can identify each other individually from the smell of footprints or urine that is days old. We simply can't fathom that ability.
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#2033795 - 08/17/10 09:49 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
We will never fully understand other animals' sense of smell because we basically don't have one in comparison. We're talking about animals that can identify each other individually from the smell of footprints or urine that is days old. We simply can't fathom that ability.



Nope!,...

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#2033808 - 08/17/10 09:57 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: tndrbstr]
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Never be fooled into thinking you can totally eliminate your scent
I have seen deer cross my trail 5,6 hours old and it was like they hit a brick wall
I to take care of my scent as well as I can tell ya you mut play the thermals and wind if you have any.
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#2033822 - 08/17/10 10:08 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Good time Charlie]
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 Originally Posted By: Darton man
I have seen deer cross my trail 5,6 hours old and it was like they hit a brick wall


I have watched deer react negatively to a branch I touched with my bare hands more than a week later, even after a rain. Scents associated with biological oils, such as is on our skin, last a long time and are not easily washed away.
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#2033855 - 08/17/10 10:27 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: BSK]
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I have watched deer react negatively to a branch I touched with my bare hands more than a week later, even after a rain

Are you serious BSK? A week later?
Deer never cease to amaze me, but I had no idea they could detect odor that far out, even after a rain?? I have never heard of such, but I learn something every day!
I always feel pretty good after a few days and a good rain on my area after I have been in there, sounds like I may have false feelings?
I will agree with others however that many deer are conditioned much more in not worrying about human scent too much.
A situation comes to mind, just last fall there were 4 of us hanging some loc-ons on a field edge on observed entry trails. We spent quite a bit of time and I know left a fair amount of scent all along that field edge. Later in the day I went to another small farm to hang another stand, an hour befor dark the farmer calls and tells me to get back if I could that there were some deer I would like to see in the field from that morning. We hurried back and watched about 40 deer all working and feeding in the same field edge where we had hung stands that morning. There were multiple bucks all the way to 4 1/2 yrs old and 145 inches of antler, all under 2 or 3 of my stands that had only been there a few hours! LOL They were feeding right where I had laid stands and jackets on the ground, even sat down to work on a stick section! I know there was a ton of scent there, they just ignored it, probably due to the fact it was a working farm and human scent was a daily occurence. Its amazing how far apart the opposite ends of their tolerance can be??

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#2033862 - 08/17/10 10:30 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
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I have watched deer react negatively to a branch I touched with my bare hands more than a week later, even after a rain

Are you serious BSK? A week later?


Ten days to be exact. And after a pretty good rain.
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#2033876 - 08/17/10 10:34 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: BSK]
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I have watched deer react negatively to a branch I touched with my bare hands more than a week later, even after a rain

Are you serious BSK? A week later?


Ten days to be exact. And after a pretty good rain.

Simply amazing!

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#2033908 - 08/17/10 10:54 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Football Hunter]
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Hey Mup,just wondering,was the doe scent on the ground,and you up a tree?Could be that your scent was just above his nose,maybe.


Nope, I was on the ground, sitting on a stump, and he came from below me, out of a holler, directly downwind of me. I can only attribute this to him smelling that scent and it overpowering his natural survival instinct to run, with an urge to "rut". ;\)

Now, the scent was sprayed in between me and the direction from whence he came.


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#2033924 - 08/17/10 11:03 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: MUP]
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it just has so many variables attached to it as well. pressure is a key, landscape ect..... i have had deer come in directly down wind and never even suspect i was there, then some days i have had one blowing at me a mile away some how. I personally want to add as little scent in the woods as possible.

BSK i have had a similar experience before. I had a BIG white oak acorn in my pocket one time and decided to just throw it out in front of my stand. about 4 days later (after a GOOD rain) i had 2 does come through feeding and sure enough when they got to that acorn it was like a shot went off!! they ran away quick and never looked back. that was a lesson learned for sure.

then again i have had plenty of times a deer goes right over where i peed or spit, just never know what a wild animal will do
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#2033954 - 08/17/10 11:27 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: REN]
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BSK i have had a similar experience before. I had a BIG white oak acorn in my pocket one time and decided to just throw it out in front of my stand. about 4 days later (after a GOOD rain) i had 2 does come through feeding and sure enough when they got to that acorn it was like a shot went off!! they ran away quick and never looked back. that was a lesson learned for sure.



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#2034008 - 08/17/10 12:05 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: fishboy1]
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hahahahah touche!
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#2034716 - 08/17/10 08:13 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: BSK]
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Great point Brian, I have read success stories for years as to the effectiveness of scents....even our ancestors used them in some form or another. it seems in the rut at times that scent has definitely worked for some folks. Do you use them? If not what type if any do you use?
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#2034973 - 08/17/10 10:38 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Boone 58]
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I always have some old deer that can avoid my cameras even if they are left out for weeks at a time, but I can go watch them almost weekly in certian fields in the summer. I believe that they are traveling with their nose to the wind and smelling the camera before they get to it in most instances.

Here is another good example. I have some friends with a high fence farm 2500 acres. They will at times have out 60+ cameras and they will never get any photos of certian bucks, nor will they ever see them during the hunting season. But every year they will find their sheds.

I do love to use tarsal glands from deer from other areas. I'll either call around or try to pick some up at the check in station. I believe that a lot of deer know the scent of deer in their areas but when you introduce an outsider they get more aggressive than usual. I might be completely nuts for thinking that but I have seen much better results using tarsal glands from deer that are not associated in that area.
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#2035289 - 08/18/10 08:29 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: Boone 58]
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 Originally Posted By: camoman270
Great point Brian, I have read success stories for years as to the effectiveness of scents....even our ancestors used them in some form or another. it seems in the rut at times that scent has definitely worked for some folks. Do you use them? If not what type if any do you use?


I use no attractant or cover scents. I just try to keep my own scent to a minimum.

For every "attractant" success story, I can give you three examples of where it scared the crap out of deer. Try something enough times and eventually a deer will respond positively. However, is this proof "it works?"
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#2035295 - 08/18/10 08:30 AM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: 156p&y]
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 Originally Posted By: 156p&y
I always have some old deer that can avoid my cameras even if they are left out for weeks at a time, but I can go watch them almost weekly in certian fields in the summer. I believe that they are traveling with their nose to the wind and smelling the camera before they get to it in most instances.


Are you using black-flash cameras?
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#2036232 - 08/18/10 07:18 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: BSK]
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I have pics of does and even bucks trying to anticipate the "flash" of the camera as they try to approach the salt. i do believe there is some merit to them being flash wary but i dont hunt where i have the salt so i dont worry....If/when using them for game trails/scrapes i have been concerned....
I have many photos over the years where when a buck is rutting and on the prowl it is plainfully obvious that "he" didnt care the least about where or when that silly flash was going of ...you could tell he was on a mission.
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#2036505 - 08/18/10 10:13 PM Re: Deer Cover scents! [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: 156p&y
I always have some old deer that can avoid my cameras even if they are left out for weeks at a time, but I can go watch them almost weekly in certian fields in the summer. I believe that they are traveling with their nose to the wind and smelling the camera before they get to it in most instances.


Are you using black-flash cameras?



Yeah, he has a Reconyx RC60.

I believe this happens in alot of cases. Though, I have found that the best way of catching these old bucks on camera are either on old logging roads right before the rut really kicks up, or on specific terrain features (close or in) to plenty of cover during the chasing phase in the most obvious places. Just about all of the ones I have are chasing does or they are cruising with their noses to the ground. It is in these locations where you can catch them off guard. When they arent looking for or chasing does, it is much harder to catch them. I have had my success gettin pics of these older deer in these specific locations and most are at night. Alot of them are in places that I overlooked, for years at a time! And I just happened to put my cams in a "random" spot from either me not wanting to walk far or me being short on time and just putting them out. Well, those spots werent so much "random" after that \:D . I think the key to these spots are them being "untouched" or atleast "overlooked by hunters" - therefore, locations that are not hunted.

Oh, this thread is about cover scents \:D .....Well, no I dont use them. Unless it is a real tarsal gland.....something you cant buy \:\)


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