#2031496 - 08/15/10 05:22 PM
Re: What is the %
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Mike Belt
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Considering that after the first does come into heat and that they recycle every 28 days all the way through Feb. and sometimes even a couple months after that it's hard to imagine many of them not being bred.
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#2031552 - 08/15/10 06:12 PM
Re: What is the %
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Good time Charlie
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Well I read on here ,I think by BSK that one buck will
successfully breed 1 doe a season if that .
It makes you wonder things do not add up.
I know we have much more doe than bucks
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#2031556 - 08/15/10 06:17 PM
Re: What is the %
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............And what would cause a doe to not be bred? A headache.   You must been married for a long time....LOL Yup. 27 years.
I'm just 5 yrs. behind you.... LOL
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#2031811 - 08/15/10 08:49 PM
Re: What is the %
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Well I read on here ,I think by BSK that one buck will
successfully breed 1 doe a season if that .
It makes you wonder things do not add up.
I know we have much more doe than bucks
Some does get bred by many bucks, with her twins having different fathers.
But what the study you mention found was that when it comes to successful breedings--produce a living fawn--few bucks sire more than one living fawn in a given year (a very few may sire several)--and quite a few bucks do not sire a living fawn in a given year.
But again, there is a big difference between breedings, births and living fawns in late summer into fall. Far fewer fawns exist by this time than fawns born, and the research on buck parentage was conducted on captured living fawns, so right off the bat you "missed" the data from all the fawns that were born but died soon after birth. And then they could only capture a given percentage of living fawns.
What I'm getting at is the actual number of fawns produced per buck was not the important information gathered from that study. What was important was to find that successful breeding is far more evenly spread through the male population than other ungulate species display--especially species that use "harem" social behavior, where a bull male collects a harem of females and he is the sole breeder of that entire harem. Whitetailed deer use a completely different social system to ensure the survival of the species. Whitetails have a social status system--a social pecking order--but within that most breeding is breeding of opportunity, which spreads out the breeding between far more males than other similar species.
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#2031825 - 08/15/10 08:57 PM
Re: What is the %
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I am glad you brot this up Brian....I have always been told that a doe will continue to come into heat every 28 or so days in her cycle "until" she gets bred.....just recently someone on a show on tv i believe said that actually a doe comes into heat for two cycles and then if not bred wont be bred.....This is a first i have ever heard. I have followed Leonard Lee Rue for most of my life as he has studied the whitetail deer for eons....and Alsheimer of deer and deer hunting but to my knowledge i have never heard them make that statement. I had always been told the first one i made. Do you know which is accurate and to me i dont see a deer going past two cycles before a buck would find her and breed her. I have a friend eye witness two young bucks during the first week of turkey season in tennessee a young doe being chased by them both, she in heat, they both lost their antlers and bloody spots showing where their pedicels were. they reared up on their hind legs and fought like does and some bucks on you tube when attacking hunters etc.....darndest thing i ever heard and would have loved for him to have captured that on video!!!
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