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#2033617 - 08/17/10 07:52 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
BH, everyone is entitled their own feelings and opinion, and seriously I think yours would be much better suited with a camera instead of a weapon. If you truly feel like the statement below, then you need a new hobby, because their are lots of things you could do that would not involve you doing something that you really dont like to do, and just do it because its part of the hobby you have chosen.
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Taking another creatures life is never something I enjoy, but it seems to be a huge part of a hunt, so on occasion, I do so
If you dont like it then dont do it!


I don't know Winchester, that view may be too harsh. I too approach taking another animal's life very, VERY seriously. It is not something I do lightly. In fact, I seriously worry about the mental health of any person who can easily take life, without consideration.
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#2033640 - 08/17/10 08:02 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: RKenney]
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Registered: 12/29/06
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 Originally Posted By: RKenney
I know where you are coming from BH, and I respect your opinion.
I know you truely love to hunt.....I can tell! Alot of posters
try to beat up on you, but I respect a man who is not afraid to
say what he really thinks.

By the way, your post probably create more discussions on this
site than any other.



Thanks for the support.....

many times, what I post gets misunderstood or maybe twisted to what others WANT it to mean.....

This post seems to have gone in that direction, so I'll try to explain abit further....

Many times, "hunters" talk about killing as if they get some sort of "orgasmic" feeling as they watch something die. maybe they are confused about what gave them that feeling. maybe it was the minutes, or even seconds leading up to the shot that triggered this feeling of euphoria......maybe it was the fact that they succeeded on their hunt and that gave them that feeling or maybe they DO have some weird twisted sense of DOMINATION and being on the top of the food chain gives them this strange feeling of POWER. I do not know.

All I can do is speak for myself.

I have never had an issue with taking a deer that I have chosen to take. The same goes for any game animal.

I have been "killin' stuff for more than 40 years. I have stomped squirrels heads, ripped heads off of doves, slapped the back of a rabbits head across the butt of my shotgun...all in the effort to be a conscience, ethical hunter. Did I enjoy taking those lives......no. I enjoyed the hunt and making the shot, but did I get some sort of pathetic obsessive pleasure out of watching another creature die.......no.

I would like to think that most hunters, if not all, have some sort of respect for the life that they are taking when they succeed in the field.....however, I fear that some do not.

I do think that some hunters confuse the feeling of succeeding with what they think is pleasure in killing. If you achieve pleasure killing without the effort of the hunt, then I trust that you would enjoy killing most anything and the actual hunt itself is not pleasureable to you........

In my opinion, if you do enjoy killing and you do get some sort of weird feeling about your power over the animal you took, then maybe hunting is not so much of a sport or an enjoyment for you, but more of a NEED to kill.

These type of hunters feel no satisfaction from the hunt and no joy in their success unless they get blood on their hands......

I just happen to not be one of those type hunters....

Good luck to all of you this season and may you get whatever it is that you seek out of it. I have a successful season every year, but I seem to have a different view on what defines success than others here.

no offense intended to anyone....

thanks
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#2033645 - 08/17/10 08:05 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
BH, everyone is entitled their own feelings and opinion, and seriously I think yours would be much better suited with a camera instead of a weapon. If you truly feel like the statement below, then you need a new hobby, because their are lots of things you could do that would not involve you doing something that you really dont like to do, and just do it because its part of the hobby you have chosen.
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Taking another creatures life is never something I enjoy, but it seems to be a huge part of a hunt, so on occasion, I do so
If you dont like it then dont do it!


I don't Winchester, that view may be too harsh. I too approach taking another animal's life very, VERY seriously. It is not something I do lightly. In fact, I seriously worry about the mental health of any person who can easily take life, without consideration.

Then why do you guys hunt with a weapon? If you dont like what you have set out to do, which in hunting the end result is 100% the killing of an animal, then why do it? If it bothered me to the point of not liking it, I would definitely not do it. Any Hobby I ever had that I really didnt like, especially the very root of the Hobby, I have simply stopped causing myself the discomfort and found something that I liked all parts of! Im being totally serious here guys, I think a camera would solve your issues. You could still do all the parts you enjoy, all the way from habitat improvement to hanging stands, and then snap a pic and still enjoy that as well, instead of having a part that that you dont like!
Hunting is solely based on killing, if the kill didnt come then hunting would not exist, period! I totally understand someone not wanting to hunt, thats fine, but I wont apologize for loving to hunt myself, its a part of me and what makes me tick. Its how we evolved, and sure we dont hunt for substinence (sp) anymore but hunting is the same, you hunt and kill an animal! I think there are way too many things out there to do, for someone to be doing something they really dont like to do!

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#2033670 - 08/17/10 08:23 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK

I don't Winchester, that view may be too harsh. I too approach taking another animal's life very, VERY seriously. It is not something I do lightly. In fact, I seriously worry about the mental health of any person who can easily take life, without consideration.


Once I see a deer I want to kill I give more thought to blinking my eyes than I do pulling the trigger. I believe its just instinctive to kill something that Im going to eat.

Or I could be mentally ill. \:D
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#2033674 - 08/17/10 08:28 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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Or I could be mentally ill.

LOL, me too TNR, cause once I make the decision to kill something, I do my very best to do so in the most efficient manner I know how!

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#2033718 - 08/17/10 09:03 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
 Originally Posted By: BSK

I don't Winchester, that view may be too harsh. I too approach taking another animal's life very, VERY seriously. It is not something I do lightly. In fact, I seriously worry about the mental health of any person who can easily take life, without consideration.


Once I see a deer I want to kill I give more thought to blinking my eyes than I do pulling the trigger. I believe its just instinctive to kill something that Im going to eat.


To provide is instinctive. Killing is often part of that. Gaining "pleasure" from successfully providing is why it has become instinctive--it is "how" Nature produces the instinct. You can kill to provide--or kill to be successful--and still take the process of causing death seriously.

However, killing without cumpunction--for no reason other than causing death--or revelling in causing death, is a serious mental illness.
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#2033725 - 08/17/10 09:06 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
 Originally Posted By: BSK

I don't Winchester, that view may be too harsh. I too approach taking another animal's life very, VERY seriously. It is not something I do lightly. In fact, I seriously worry about the mental health of any person who can easily take life, without consideration.


Once I see a deer I want to kill I give more thought to blinking my eyes than I do pulling the trigger. I believe its just instinctive to kill something that Im going to eat.


To provide is instinctive. Killing is often part of that. Gaining "pleasure" from successfully providing is why it has become instinctive--it is "how" Nature produces the instinct. You can kill to provide--or kill to be successful--and still take the process of causing death seriously.

However, killing without cumpunction--for no reason other than causing death--or revelling in causing death, is a serious mental illness.
Ive met RdgRunner,I dont think hes "too" crazy. \:\)
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#2033731 - 08/17/10 09:10 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: BSK]
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However, killing without cumpunction--for no reason other than causing death--or revelling in causing death, is a serious mental illness.

Sure it is, but I sure dont think thats the case with most hunters, as we, or myself anyway, actually pass up the chance to kill way more often than I actually choose to do so. If it was blind pleasure in killing, then dozens upon dozens of deer would not get a pass every year from me. I can see your point, but for a hunter to say that they dont like killing an animal at all, (like one stated above) just doesnt fit the bill.

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#2033732 - 08/17/10 09:11 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
BH, everyone is entitled their own feelings and opinion, and seriously I think yours would be much better suited with a camera instead of a weapon. If you truly feel like the statement below, then you need a new hobby, because their are lots of things you could do that would not involve you doing something that you really dont like to do, and just do it because its part of the hobby you have chosen.
 Quote:
Taking another creatures life is never something I enjoy, but it seems to be a huge part of a hunt, so on occasion, I do so
If you dont like it then dont do it!


I don't Winchester, that view may be too harsh. I too approach taking another animal's life very, VERY seriously. It is not something I do lightly. In fact, I seriously worry about the mental health of any person who can easily take life, without consideration.

Then why do you guys hunt with a weapon? If you dont like what you have set out to do, which in hunting the end result is 100% the killing of an animal, then why do it?


I didn't say I didn't like killing as a part of hunting, I said I take the fact I'm killing another living thing very seriously. Those are two different things. I can kill for justifiable reasons--and providing is a justifiable reason. But I never take the fact I'm killing lightly. It is something I have spent considerable time justifying in my own mind.

A big difference exists between revelling in a successful hunt, which often involves killing, and revelling in the act of killing. One thing that really worries me, when the inevitable thread on "Why do you deer hunt?", comes up again as it often does, is someone will posts--and it happens every time--"Because I like to see them flop!" I sure hope that person is being facetious, because I sure don't want to share the woods with someone who truly REVELS in an animal's death struggles.
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#2033736 - 08/17/10 09:14 AM Re: How choosey are YOU???? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
BH, everyone is entitled their own feelings and opinion, and seriously I think yours would be much better suited with a camera instead of a weapon. If you truly feel like the statement below, then you need a new hobby, because their are lots of things you could do that would not involve you doing something that you really dont like to do, and just do it because its part of the hobby you have chosen.
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Taking another creatures life is never something I enjoy, but it seems to be a huge part of a hunt, so on occasion, I do so
If you dont like it then dont do it!


I don't Winchester, that view may be too harsh. I too approach taking another animal's life very, VERY seriously. It is not something I do lightly. In fact, I seriously worry about the mental health of any person who can easily take life, without consideration.

Then why do you guys hunt with a weapon? If you dont like what you have set out to do, which in hunting the end result is 100% the killing of an animal, then why do it?


I didn't say I didn't like killing as a part of hunting, I said I take the fact I'm killing another living thing very seriously. Those are two different things. I can kill for justifiable reasons--and providing is a justifiable reason. But I never take the fact I'm killing lightly. It is something I have spent considerable time justifying in my own mind.

A big difference exists between revelling in a successful hunt, which often involves killing, and revelling in the act of killing. One thing that really worries me, when the inevitable thread on "Why do you deer hunt?", comes up again as it often does, is someone will posts--and it happens every time--"Because I like to see them flop!" I sure hope that person is being facetious, because I sure don't want to share the woods with someone who truly REVELS in an animal's death struggles.

I totally understand taking it seriously BSK, as I do as well. My point was to the one who said he didnt like the killing part at all, which in his case he would likely be much happier not doing so. A camera would suit him much better if he's being honest.

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