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Just watching one last night when, as usual, the guy being filmed was jawing about where he was at and what he was about to do, when the cameraman finally got his attn and pointed to a nice buck approaching. Here's where it gets a little over the top for me, they started playing some heavy metal rock as the cameral followed the buck in and up until the shot. Maybe it's just me getting older, as I used to like the rock music, but that just don't jive to me watching a nice buck coming into range while loud music blares in the background. Anyone else find this a little out of place?
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#2028780 - 08/13/10 08:45 AM
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Hunting shows aren't about hunting, they are about selling something. If they were about hunting, they would not be one big commercial. heck most of them are just a big commercial for whatever ranch or outiftter they are with anyway. Like any commercial they have a target audience, and some marketing group has said this type of music will appeal to this age group, and this age group is what you want to target blah blah blah.
i quit watching them.
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#2028791 - 08/13/10 08:53 AM
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Hunting shows aren't about hunting, they are about selling something. If they were about hunting, they would not be one big commercial. heck most of them are just a big commercial for whatever ranch or outiftter they are with anyway. Like any commercial they have a target audience, and some marketing group has said this type of music will appeal to this age group, and this age group is what you want to target blah blah blah.
i quit watching them.
Actually I know of no marketing group who advises what the outdoor industry uses in their shows. This music is likely the result of the editor/host and producer's taste.
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#2028792 - 08/13/10 08:53 AM
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I watch them but I'm with you and could do without the music in the background while waiting for the deer to come into range. Can't remember which new show it is but the hunt or talk for 30 seconds then they advertise some ranch in Texas and do several commercials then repeat the whole thing over. The guy is in some safari get up and they play a lot of differant music, this show I can't watch.
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#2028800 - 08/13/10 08:58 AM
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Ive about quit watching them all together. Is it just me or does anyone find the whispering before and after the shot annoying. LOL
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#2028808 - 08/13/10 09:03 AM
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Ok, just so I can understand this... your saying you want 30 minutes of straight footage with no sound?
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#2028816 - 08/13/10 09:12 AM
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Hunting shows aren't about hunting, they are about selling something. If they were about hunting, they would not be one big commercial. heck most of them are just a big commercial for whatever ranch or outiftter they are with anyway. Like any commercial they have a target audience, and some marketing group has said this type of music will appeal to this age group, and this age group is what you want to target blah blah blah.
i quit watching them. Actually I know of no marketing group who advises what the outdoor industry uses in their shows. This music is likely the result of the editor/host and producer's taste.
Maybe not in the entry level shows but I would bet that the main stream high dollar productions do just that...as far as the type of music anyways...I have noticed that some are going with thier own in house musicians/song writer, I am guessing it is easier and probably cheaper than paying royalties out the door....just guessin tho....
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#2028849 - 08/13/10 09:30 AM
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My wife hates the whispering so much she throws a fit everytime I try to watch a show while she is in the room. So of course I tell her she can leave the room.
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#2028852 - 08/13/10 09:34 AM
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Yep, just selling products to make a dollar, like many other shows out there these days! Take it in stride and you can watch them.
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#2028861 - 08/13/10 09:42 AM
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Ive about quit watching them all together. Is it just me or does anyone find the whispering before and after the shot annoying. LOL
I find the whole shows annoying!
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#2028863 - 08/13/10 09:45 AM
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Ive about quit watching them all together. Is it just me or does anyone find the whispering before and after the shot annoying. LOL I find the whole shows annoying!
 yeah me too.
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#2028892 - 08/13/10 10:11 AM
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I have found that many of the shows I get are very good. They seem more realistic in that they have some episodes where there are misses and not so perfect shots. That kind of hunting is more like what really happens. There are some that annoy me but most of the ones I watch are OK. It has actually got me into watching them more this year then in years past.
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#2028929 - 08/13/10 10:29 AM
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I watch very few myself, some are very phony and annoying. I don't like the music cause I can't hear very well anymore and the music drowns out everything else. I don't like the " I thank brand x bow and brand x sight and brand xbroadhead etc, ( I do like to see a Trophy Rock in the footage though , it helps put food on the table), If you don't like it hit the remote, I do.But remember these shows have to be financed via commercials just like every other tv show. I think now Every 55 min tv show has 18 mins of commercials. If you didn't have the commercials your dish network would cost you maybe 10 grand a year !
I do watch some because I want to learn all I can and you can gleam some good stuff out of them occasionally !
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#2029015 - 08/13/10 11:30 AM
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Most of the hosts come off looking like fools, whether it's their fault or not. With the music and trash talk, many are trying to appeal to younger people, but they end up creating a disrespectful tone. The viewer feels no authenticity, and can't identify with hosts who are basically advertising automatons with embellished personalities. They rely on the inclusion of exceptional specimens of game and cleverly edited scenarios to "entertain".
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#2029075 - 08/13/10 12:03 PM
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It is part of the new cool guy approach to hunting. You aren't a cool guy hunting show host unless there is speed metal in the background.
The best example is the tool who hosts by far the most horrendous show....Arrow Affliction. That guy, well....it would be fine if he just disappeared all together. Maybe aliens can take care of it.
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#2029144 - 08/13/10 12:52 PM
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Just went through checking the ones we have "On Demand" These are 30 minute shows at regular air time, and are listed as 22 minutes for on Demand. They run 15 minutes in total without the commercials, but that also counts the "product highlights" they have within the show. In all, a 30 minute show consists of about 12 minutes of hunting related footage, and this includes the background stuff like the ranch they are hunting on etc. many "hunting" shows have very little hunting in them. Others that don't have product spotlights run about 11 minutes without commercials. Like I said before, they are commercials with a little hunting in them. Not all of the hunting shows are this way, but it seems that all the mainstrean ones on the big channels are more about selling something than they are about hunting.
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#2029172 - 08/13/10 01:20 PM
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Im with you on that!
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#2029323 - 08/13/10 04:05 PM
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well in comparsion if I was doing a hunting show and showed all my kills the whole TV season might take 5 minutes. If they are hunting fair chase we do have to cut them a little slack. If not we can get what we ask for and get 2 hours of shooting deer in a cage / high fence.
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#2029326 - 08/13/10 04:07 PM
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All of the above is why I just watch growingdeertv online by Grant Woods lol
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#2029380 - 08/13/10 05:12 PM
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i watch 4 shows and with the dvr i never miss an episode. the rest of the shows are not worth watching to me. i just hit the fast forward button during commercials. the shows i watch are very realistic because they show the mishaps and misses and they will tell you it has been x number of days in the field without any luck.
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#2029385 - 08/13/10 05:19 PM
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I hate the shows now for all the reasons mentioned earlier. My wife also hates the whispering. And why do they whisper after the deer is obviously dead? Also have you notice how many of these guys shoot a deer (most of the time its a bow) and dont recover the deer until the next morning. This really chaps my hid. I know it can happen to anyone but it seems to be the norm on these shows now.
Two seasons ago, we filmed all kinds of stuff throughout the hunting season to spoof these shows. We made up our own sponsors, had guest hunters invited in to try and take the bullet proof "Zues" buck, over estimated the yardage which bucks were shot, over estimated the scores of the bucks and so on. It is hilarious. I would put it up on Utube but there are a few parts in it that are not fit for the general public. Besides it is probably 2 hrs long.
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#2029388 - 08/13/10 05:22 PM
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yeah hunting should be hunting tv shows are to much drama and fireworks hard to watch
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#2029403 - 08/13/10 05:41 PM
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I really think you all will be pleased with the format I am putting together, informative, and featuring the average joe and how they hunt 90% of the time. But be prepared, there is cutaways and b-roll, which is 100% neccessary to tell the full story.
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#2029414 - 08/13/10 06:07 PM
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I like it when you can hear the leaves in the background as the deer is walking up. That's what I like seeing out of the hunting shows
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#2029431 - 08/13/10 06:28 PM
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I agree that the whispering is annoying. I think that Tiffanys whisper voice from the crush is the most annoying. There is only a few huntin shows I like. I used to really like Team Fitzgerald. I wish they had a show that just showed Fred Bears hunts. Oh I also enjoy Buck Commander because Chipper and some other baseball players I like are on it. I also like Ted Nugent and the show with Craig Morgan.
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#2029484 - 08/13/10 07:37 PM
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The key word is SHOWS, and that's what they are. Remember you can always turn the channel or turn it off. I for one enjoy the shows and yes I know just because Uncle Ted kills a 150 in somewhere does not mean I have to hunt the same place or use the same equipment to kill a 150. Its all about the dollar and you spending yours on what ever they use. But I do love seeing those big bucks...
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#2029512 - 08/13/10 08:03 PM
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I like it when on the shows you hear the deer walking through the leaves. Just makes it seem more real to me.
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#2040914 - 08/22/10 06:10 PM
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thank god i thought it was just me.Im getting tired of the hard hitting rock music they are starting to play with some of thes hunts. I do like to watch the shows , but i dont like the direction they are heading with the shows these days. There are however still a few good ones left.
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#2040940 - 08/22/10 06:39 PM
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I just flat quit watching any of them. I prefer housewives of New Jersey. No whispering on there. And except for Dance, who is actually informative even if he is fishing behind a fence, fishing shows are just as bad.
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#2041003 - 08/22/10 07:36 PM
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If you see the hunter (or hear him), 99% of the time it is a cut-away. During the actual hunt, they hunt like the rest of us. The rest you see is for show
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#2041012 - 08/22/10 07:44 PM
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I don't watch any of them. I had a package that included the outdoor networks but I dropped it. So much ridiculous over the top stuff I just got mad watching so now I don't. The main thing is the general lack of respect. Heavy metal, fist pumping, trash talking to a deer you just shot....no thanks.
The original outdoor show is Ky Afield...been running over 50 years I think, and is a pleasure to watch. Unfortunatley I no longer live there so I can't get it.
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#2041195 - 08/22/10 09:09 PM
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To answer the questions about whispering. I will keep as quiet as I can until I am out the woods. Maybe I will be hunting in the same area later that day or maybe I am hunting public land so I don't want to disturb the area for someone else. When I have my own hunting show I will be sure to explain the reason behind my whispering after the shot. LOL
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#2041267 - 08/22/10 09:35 PM
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x-2....give me reality not rock shows. I ll take the crickets and the sound of the stillness of the morning over crap like that.
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#2041280 - 08/22/10 09:39 PM
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There must be a huge demand for the shows, because many sponsers
are shelling out alot of money to sponser them. It's business
folks and free enterprize. If you don't like them, don't watch
them or buy any of the products advertized.
I will watch some of the shows because I like to, but not
because I will learn something. Most of us know the deal.
If anyone is swayed by what they show as being normal, they
probably just need to hunt a few more years. If you really have
a desire to deer hunt, you will keep on hunting no matter what.
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#2044026 - 08/24/10 05:28 PM
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Someone hit it. I can put up with the whispering, the obviously fake "posing" shots, the unapologetic product placement, and the Jones' mentality toward equipment. But I cannot stand disrespect for the hunt and the animal. Case in point, did anyone ever get that free vhs that Tree Lounge had? I wanted to smack that woman around when she was screaming and hooting.
What I would like to see is a show with a "professional" hunter coming into an area to scout and hunt with a hobbyist on the public land. I think it would be neat to see them dissect the layout, maps, etc and put a regular "Joe" on a nice buck in "Joe's" own backyard.
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#2044160 - 08/24/10 07:43 PM
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Yea, Margret was a "hoot" wasn't she. On the other hand though,
she might have been genuienly excited about her kill. I don't
think she meant any disrespect toward the animal, but that is
just my opinion.
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#2044240 - 08/24/10 08:17 PM
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What I would like to see is a show with a "professional" hunter coming into an area to scout and hunt with a hobbyist on the public land. I think it would be neat to see them dissect the layout, maps, etc and put a regular "Joe" on a nice buck in "Joe's" own backyard.
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#2044258 - 08/24/10 08:27 PM
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What I would like to see is a show with a "professional" hunter coming into an area to scout and hunt with a hobbyist on the public land. I think it would be neat to see them dissect the layout, maps, etc and put a regular "Joe" on a nice buck in "Joe's" own backyard.
Many of the hunters on these shows would have a hard time killing a public land doe, much less be able to scout a unknown area (where they are not placed in a pre scouted tree stand by a outfitter) and come out successful.
Anyway, as for the whispering, it also a technical issue. They have to adjust the audio levels very high so that the cast can whisper -this is why the wind is so loud. The audio levels are so maxed out to pick up the whispering that any normal talking voice would redline and thus be distorted. There's really no way around it without some very high end audio technology that could be adjusted for presets in the field. From a production standpoint, I imagine these show are a nightmare to produce. I wouldn't want any part of it.
For that matter, I really don't understand the obsession with filming hunts. I've read hunting blogs where partners decide to start filming their hunts and complain about giving up half of their hunting time... ok, so don't film your hunts. I can understand if you have a TV show to produce, but to film on a casual level just to satisfy your own ego and put up YouTube videos seems silly and ridiculous. That's a lot of effort, trouble and difficulty to go to in order to produce a amateur product with few tangible benefits. Wouldn't you rather spend that time hunting?
I suppose you could equate this to other artistic pursuits such as playing in a local band or producing amateur movies, but in both of these examples, you are actually doing what you love. After all, the local band that may never go anywhere beyond playing the local bar and may not have aspirations to, is still doing what they love by playing music perhaps at the expense of their time, money and relationships. Producing amateur hunting videos removes someone from hunting since the cameraman, by the virtues of experience, must also be a hunter (and from what we see on TV, a poor cameraman...).
I have a difficult time buying the statements "I love hunting so much that I have to film it", "Filming hunts is my true passion", "I love filming hunts so much that I'm willing to forego everything to pursue it", "All I want to do it film hunts, it gets me off", "When I film hunts, I feel this special connection with audience"
Am I missing the philosophical boat on this one? I just don't see much in it beyond ego driven, narcissistical pursuit. Are you there to hunt or are you there to film your hunt? If your answer is the later, what are your motivations? Money? Fame? Notoriety? Profession?
Its cool and all that people can make a living hunting without being a guide and I recognize that the only way to do this these days is to film your hunts. Understandable. But, I simply do not understand the trend of filming hunts by the amateur.
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#2044291 - 08/24/10 08:40 PM
Re: Another hunting show topic
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I believe he said "professional" hunter Poser... I would say less than 2% of the hunters on the shows are professional hunters.  When you rely on guides and assistants to put you where the deer are... well thats just a "professional" host/killer/lucky S.O.B.
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Well duh.. Yea, and the talking/whispering with deer seemingly right on top of them...are those deer tame or something? I can have deer within 40-50 yds of me and twitch my little finger and they can see it! 
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