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#2011972 - 07/30/10 01:13 PM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: whistlinwingman]
wobblegobble
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When I hunt my in-laws place I'd see at least 20 does a hunt and most days there would be a 2.5 yr old buck cruising through also, and on my farm before the thumping of does I would see many 1.5 bucks and does but now The sightings of all deer is way way down! Last year it seemed like the place was dead and the habitat is wonderful.
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#2012147 - 07/30/10 04:47 PM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: wobblegobble]
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 Originally Posted By: wobblegobble
When I hunt my in-laws place I'd see at least 20 does a hunt and most days there would be a 2.5 yr old buck cruising through also, and on my farm before the thumping of does I would see many 1.5 bucks and does but now The sightings of all deer is way way down! Last year it seemed like the place was dead and the habitat is wonderful.


In some ares of Middle and westcentral TN, the deer density has been way down the last three years, due to the big die-off from EHD.
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#2012295 - 07/30/10 07:59 PM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: BSK]
MRUTVOL
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Changing the social dynamics of a local deer population is matter of what is being killed over a fairly wide area. What deer you see on your property are also travelling across many other properties, where they are subject to different harvest strategies.

Your father-in-law is probably pretty lucky that someone nearby is shooting does or that population would get too high, greatly reducing body and antler growth.



BSK.....we used to try and take several doe every year because of the idea it was good for the dynamics of the herd but we got away from it because we could not see much changing . We have maybe killed 3 doe in the last 10 years and the quality and numbers of the bucks has gotten better with each passing year. I am sure that bordering hunters are taking some but just not sure of how many but I do not hear many shots as I did years ago. I guess the selective nature of the surrounding hunters is one big factor in the quality of the bucks also.

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#2012299 - 07/30/10 08:14 PM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: MRUTVOL]
whistlinwingman
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 Originally Posted By: MRUTVOL
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Changing the social dynamics of a local deer population is matter of what is being killed over a fairly wide area. What deer you see on your property are also travelling across many other properties, where they are subject to different harvest strategies.

Your father-in-law is probably pretty lucky that someone nearby is shooting does or that population would get too high, greatly reducing body and antler growth.



BSK.....we used to try and take several doe every year because of the idea it was good for the dynamics of the herd but we got away from it because we could not see much changing . We have maybe killed 3 doe in the last 10 years and the quality and numbers of the bucks has gotten better with each passing year. I am sure that bordering hunters are taking some but just not sure of how many but I do not hear many shots as I did years ago. I guess the selective nature of the surrounding hunters is one big factor in the quality of the bucks also.


Hopefully this is a sign that hunters are killing a few more does for meat and being more selective in their buck harvesting.
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#2012325 - 07/30/10 08:33 PM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: whistlinwingman]
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I mostly kill does with a bow,seems less intrusive,but that may be just in my mind
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#2012391 - 07/30/10 09:12 PM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: Football Hunter]
mr.big
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the way we do it is,,get 3-4 people and kill 8-10 in a couple days around Christmas,,instead of killing one a weekend all year,,
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#2012607 - 07/31/10 06:00 AM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: Football Hunter]
muddyboots
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
I mostly kill does with a bow,seems less intrusive,but that may be just in my mind


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#2012645 - 07/31/10 07:41 AM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: muddyboots]
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Since bucks don't breed as many does as most hunters think, taking out more doe will likely have little affect on the rut. IMO. many bucks may only breed one doe per year and some will not breed at all. once a buck finds a hot doe and gets with her, he takes himself out of the race, so to speak. Sure, bucks run around crazy during most ruts, but they can also disappear with a doe and then it's game over....

IMO, a hunter has to put himself out there during this time of the season because the dynamics of the herd using his land can and will change quickyl and often. many bucks are taken every season on property where they were never seen before they were taken. This had nothing to do with the number of Doe on the property but more about being in the stand when this buck came through for the first and probably only time.....

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#2012667 - 07/31/10 08:32 AM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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that buck came through for his first and only time because of the number of does somewhere,
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#2012745 - 07/31/10 10:02 AM Re: shooting Doe?? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
tndrbstr
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Since bucks don't breed as many does as most hunters think, taking out more doe will likely have little affect on the rut. IMO. many bucks may only breed one doe per year and some will not breed at all. once a buck finds a hot doe and gets with her, he takes himself out of the race, so to speak. Sure, bucks run around crazy during most ruts, but they can also disappear with a doe and then it's game over....


JMO



Being in unit B, doe managment is kind of a mute point any way since we are not allowed to try to influance the doe numbers very much.

A buck doesn't know that he is just going to get lucky maybe one time a year...In its mind it is going to do its best to be out there in the game and competeing for a chance at every doe in the area...

lets say that before any does comes into estrus (pre breeding), all the bucks are out there competeing which each other looking to for that first doe, traveling more and keeping a check on things...say if four does come into estrus nearly the same time and take four bucks out of the running. That would temporarily lessen the total number of bucks traveling still in search of thier own doe to tend thus lessening the intensity of the pre breeding activity some what.

but If two of those hot does had been removed (killed) from the herd prior to entering thier estrus, then two (1/2) of those now occupied bucks would still be out there traveling and competeing with the rest of the bucks, increasing the competetion and intensity of the rut to some degree...

Add that to shortening the window it takes for most all the does to be bred( second or third estrus cycles), which would narrow the fawning window down the road, which in turn could bring more does (at least a higher% within the does herd) into thier initial estrus cycle closer to each other at the same time in following years. That in itself would most likely increase the intensity of the rut,or at least the flurry of activity just before the does are ready to stand for breeding...

but like was stated earlier, I am not sure what any obvious or definant results could be seen or known from the seat of a tree stand without some type of controll or data over a large area....

My doe stratigy (and deer in general) is pretty short term from year to year..If I am seening more does this season I will try to take more..if I'm not seein as many I will not try to hammer them just for any long term goals...but like I said, unit B is a little differant than the rest of the state..














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