#2011437 - 07/29/10 09:56 PM
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wobblegobble
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I know a lot of folks say shooting alot of doe will make the rut more intense. My question or statement is this: I've shot several doe on my land and I dont see any change in the rut or big buck sightings(plus the neighbors shoot EVERY doe they see),But my father-in-law and his neighbors ,which own together i think 1,200 acres, never shoot anything but deer with atleast 8pts and they have many many deer! They kill atleast 2 great bucks a piece each year and my son's 1st deer was a 9pt from there last year! Is this a better practice?
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#2011451 - 07/29/10 10:14 PM
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#2011604 - 07/30/10 08:10 AM
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Changing the social dynamics of a local deer population is matter of what is being killed over a fairly wide area. What deer you see on your property are also travelling across many other properties, where they are subject to different harvest strategies.
Your father-in-law is probably pretty lucky that someone nearby is shooting does or that population would get too high, greatly reducing body and antler growth.
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#2011624 - 07/30/10 08:32 AM
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muddyboots
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I know a lot of folks say shooting alot of doe will make the rut more intense. My question or statement is this: I've shot several doe on my land and I dont see any change in the rut or big buck sightings(plus the neighbors shoot EVERY doe they see),But my father-in-law and his neighbors ,which own together i think 1,200 acres, never shoot anything but deer with atleast 8pts and they have many many deer! They kill atleast 2 great bucks a piece each year and my son's 1st deer was a 9pt from there last year! Is this a better practice?
Proof is in the pudding. I have one lease where they hammer does. Hunting there is tough although many pics of big big bucks. My other lease we only shoot does woth a bow and hunting is great with several big bucks killed evry year. I see it all the time. IMO shooting does with firearms is a mistake.
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#2011648 - 07/30/10 08:50 AM
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WRbowhunter
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Certainly more qualified people on here than Me but I would think a more balanced Doe to Buck ratio makes a healthy deer population. Just shooting all your does leaving only a couple will not make a more intense rut. The bucks would just move on to the next property for the does. Shooting does is a good thing. They taste good but just don't go crazy.
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#2011682 - 07/30/10 09:26 AM
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My experience is the fewer does around, the more the bucks have to move to find them. My deer population suffered bad from the EHD outbreak a few years ago. To have such a small amount of deer, I saw lots of bucks on their feet. 8 or more were stranger bucks(no pics of all season). While I didn't kill a buck last year, It was the best year I have ever had for seeing bucks. And the worst year I had for seeing does. Maybe a coincidence?
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#2011734 - 07/30/10 09:59 AM
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Just shooting all your does leaving only a couple will not make a more intense rut. The bucks would just move on to the next property for the does.
Surprisingly, that's often not the case.
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#2011786 - 07/30/10 10:32 AM
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Certainly more qualified people on here than Me but I would think a more balanced Doe to Buck ratio makes a healthy deer population.
I am not more qualified, but a healthier deer population isn't necessarily healthier deer population to hunt. As already stated deer sightings may go down and it may be significant.
Another important thing to note: (BSK pretty much said this already)..is that surrounding properties affect deer populations, patterns, reactions..etc. just as much, if not more than what we do on our own properties. 1200 acres could have several buck ranges that are on the property. It may just be 100 feet or 35 acres worth. You may be lucky and a buck set his core range on the majority of the property, but this would be rare in Tennessee. We just don't have large enough acerage per property.
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#2011809 - 07/30/10 10:55 AM
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Certainly more qualified people on here than Me but I would think a more balanced Doe to Buck ratio makes a healthy deer population. I am not more qualified, but a healthier deer population isn't necessarily healthier deer population to hunt. As already stated deer sightings may go down and it may be significant.
Absolutely. Not only may the deer density be lower, but by placing intense harvest pressure on the does, you can drive them far more nocturnal than they were before you applied the pressure. But some hunters are willing to give up high doe sightings to obtain more buck sightings which the lower doe density produced through increased competition between bucks.
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#2011829 - 07/30/10 11:37 AM
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whistlinwingman
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Certainly more qualified people on here than Me but I would think a more balanced Doe to Buck ratio makes a healthy deer population. I am not more qualified, but a healthier deer population isn't necessarily healthier deer population to hunt. As already stated deer sightings may go down and it may be significant. Absolutely. Not only may the deer density be lower, but by placing intense harvest pressure on the does, you can drive them far more nocturnal than they were before you applied the pressure.
Very good point. It took me several years to realize that hunting pressure affects does a whole lot more than I give them credit for. Once you shoot into a family group, or a group of does in general, they become very educated.
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