#2009333 - 07/28/10 06:06 AM
Comfort vs Success........??
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Bottom Hunter
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I see posts on here that include pics of great looking tower/box blinds. Something that, in most cases, is unmoveable. I'm sure that most of these blinds are built on family farms or leased ground , right? I'd also venture to guess that these are not big farms with alot of areas to hunt...right? Your options on stand sites are limited...am I right again?
I'm wondering if anyone has ever built one of these blinds and later wished they had put it somewhere else....lol?
Success from one of those type setups is determined by deer coming to your location. In no way can you go to the deer.
I hunt (normally) from hang-on stands with climbing sticks. I can take one down in about five-ten minutes. moving locations is pretty easy for me.
Granted these are not the most comfortable stands on the market, especially when the weather turns bad and that North wind begins to howl......but, I have always leaned more to what works for me and less about the comforts of home.
I guess my question is this.......do you or will you sacrifice comfort for success....or.....do you most always take the road of greater comfort. I realize that many people have success hunting from heated box blinds, out of the weather. But, if you knew that you might have MORE success if you abandoned the box blind....would you? Will you stay in the box blind where the hunt is more ENJOYABLE and hope for the best or will you abandon those comforts and "get after" the deer...no matter what the conditions?
I guess that I'm just curious about who on here is as crazy as I am....??
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#2009402 - 07/28/10 07:58 AM
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If you like them its ok.Personally i enjoy the outdoors.Dont want to go hunting and climb back in a house or tent.Wouldn't mind having a few houses just to mark my "territory",put them on the fence rows before my neighbors do.
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#2009405 - 07/28/10 08:01 AM
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What I commonly see is tower stands in areas that will always experience some hunting presure, such as overlooking food plots or ag fields, while portable stands are used in other areas.
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#2009422 - 07/28/10 08:10 AM
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I know exactly what you're saying BH. I never hunt out of shooting houses. Like you, I like to go to the deer. Isn't that the hunting part?
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#2009477 - 07/28/10 08:50 AM
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I do both. Our land is roughly 450 acres; two years ago we built a huge 12 foot box blind over looking one of the fields where we consistently have deer feed throughout the day. Our main purpose for this stand was for all day hunts and where we could take juveniles. I for one love hunting deep in the woods in as many locations as I can.
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#2009617 - 07/28/10 10:04 AM
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Depends on the lay of the land and the conditions. I have a box blind I made that can be moved by tipping it into the back of my truck. The area I hunt is crop land with stretches of timber, draws, and fence rows. If I'm out all day I like my box blind. We have days when the high is 5 degrees with a good north wind and windchill is well below zero. Being out all day in those conditions is hard to do, so being in my one man box blind with heater, food, and water feels pretty good. I usually leave it at the farm I hunt most, but not every day, then do morning and afternoon hunts at the other places.
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#2009680 - 07/28/10 10:32 AM
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If I wanted to be comfortable, I'd stay in bed. I've been in a box blind once and hated it - couldn't see, couldn't hear, was depending on luck for a deer to show up. Felt like I was just wasting time. I have to be mobile and don't like hunting fields anyway.
That said, I want to be as comfortable as possible. A good quality climbing stand (Summit Viper for me) gives me comfort, mobility, and unrestricted vision and hearing.
Just my opinion - of course.
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#2009690 - 07/28/10 10:36 AM
Re: Comfort vs Success........??
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When hunting with my son, he prefers the box stand. I however hunt where the deer are, rain, snow, sleet of shine.
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#2009716 - 07/28/10 10:52 AM
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If I wanted to be comfortable, I'd stay in bed. I've been in a box blind once and hated it - couldn't see, couldn't hear, was depending on luck for a deer to show up. Felt like I was just wasting time. I have to be mobile and don't like hunting fields anyway.
That said, I want to be as comfortable as possible. A good quality climbing stand (Summit Viper for me) gives me comfort, mobility, and unrestricted vision and hearing.
Just my opinion - of course.
I'm of a similar opinion. I hunt up a tree or on the ground, and all my hunting places are in the woods, not that I wouldn't hunt over a field, just don't have that opportunity where I'm at.
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#2009732 - 07/28/10 11:08 AM
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I prefer my summit viper. it's comfy and I can choose my location and if the wind/weather change during the hunt, I change accordingly.
We have several ladder stands on our lease and a few times thinking deer may have adjusted to them from pressure/scent, etc.. I locate my climber accordingly.
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#2009752 - 07/28/10 11:33 AM
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Ive seen plenty of mornings I wish I were in a box blind. Even if i had a large farm which I dont I cant see myself putting one up to hunt out of, just not my style. I really like being flexable and moving at the drop of a hat.
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#2009759 - 07/28/10 11:39 AM
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If you have more than one, it gives you more locations. It's nice to mix it up from time to time. One hunt I'll hunt the box stand. On another hunt, I might hunt a ladder stand.
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#2009761 - 07/28/10 11:42 AM
Re: Comfort vs Success........??
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I would rather give up comfort and hang off the side of a tree at 25 feet. I have hunted out of blinds before and I hate it. Being in a blind seems to reduce my senses.
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#2009832 - 07/28/10 12:39 PM
Re: Comfort vs Success........??
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If I wanted to be comfortable, I'd stay in bed. I've been in a box blind once and hated it - couldn't see, couldn't hear, was depending on luck for a deer to show up. Felt like I was just wasting time. I have to be mobile and don't like hunting fields anyway.
That said, I want to be as comfortable as possible. A good quality climbing stand (Summit Viper for me) gives me comfort, mobility, and unrestricted vision and hearing.
Just my opinion - of course.
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#2009860 - 07/28/10 12:52 PM
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my box blind doesn't have enclosed walls and windows. It is really to give me an option to hunt when it's raining. I have not much more than a shooting rail, roof and a chair.
I'm positioned in the middle of a 45 acre thicket, so the deer are there always anyway. I control the pressure-so it doesn't get wore out. I don't have four wheeler brats, joe-blow's logging service or 20 other hunt club members stomping the woods flat. So I don't have to move stands.
If I'm not comfortable, I can't concentrate on hunting.
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#2009866 - 07/28/10 12:56 PM
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Comfort VS success?...
Sorry I just don't relate the "EITHER...OR.." of the way the topic is presented BH....why does one have to negate the other?.... 
permanent stands (towers, shooting houses...what ever) are generally placed in areas of consistant deer sightings and movement...regardless of any specific animals in mind, seasonal or environmental influances...they are generally high %, convieniance stands for the most part...and while I could certainly take the opportunity of that, it is not my #1 preferred way to hunt...
I agree with you that they do generally involve tracs of controlled land that are secured for extended lenghts of time....
I have seen many many permanent 2x4s nailed to trees in gaps and funnels too..which is about the same thing without the ammenities I reckon....these also are long term, high %, convieniance set ups...
would I move one to another place??...maybe, but I would probably just build another one in a differant place if thats what I wanted....
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#2009940 - 07/28/10 01:51 PM
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permanent stands (towers, shooting houses...what ever) are generally placed in areas of consistant deer sightings and movement...regardless of any specific animals in mind, seasonal or environmental influances...they are generally high %, convieniance stands for the most part...
Exactly. Certainly not my preferred method of hunting (unless I want to shoot a doe), but can be nice on terrible-weather days or for taking youth that want to be comfortable but see deer too.
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#2009969 - 07/28/10 02:19 PM
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I have one that I kind of use as a home base. It is good for observation when the wind isn't good for some of my other spots. I also have been taking my boys there until they get a little older, although I don't want them to become too accustomed to the hunting blind. I want them to learn woodsmanship and hunting skills.
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#2009983 - 07/28/10 02:34 PM
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I have a 16 ftr in place that is an awesome spot. No trees on this point big enough to hang a real stand on. Works great for kids, myself, guests and anyone that wants to see wildlife. If you dont see horns from this spot you aint looking. The roof, room, and seating for two is just a bonus. Its the best spot on the place by far, but i spend my time in the climber.
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#2010047 - 07/28/10 03:57 PM
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Comfort VS success?... Sorry I just don't relate the "EITHER...OR.." of the way the topic is presented BH....why does one have to negate the other?.... permanent stands (towers, shooting houses...what ever) are generally placed in areas of consistant deer sightings and movement...regardless of any specific animals in mind, seasonal or environmental influances...they are generally high %, convieniance stands for the most part...and while I could certainly take the opportunity of that, it is not my #1 preferred way to hunt... I agree with you that they do generally involve tracs of controlled land that are secured for extended lenghts of time.... I have seen many many permanent 2x4s nailed to trees in gaps and funnels too..which is about the same thing without the ammenities I reckon....these also are long term, high %, convieniance set ups... would I move one to another place??...maybe, but I would probably just build another one in a differant place if thats what I wanted....
Maybe it's me, but sometimes I think that some don't read or understand the questions before answering...lol.
as i said, success CAN come from box or permanent blinds. My question was ....if you knew or at least thought that you could have MORE SUCCESS hunting from another type of stand out in the weather, would you do that or simply stay put in your protected blind.....
would you rather be comfortable, enjoy the hunt and go home empty handed OR would you take the risk of being out in the elements and increase your odds of success...?
understand?
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#2010106 - 07/28/10 05:19 PM
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I guess my question is this.......do you or will you sacrifice comfort for success....or.....do you most always take the road of greater comfort. I realize that many people have success hunting from heated box blinds, out of the weather. But, if you knew that you might have MORE success if you abandoned the box blind....would you? Will you stay in the box blind where the hunt is more ENJOYABLE and hope for the best or will you abandon those comforts and "get after" the deer...no matter what the conditions?
Believe me BH, when you've been around as long as I have, and spent as much time as I have chase'n deer, there will come a time when a warm, comfortable, enclosed blind is gonna feel mighty good on some of them "nasty" days....besides, who's to say I would go home empty handed?....and, what is "success" to the individual?....you're not alone here ya know!!!
Yeah...there was a time that I kinda felt like you do, but times change, as do our motives for going....hunting is for the "young" and "old" as well, not just the crazy..(you said it, not me)...lol
If I didn't think my chances were at least "fair",...I'd just stay in bed to begin with.
Good luck to ya!
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#2010110 - 07/28/10 05:22 PM
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I built one,no,its not moveable,but my 3 climbers and 12 to 15 ladders/loc ons are.I built it for a late season,bad weather,"Hey,Im here,its bad,but I can get in my shooting house",type of deal.Hunted in it once last year during juvy with my son when the wind kept shifting on us.
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#2010237 - 07/28/10 07:39 PM
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I choose hunting for getting the kind of buck i want to kill which means mostly going to areas undisturbed by human regularity.....but then you read about some guy somewhere who killed a giant buck in a shooting house and wonder who is really fooling who......lmbo!
I like them for impossible weather only.........
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#2010259 - 07/28/10 08:01 PM
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Simple question define "Success"
I consider it a successful hunt if I see a deer. I don't have to bring one home to enjoy it myself.
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#2010260 - 07/28/10 08:02 PM
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I've hunted in some pretty uncomfortable setups and it pay off. I do what i have to hang in what i think is the best spot but 90% i can find a good spot i can be comfortable in my summit.
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#2010437 - 07/28/10 10:10 PM
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Maybe it's me, but sometimes I think that some don't read or understand the questions before answering...lol.
would you rather be comfortable, enjoy the hunt and go home empty handed OR would you take the risk of being out in the elements and increase your odds of success...?
understand?
 Did you ever seriously think that maybe it IS just you with some of these pre conceived scenarios  ....Whats not to understand about your question??....sure I understand ( lol ) .... ....WHY does being comfortable have any thing to do with going home empty handed?.. ...and why does being in the elements neccesarily increase your odds of success... maybe I just need to buy your book!... or not..........
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#2010449 - 07/28/10 10:20 PM
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Howdy. Personally, I can't stand to sit in ground blinds much less the thought of sitting in a shooting house. It just doesn't feel like I'm outside. I'm much more comfortable facing the elements (enjoyable and adverse), hanging in my Tree Saddle.
It seems that the cost and burden of erecting shooting houses limits them to food plots and wide open spaces. If you are going to go to the expense and semi permanence of a shooting house, then it would follow that one would set it up where you could maximize its potential for range. Sitting over food plots and fields edges (though tiresomely popular on TV) in the Southeast just doesn't suit my hunting philosophy in any way since, for pressured deer, the best action is back in the thickness.
Additionally, for the costs of a manufactured shooting house ($300-$1500), one could purchase at least a climber with infinite setup possibilities or numerous other portable set ups. I prefer screw in steps and can buy many of them for the cost of one shooting house. Of course, if you are purchasing a shooting house, economics may not be your primary concern.
As for facing the elements, I prefer it that way. Mather Nature can dish out her nastiest and I will prevail, though sometimes only after great suffering. Remember, it doesn't have to be fun in order to be fun.
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#2010470 - 07/28/10 10:46 PM
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I don't have kids, but if I did, and they were interested in deer
hunting, they would be "in the woods". Not in a "shooting house".
I know kids and things have changed now days, but my Daddy took
me into the woods and showed me things about deer. I never
complained, because I was fascinated with deer and the world
they lived in.
I can remember freaking out over seeing a rub or a scrape, after
my Dad told me what made them....and why.
Thinking back, I don't think would be doodeling and texting on
a cell phone............even if they existed back then...while
there was a chance I might even see a deer.
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#2010555 - 07/29/10 06:09 AM
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Bottom Hunter
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Box blind has produced no kills in two years. Do you continue to hunt out of it regardless of the lack of success (making a kill) OR do you brave the elements and hunt somewhere else....? pretty simple question......lol.
Let's say that trail cams show a nice buck working an area that you can not see from your box blind. Do you go to the buck or sit in the box blind and hope that he comes to you....?
Rowdy...I am going in to my 36th year deer hunting. I have hunted from box blinds on occasion, but never simply for the comfort of it. To this day, I still hunt from hang-on stands and at 53 years of age, I find it simply a part of the experience.....Just me here, but I would rather sit for days on end on the side of a tree with confidence than sit for an hour in a box blind that I have no confidence in....
fourwheeler431......for this question, SUCCESS is killing a deer.
tndrbstr.... I'll just say that all I have ever done on here is try to spark conversation and get people posting.....if there is a crime or you and others think that I consider myself a "know it all" then so be it.....
done.....
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#2010615 - 07/29/10 07:18 AM
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We have 7 shooting houses, 5 ladder stands, 2 ground blinds, plus several hang on and climbing stands, sometimes I just sit on a folding dove stool, it depends on hunting pressure, deer sighting or fresh sign as to how and where I hunt.
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#2010617 - 07/29/10 07:20 AM
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Sparking a conversation is what this forum is all about. IT'S A FORUM!
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#2010628 - 07/29/10 07:28 AM
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Box blind has produced no kills in two years. Do you continue to hunt out of it regardless of the lack of success (making a kill) OR do you brave the elements and hunt somewhere else....? pretty simple question......lol.
Let's say that trail cams show a nice buck working an area that you can not see from your box blind. Do you go to the buck or sit in the box blind and hope that he comes to you....?
Rowdy...I am going in to my 36th year deer hunting. I have hunted from box blinds on occasion, but never simply for the comfort of it. To this day, I still hunt from hang-on stands and at 53 years of age, I find it simply a part of the experience.....Just me here, but I would rather sit for days on end on the side of a tree with confidence than sit for an hour in a box blind that I have no confidence in....
fourwheeler431......for this question, SUCCESS is killing a deer.
tndrbstr.... I'll just say that all I have ever done on here is try to spark conversation and get people posting.....if there is a crime or you and others think that I consider myself a "know it all" then so be it.....
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If someone puts up a box blind,and it produces no kills in 2 years,either the hunter is very choosy,or the blind was put up in a bad place.Deer will get use to the blind ,if its in a good spot,you'll kill some.But like I said,mine is for a very rainy/windy/whatever late season hunt.
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#2010685 - 07/29/10 07:58 AM
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I was sitting in my box blind when I saw the biggest buck I've ever seen while hunting. He was in a field we don't have permission to hunt and with no pressure he wouldn't cross over. For the 2 days of shotgun season I usually set in the blind, last year I couldn't tell you how many doe and bucks I saw. I don't think it would've been any differant if I was hanging out in the top of a tree. I had both, comfort and success in my blind. Come on up and hunt with me, we'll head out around 5:00 AM and stay until 6:00 that night. It will probably be around -2 or -5 degrees not counting the wind chill, you set in your tree and I'll sit in my blind. If you aren't seeing deer where you put your blind up, then you didn't do your homework before setting it up. I don't live in the blind during hunting season, I'm also on the move, but there's times when it allows me to stay in the field longer.
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#2010703 - 07/29/10 08:16 AM
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I don't have kids, but if I did, and they were interested in deer
hunting, they would be "in the woods". Not in a "shooting house".
I know kids and things have changed now days, but my Daddy took
me into the woods and showed me things about deer. I never
complained, because I was fascinated with deer and the world
they lived in.
It all depends on the child's age and personality RKenney. When my daughter was 4 or 5, she had to have coloring books or something else to entertain herself while hunting, and a shooting house was best so she could move around while we hunted. Once she got to 7 or 8, she could sit still long enough to hunt from an open stand.
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#2010768 - 07/29/10 09:13 AM
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Original question at start of thread...
I guess my question is this.......do you or will you sacrifice comfort for success....or.....do you most always take the road of greater comfort. I realize that many people have success hunting from heated box blinds, out of the weather. But, if you knew that you might have MORE success if you abandoned the box blind....would you? Will you stay in the box blind where the hunt is more ENJOYABLE and hope for the best or will you abandon those comforts and "get after" the deer...no matter what the conditions?
Box blind has produced no kills in two years. Do you continue to hunt out of it regardless of the lack of success (making a kill) OR do you brave the elements and hunt somewhere else....? pretty simple question......lol.
Let's say that trail cams show a nice buck working an area that you can not see from your box blind. Do you go to the buck or sit in the box blind and hope that he comes to you....?
C'mon BH....LOL
Not fair to change the question after someone reply's to the original.....
As you can see...these are 2 somewhat different scenarios.....
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#2010829 - 07/29/10 10:22 AM
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Original question at start of thread...
I guess my question is this.......do you or will you sacrifice comfort for success....or.....do you most always take the road of greater comfort. I realize that many people have success hunting from heated box blinds, out of the weather. But, if you knew that you might have MORE success if you abandoned the box blind....would you? Will you stay in the box blind where the hunt is more ENJOYABLE and hope for the best or will you abandon those comforts and "get after" the deer...no matter what the conditions?
Box blind has produced no kills in two years. Do you continue to hunt out of it regardless of the lack of success (making a kill) OR do you brave the elements and hunt somewhere else....? pretty simple question......lol.
Let's say that trail cams show a nice buck working an area that you can not see from your box blind. Do you go to the buck or sit in the box blind and hope that he comes to you....?
C'mon BH....LOL Not fair to change the question after someone reply's to the original..... As you can see...these are 2 somewhat different scenarios.....
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#2010832 - 07/29/10 10:24 AM
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Box blind has produced no kills in two years. Do you continue to hunt out of it regardless of the lack of success (making a kill) OR do you brave the elements and hunt somewhere else....? pretty simple question......lol.
Yes, that is a very simple question BH...and it paints a little differant picture (conversational guide lines of the hypothethetical box blind senario I reckon...) than the one you presented the FIRST time...
You said produced no kills in two years,..ok...was that meant to be taken as not seeing any deer what so ever or does "lack of success" (making a kill) mean blowing every opportunity for numerous chances at a deer over a two period?...cause if it does that blind is not the problem.....define the conditions in the lack of success...
Honestly, if it means not seeing a single deer in two years than I could not imagine anyone not mixing up thier game plan in some way...in ANY way...
Let's say that trail cams show a nice buck working an area that you can not see from your box blind. Do you go to the buck or sit in the box blind and hope that he comes to you....?
Thats seems pretty simple too....
there are just a couple of small details that I would want to know before I could really make that decision...like...are there does activley using the area that the box is over looking?....what time of the year is it? Could that buck or any others be activley checking or chasing any does that may be frequenting the area around the box blind?...is there any kind of seasonal food source at the blind and is it in season? I probably would not want to be sitting over a bean field in the second week of jaunuary...
What are the other avilable food sources in proximity of not only the box blind but the the buck on the trail cam?
tndrbstr.... ....if there is a crime or you and others think that I consider myself a "know it all" then so be it.....
done.....
I think you misunderstand me sometimes BH... 
...I can honestly say that I never thought of you as trying to come off as "know it all",...and one of the very few things that I am sure of is that no one on this forum, or else where, knows it all. I think there is plenty for all of us thats left to learn...
I have gotten some very good tips and insights from many MANY folks on this site, you included...
I'll just say that all I have ever done on here is try to spark conversation and get people posting.....
And I reckon you probably do that pretty well too BH, and I guess I just need to learn to take that for what it is...
I need to learn to differentiate between the threads that are a serious attempt of trying to put more meat on the ground (the main reason I come into the serious forum)... and those that are more just for social involvement and general chit chat...when I reach the center of an apple I don't need to keep chewin on it just to have some thing to...thats just the way I am...
I really don't have anything against pretty table cloths and napkin rings, but the meats what I,m here for...like I said, I just need to recognise the differance... 
Please don't let my short comings deter yours or anyone elses entertainment... 
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#2010835 - 07/29/10 10:26 AM
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I'm not sure what the point is other than you like to hunt on the move rather than use a blind, both can be very successful if done right and both can be very unsuccessful if done wrong.
thats to simple....
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#2010855 - 07/29/10 10:39 AM
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I don't have kids, but if I did, and they were interested in deer
hunting, they would be "in the woods". Not in a "shooting house".
I know kids and things have changed now days, but my Daddy took
me into the woods and showed me things about deer. I never
complained, because I was fascinated with deer and the world
they lived in.
It all depends on the child's age and personality RKenney. When my daughter was 4 or 5, she had to have coloring books or something else to entertain herself while hunting, and a shooting house was best so she could move around while we hunted. Once she got to 7 or 8, she could sit still long enough to hunt from an open stand.
I have never used any type of shooing house or permanent blind, never had the chance to really, so I guess I'm with Rkenny on this one....If my son needed entertaing while we were trying to hunt than we just quit hunting for a little bit and done some thing outdoors that he though was entertaining.
I will say that just about as soon as he could walk pretty good that I started him out on grouse and gray squirrels which was a BIG energy zapper!!..but I had him the woods at six weeks old too...
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#2010954 - 07/29/10 11:48 AM
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I don't have kids, but if I did, and they were interested in deer
hunting, they would be "in the woods". Not in a "shooting house".
I know kids and things have changed now days, but my Daddy took
me into the woods and showed me things about deer. I never
complained, because I was fascinated with deer and the world
they lived in.
It all depends on the child's age and personality RKenney. When my daughter was 4 or 5, she had to have coloring books or something else to entertain herself while hunting, and a shooting house was best so she could move around while we hunted. Once she got to 7 or 8, she could sit still long enough to hunt from an open stand. I have never used any type of shooing house or permanent blind, never had the chance to really, so I guess I'm with Rkenny on this one....If my son needed entertaing while we were trying to hunt than we just quit hunting for a little bit and done some thing outdoors that he though was entertaining.
What my daughter wanted to do was "go hunting with daddy." Childhood is too short to miss an opportunity like that. So we did go hunting, and enjoyed ourselves thoroughly. We would talk quitely in the shooting house and create special times she still remembers and talks about to this day. I would never have wanted to miss the moment she was sitting on my lap while I shot a doe with my MZ out of the shooting house. It's one of her favorite stories to tell to friends and family.
As she's grown older, and still wants to go hunting with daddy, I've been introducing her to the more successful--but also more difficult--aspects of deer hunting, including being exposed to the deer and the elements in an open ladder stand. So far, she's still enjoying every minute of it and begs to go. Someday I hope to introduce her to the most difficult deer hunting of all--stalk hunting.
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#2011039 - 07/29/10 01:21 PM
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our shooting houses are in "prime" mature buck areas, and that is nice because during the rut, I can sit all day long without my scent going everywhere.The more comfortable i am, the longer I can sit, and the longer i can sit, the better my chances are of killing a mature buck!
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#2011252 - 07/29/10 06:40 PM
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I ALWAYS go to the deer, nothing will make me hunt where I dont have confidence, regardless of comfort or lack of, never even consider it when choosing a stand site, ts always based on RESULTS!
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#2011386 - 07/29/10 09:02 PM
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I will have to side with BSK on this one.
Back when my son hunted you had to be 10 before they could go deer hunting and shoot one so he was closer to being ready for it than he would have been at 6 or 7 but even then he had moments he did not cherish being out hunting, such as the morning it was a big fat ZERO on the themometer!  With some young kids you have to be careful and not turn them off to the sport or they will lose interest real fast. I sometimes think we as parents push our kids to early to enjoy the things we enjoy, just assuming because I like it they will too. A 6 or 7 year old kid can be very fragile to the elements and shocks of hunting. By shocks I mean the blood and sometimes less than quick kills. JMO
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#2011460 - 07/29/10 10:24 PM
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MRUTVOL,
When deer season gets here, there will probably be even more
"just talking about it". (ha)!
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#2011554 - 07/30/10 06:21 AM
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Rowdy.......my original question INCLUDED a general statement about how some people do have success from a box blind.
The last post was a scenario that INCLUDED the fact that you or another hunter had actually hunted a box blind for two seasons and had no success and asked if you would leave the comfort of the box blind to gain success.....
two different things.
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#2011564 - 07/30/10 06:33 AM
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[quote=Bottom Hunter]I'll just say that all I have ever done on here is try to spark conversation and get people posting.....
please feel free to not comment on any threads that I start.....
there is a simple thing that every poster can do to make this forum much better. That simple thing is to comment if you have something to add and do not comment if all you have to add is ridicule. To disagree with a thread is fine, but to simply ridicule the poster because you don't like him or her or simply to try to anger someone or be funny is simply childish and wrong, IMO.
My intent is to put things on here that I believe people will discuss. I thought that was what we are all doing here?
sorry if I was wrong.....I'll leave the thread starting to BSK and others that seem to only be the ones that start GOOD or IMPORTANT threads.....
thanks for explaining it to me so I can understand it.
Sorry for rambling on and annoying everyone....lol......
again...thanks
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#2011607 - 07/30/10 08:15 AM
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It all depends on the child's age and personality RKenney. When my daughter was 4 or 5, she had to have coloring books or something else to entertain herself while hunting, and a shooting house was best so she could move around while we hunted. Once she got to 7 or 8, she could sit still long enough to hunt from an open stand.
With some young kids you have to be careful and not turn them off to the sport or they will lose interest real fast. I sometimes think we as parents push our kids to early to enjoy the things we enjoy, just assuming because I like it they will too. A 6 or 7 year old kid can be very fragile to the elements and shocks of hunting. By shocks I mean the blood and sometimes less than quick kills. JMO
And that's why I didn't push my daughter to hunt. If she wants to go, I'll take her. If she doesn't I won't push. But she certainly BEGS to go.
I was also concerned about exposing her to killing/death/blood too early. Yet it didn't seem to bother her in the least. She watched me shoot a doe when she was 5 or 6, and then I taught her how to blood-trail that deer. She loved it and was amazingly quick to pick it up. In fact, she found that doe faster than I did! She even loves watching the gutting process. I turn it into a biology lesson. She wants to handle all the internal organs and ask questions about what each one does.
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#2011668 - 07/30/10 09:08 AM
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. paragraph #1. . . .#2 . . .#3 . . . .#4 . . .#5 . . . . and finally in paragrah 6!,...  ( please notice blatant effort to insert good natured humor here BH) I guess my question is this....... do you or will you sacrifice comfort for success....or.....
...(actual pasted topic...Re: Comfort vs Success........??)
Comfort VS success?... Sorry I just don't relate the "EITHER...OR.." of the way the topic is presented BH....why does one have to negate the other?.... permanent stands (towers, shooting houses...what ever) are generally placed in areas of consistant deer sightings and movement...regardless of any specific animals in mind, seasonal or environmental influances...they are generally high %, convieniance stands for the most part...and while I could certainly take the opportunity of that, it is not my #1 preferred way to hunt... I agree with you that they do generally involve tracs of controlled land that are secured for extended lenghts of time.... I have seen many many permanent 2x4s nailed to trees in gaps and funnels too..which is about the same thing without the ammenities I reckon....these also are long term, high %, convieniance set ups... would I move one to another place??...maybe, but I would probably just build another one in a differant place if thats what I wanted.... Maybe it's me, but sometimes I think that some don't read or understand the questions before answering...lol. understand?
No BH, apparently I don't.....
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#2012284 - 07/30/10 07:39 PM
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[quote=Bottom Hunter
please feel free to not comment on any threads that I start.....
there is a simple thing that every poster can do to make this forum much better. That simple thing is to comment if you have something to add and do not comment if all you have to add is ridicule. To disagree with a thread is fine, but to simply ridicule the poster because you don't like him or her or simply to try to anger someone or be funny is simply childish and wrong, IMO.
My intent is to put things on here that I believe people will discuss. I thought that was what we are all doing here?
sorry if I was wrong.....I'll leave the thread starting to BSK and others that seem to only be the ones that start GOOD or IMPORTANT threads.....
thanks for explaining it to me so I can understand it.
Sorry for rambling on and annoying everyone....lol......
again...thanks [/quote]
Ah shucks BH no need to run off and sulk! Heck you have some very good threads to discuss from time to time . I read most all them,I do not respond to many but then as you can see by my number of post I just am not a big talker so to speak. Sometimes I just think that you kind of get a little to opinonated about the way or methods some people do things and in a sutle way put it down simply because it is not how you would do it and it can rub people wrong sometimes. I am sure it is inocent on your part, just how some people can read things into words that are not actually meant the way they think. Heck it is not about dislike or like you...I am sure you are a fine fellow. You and I probably could sit down and talk all week about our ideas and experinces and enjoy every minute of it. So keep those threads coming....no way I could respond to them all without getting cramps in my fingers! 
I do not post much about giving advice on how to hunt simply because the method I use might not work on another property. The one thing I have found is styles can change from property to property. It is more up to the hunter to come up with a style that works for him or her. Heck when I first started deer hunting I read every magazine article I could about it and there was a lot I learned that was productive but just about as much that was a waste of energy and time for the area I was hunting in. All I was doing was educating the deer about me. I have hunted the same farms for almost 40 years so I can just about hunt them in my sleep so I sort of developed my style as time went by, by knowing the habits of the deer on the particular places I hunt. I could try your style and completely strike out . It works for you and that is great. Locations can sometimes play a big part in the style used and I am a big proponet of the Lady Luck factor also but that is for another thread  .
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#2012298 - 07/30/10 08:14 PM
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I'll sacrifice comfort for success any day. I've hunted in blinds and shooting condos but it's not for me. I like to enjoy the woods and I cannot being surrounded. I feel like I relax to the point of letting my guard down while in a box stand. In some crappy weather I wish I was protected though,lol! Good post BH!
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#2012409 - 07/30/10 09:23 PM
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I do a lot of sitting on the ground and still hunting,,but we do have a couple box blinds built in spots that you do not have to compromise anything in the deer sittings department,,it is nice when it is just plain to bad to be out,,or when you are starting new kids into hunting,,nice spot to take the wife also,,
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#2012556 - 07/31/10 12:24 AM
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One thing that occurs to me often as primarily a public land hunter is that you can have almost any kind of experience you want to have with hunting. By nature, I like the hardcore, face the wind, high in the tree, long approach, early arrival, stay late, dish- it-out style of hunting. I can do this on the same property that some bumbling, smoking-a-cigarette-in-the-field, rides-his-4 wheeler-up-to-his-stand right about 1st light, ruin-your-day style of hunter can hunt. AND, he has just as much right to do so as I do to be stealthy, disciplined and studious. While he sometimes pisses me off to no end, more often times than not sends more deer my way and, occasionally, ruins my day... he has chosen his path and I have chosen mine. He learned to hunt one way and I learned to hunt another. He may be ultimately looking to fill the freezer and I ultimately looking to push myself beyond normal parameters of the modern condition, we both have the same right to be there and choose our own paths. Ultimately, we could probably learn from one another.
All this hippie crap aside, I shall prevail and he will get fatter and push deer in my direction, but still, you get my point: you will get from hunting what you desire.
You want to hire an outfitter to set you up with a 6.5 year old buck that's never encountered a negative experience with a human, shell out your $3,500 and it shall be so. You want to kill a 1.5 year old spike that's more wise than a AK-47 yielding youth reared in a war town country, than visit your local WMA. The cost: 200 hours of your life.
You can do things the hard way, the easy way or virtually any way in between. We live in a glorious age.
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#2012809 - 07/31/10 10:59 AM
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You can do things the hard way, the easy way or virtually any way in between. We live in a glorious age.
Love that line Poser!
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#2013137 - 07/31/10 05:21 PM
Re: Comfort vs Success........??
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mike243
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may be a newby around here but the man has hunted Tn,@ not just a time or 2.welcolme aboard & looking forward to your next posts,mike243
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#2013159 - 07/31/10 05:37 PM
Re: Comfort vs Success........??
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mike243
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may be a newby around here but the man has hunted Tn,@ not just a time or 2.welcolme aboard & looking forward to your next posts,mike243
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#2014144 - 08/01/10 07:22 PM
Re: Comfort vs Success........??
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gator-n-buck
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I have used Summit Climbing Stands the last 15 years... They are easy to move, very safe, and I can hang all day in one...JMO
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