#2006407 - 07/25/10 10:40 AM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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Wes Parrish
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Mike,
You and I have had some very similar deer hunting experiences, and our "thinking" on when to shoot or not shoot is very similar.
I'm notorious for not slinging lead. When you hear me shoot you can just about count on there being a dead deer on the ground and two or three shots spaced apart usually means two or three dead deer. I won't take a shot in hopes that I connect . . . . . . . I don't advocate just slinging lead but I see nothing wrong with firing if you're confident of the shot. NOTE: These comments referring to hunting with a gun. I would generally consider any neck shot too low a probability with a bow.
By the way, I've killed many deer, including several mature bucks with a neck shot, in a very similar situation to what Mike described above. Just saying I don't advocate low-probability shots. A neck shot CAN be extremely high-probability and a sure way of dropping a deer where it stands.
I should add that a neck shot can also cause you to turn to a "horn mount" instead of a full shoulder mount, and it is not my 1st choice on a buck I would mount. Just sometimes its the first high-probability shot, and I've learned to take those, even if they are a neck shot. Most of my neck shots (on bucks) have been in a situation like Mike described where the chest was obstructed by a tree, yet I had a close-range neck shot. However, on does for the freezer, a neck shot is my preference if it presents as a high-probability shot.
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#2006416 - 07/25/10 10:51 AM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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Wes Parrish
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Last year, I had what appeared to be a 4 1/2-yr-old buck stick his head out of a pine thicket at about 45 yards. I had just gotten some glimpses of him seconds earlier moving fast thru the pine (and having seen him on several other days in that general area). Unlike some other days where I had been indecisive about taking this particular one (was afraid taking him would knock me out of an opportunity at an older, larger antlered buck), but this time, made a decision I was going to take him if a good opportunity presented.
Based on previous experiences of seeing older deer often stop and access more open areas, then run across them, I felt that was what this buck was likely to do. But before I decided to take the neck shot, he stepped out, quartering towards me. Actually had a good killing chest shot. But as he turned his head, he presented a perfect neck shot, which I could easily make without destroying much of his shoulders and backstrap. I opted for the neck shot. Dropping him instantly where he had stood.
This was that buck . . . . . . 11-15-2009
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#2006711 - 07/25/10 06:21 PM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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I have been on boths sides of the fence, waited for a better shot and lost the opportunity, and shot too fast and wished I would have waited and not rushed the shot.
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#2006729 - 07/25/10 06:57 PM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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[[/quote] Probably would have been a better question had it been framed as 1st low-probability shot vs. waiting for a higher-probability shot?
>I do my best not thinking about it too long.
What constitutes a "low-probability" shot anyway......distance? angle? obstructions?
>Obstructions, and Daylight> for me mostly
many hunters shoot guns that are known as "brush busters". very heavy grain powerful bullets that hunters don't feel at all bad about shooting through brush....
>I hope not. No such thing, even with 00 Buck
I simply remember passing shots that I wish I hadn't and taking shots that I wish I had waited on......I just wondered who else had experienced the same things... >Yup!
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#2008046 - 07/26/10 08:50 PM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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One of the worst mistakes i have made is waiting to long before trying to draw. Most of the time i find that drawing 10 yards befoe they are in range is better than waiting for them to get in range then trying to draw and getting busted. I have found this to be worse than trying to get a better shot.
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#2008421 - 07/27/10 09:00 AM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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I have, regrettably so. This was a shot that should have been taken, but I wanted the "perfect" broadside shot and waited too late. This was rifle season btw, and the buck was a 140 class 10pt, much like the one you guys have seen me post from 2006, only with snow white antlers. Makes me sick every time I think about it. I have to mentally tell myself that, if I decide to take a certain buck, to take the first good shot presented, and even then I sometimes wait. Just one of those issues I have to deal with in the hunting woods I guess.
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#2008567 - 07/27/10 10:44 AM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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Wes Parrish
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I have, regrettably so. This was a shot that should have been taken, but I wanted the "perfect" broadside shot and waited too late. This was rifle season btw . . . . . Makes me sick every time I think about it. I have to mentally tell myself that, if I decide to take a certain buck, to take the first good shot presented . . . . . . Agree.
This is just part of the learning process. We're all going to make mistakes, but may we strive not to make bigger ones as we learn both from our own as well as the mistakes of others. Each of us doesn't have to make all the same mistakes. Sometimes "smarter" to learn from the mistakes of others.
Would add, if the buck is getting away before you can take that high-probability shot, don't take a "Hail Mary" shot at him just because you're either not getting a good shot or missed the opportunity when you had it. Why take a shot when the odds are higher the deer will die unrecovered from a poor shot than be recovered from a good shot?
Even with low odds, it's sometimes hard to totally miss a deer, but very easy to make a bad shot on that deer. Deer dies days later, unrecovered. I admit I learned that lesson the hard way, many moons ago. Anyone can be lucky, but when we count on luck, we're usually unlucky, or worse, by being lucky, we fail to learn, and are thus even more "unlucky" in the future.
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#2008577 - 07/27/10 10:49 AM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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MUP
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I have, regrettably so. This was a shot that should have been taken, but I wanted the "perfect" broadside shot and waited too late. This was rifle season btw . . . . . Makes me sick every time I think about it. I have to mentally tell myself that, if I decide to take a certain buck, to take the first good shot presented . . . . . . Agree. This is just part of the learning process. We're all going to make mistakes, but may we strive not to make bigger ones as we learn both from our own as well as the mistakes of others. Each of us doesn't have to make all the same mistakes. Sometimes "smarter" to learn from the mistakes of others. Would add, if the buck is getting away before you can take that high-probability shot, don't take a "Hail Mary" shot at him just because you're either not getting a good shot or missed the opportunity when you had it. Why take a shot when the odds are higher the deer will die unrecovered from a poor shot than be recovered from a good shot? Even with low odds, it's sometimes hard to totally miss a deer, but very easy to make a bad shot on that deer. Deer dies days later, unrecovered. I admit I learned that lesson the hard way, many moons ago. Anyone can be lucky, but when we count on luck, we're usually unlucky, or worse, by being lucky, we fail to learn, and are thus even more "unlucky" in the future.
That's exactly what I do Wes. In this case, I waited too long, while the buck was presenting a good broadside shot....just a few bush limbs were there by him, and I was only about 75 yds away. I know without a doubt that my rifle shot would have done the job b/c the limbs were right there at him, not like they would have deflected the bullet drastically, if any. But, I let him turn and walk straight down the ridge away from me, while I still could have made a "Texas heart shot", I just let him continue on, while blasting myself on the inside for missing such a rare opportunity on my place......again.
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#2008587 - 07/27/10 10:56 AM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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Wes Parrish
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MUP,
Not exactly sure what you're saying, but my thoughts are if it's a high-probability shot, we take them. If not, just be happy to have had the experience.
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#2008599 - 07/27/10 11:15 AM
Re: To wait or not to wait........
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I'll not hesitate to take the first HIGH PROBABILITY shot once I've decided that particular deer is one I want.
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