#2003193 - 07/22/10 07:39 AM
Re: Pressure and memory.......
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tndrbstr
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I would rather carry a pee bottle and have one less thing to think about......
another example of each ones personal perception when it comes to participating in similar activities... now to me, a pee bottle is just one more thing to have to think about...
I've never heard a deer or anything else pee in the woods and it sound like someone turned on a water hose, so I have to say that the sound of a hunter peeing out of a treestand , hitting the leaves on the ground would be a sound that most deer would not be familiar with
I think deer hear themselves as well as the rest of the deer in their close social groups peeing in the leaves and on the ground all the time...I am sure it is a natural and very common sound that would be very farmiliar to them.....
It may be alot louder to them falling 20 feet to the ground but the sound itself would be very similar and even recognizable to a deer I would think....and even the interperted volume would be dependant on how far they are from the noise, other noises going on around them etc..... jmo
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#2003298 - 07/22/10 08:57 AM
Re: Pressure and memory.......
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I don't know what it is about the sound of pee hitting dry leaves that attracts deer--both bucks and does. I don't think deer hear the sound and believe it is another deer peeing. I suspect they think the sound is being made by other deer running through the leaves hence they come in to investigate which other deer are making the sound.
But the smell of human urine certainly doesn't spook them. The vast majority of the time, they simply smell it and then ignore it.
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#2004325 - 07/23/10 05:54 AM
Re: Pressure and memory.......
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O-K,
I'LL "wade in" on this pee thing.
First of all, I too, have had good experiences with peein from a tree. But also bad experience. I think that during rutty times of the year, deer, especially bucks and estrous does, are attracted to both sight and sound of pee from a tree. But much of my hunting time is both pre and post rut. Not only do I feel it amy negatively affect the area I hunt after a good saturatin, but also I bow hunt almost exclusively, so calling in deer, wether pee or rattling or bleat, brings them in on ALERT.
Now I want my shots at CLOSE deer that are reasonably RELAXED. "Peein them in to close range" just isn't good for me.
I am not fully convinced that the human urine will not affect deer in a negative way. So, I am watching my friends to see their results.
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#2004679 - 07/23/10 12:03 PM
Re: Pressure and memory.......
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102
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hey, They chose to pee out of their stands. I told them what I thought.
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#2004692 - 07/23/10 12:20 PM
Re: Pressure and memory.......
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Bottom Hunter
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Please allow me to clarify my PEE point of view. lol
I am NOT talking about "attracting" deer by "calling them in" by peeing.
I have never and will never see a deer just out of range and decide to pee to draw him or her in closer......
I always take a good look around before peeing. If I see a deer, then I hold it. If not, then I let it go.
If I am peeing in a bottle , I can somehow control the noise and movement. If I am peeing on the ground and a deer walks out of the thicket 20 yards away and sees this stream of pee falling from the treetops, he/she may just find that abit odd, don't you think?
I'm not worried about deer smelling the pee and I surely will not add "PEEING" to my "bag of tricks". I'm more worried about being in FULL STREAM and having a deer appear within bow range and bust me.......
That gives me an idea.........why not take a gallon jug of water and "create" a peeing sound......? might be the next BIG THING!!!
I can see it now......Primos introduces the best deer call ever designed..."P-FORCE!!!!
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#2004697 - 07/23/10 12:23 PM
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redcorn
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I don't know why some deer have spooked when they smell where i've urinated. Maybe it's because it was still warm, or because it contained a lot of wasted vitamins. Either way, i think the point is that the deer came within yards of my tree to investigate.
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#2004781 - 07/23/10 01:13 PM
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Tomahawk
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Heck, I'm a man that sees an opportunity when it presents its self. I've started peeing in some containers, look for it this fall --"Tomahawk Deer Lure", just splash a little on the ground when the deer is just out of range.... lol
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