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#2001107 - 07/20/10 06:00 PM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: BSK]
redcorn
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Again, I think it all depends on the individual deer. I've seen many deer attracted or indifferent to human urine, but I've also seen a few that were repelled by it. Either way, i'm not holding it or peeing in a bottle; i'm letting it fly. I've also seen deer act both ways towards estrous scent-- I've seen bucks (mostly younger)come in on a string, and i've seen other deer (mostly older does) raise hell over it.
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#2001217 - 07/20/10 07:52 PM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: Wes Parrish]
mrk80
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Over a period of several years, it finally "dawned" on me that when I peed from high in a tree, that's when deer would suddenly appear most.

For years I'd taken extreme measures to not do such seemingly "stupid" things, as make such a racket, much less all that human pee smell --- yet, sometimes, just had to let it fly. I'd try to wait until surely no deer around, or it's after 10AM --- no deer around --- but while still in mid-stream --- here they come running. Not away from me, but to me. I once picked up a pocket full of white oaks on my way to my stand. I got bored in the stand and started peeling the acorns and flicking them. A 10pt i was chasing suddenly appeared 50yds away. I kept dropping those acorns below my stand and pulled that buck within 15yds when i let the arrow fly and got me a 139" p/y buck. So I know they are sound drawn....

Best deer call in the woods:

The sound of something (most anything) falling from a tree onto dry leaves. I've even dropped a fanny pack, and then had deer running up to investigate. Or have you ever lowered your bow (or gun) down before a climb down, and a few seconds after it hits the ground, you hear deer walking towards you?

Yet to figure out whether the deer have been "conditioned" to thinking it's probably another deer (the pee hitting the ground) or maybe it's something (like acorns) that's falling from a tree (edible). Either way, they are "conditioned" to come check it out when they otherwise don't perceive danger associated with this sound --- pee hitting the ground. And I can almost guarantee you that despite popular myths, deer are not spooked by the smell of human urine --- the sound will attract them, and the smell will NOT spook them.

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#2001228 - 07/20/10 07:59 PM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: Good time Charlie]
Football Hunter
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Back in SC,we jumped a buck out of the same place.weekend after weekend,with dogs,sometimes he got run for miles.How did we know it was the same buck?He had a deformed hoof,but a BIG rack,hes on the wall to my right! \:\)
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#2001956 - 07/21/10 10:44 AM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: Football Hunter]
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Good topic! I agree that individual deer are different to a degree. I do not believe however that in 99% of cases that a single bumping of a buck will blow him off his normal routine or area he's using. If it did I would not have killed many that I have. I do a lot of my scouting during season on new areas, simply because its the only chance I have and it works great, as the deer leaving sign will solidify my thoughts when i find areas I think they will travel/feed. I too have found the sign/area one day, and even jumped the buck on occasion, and then kill him within a few days within a half mile or less. I even do a lot of my scouting with bow in hand and stand on my back, when I find what im looking for its up a tree until dark, and this is hands down the very best shot you will have at a good buck in the area!
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#2001997 - 07/21/10 11:08 AM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: Winchester]
Tomahawk
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Registered: 07/11/10
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You make very good points Winchester. I believe the same thing about not running a buck from the area just because a person may of bumped them. Also the "fresh" area of hunting is something I like to try and do when locating a new spot. Seems the sightings increase for sure.
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#2002060 - 07/21/10 11:58 AM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: BSK]
Still-n-Quiet
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Ever try to sight down an MZ's barrel with most of a Nutty Buddy sticking out of your mouth?


Nope! But I have sited in with the MZ with my pants down and everything hanging out! \:o
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#2002193 - 07/21/10 01:28 PM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: Still-n-Quiet
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Ever try to sight down an MZ's barrel with most of a Nutty Buddy sticking out of your mouth?


Nope! But I have sited in with the MZ with my pants down and everything hanging out! \:o


Sounds like somebody got caught by a deer literally with their pants down! \:D
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#2003050 - 07/22/10 05:06 AM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: BSK]
Mike Belt
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The number 1 time a deer catches me off guard is while I'm peeing. It's happened way too many times. I know I've watched deer come straight to my tree and sniff around. Years ago I found that a pee bottle was just one thing I could eliminate from having to carry in with me. What I do wonder though is in prime setups where I have peed from the treestand if possibly bucks passing through after nightfall may be able to link the smell of urine to any potential human odors left behind and create the man association thus avoiding that immediate area temporarily.
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#2003068 - 07/22/10 05:37 AM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
The number 1 time a deer catches me off guard is while I'm peeing. It's happened way too many times. I know I've watched deer come straight to my tree and sniff around. Years ago I found that a pee bottle was just one thing I could eliminate from having to carry in with me. What I do wonder though is in prime setups where I have peed from the treestand if possibly bucks passing through after nightfall may be able to link the smell of urine to any potential human odors left behind and create the man association thus avoiding that immediate area temporarily.


I would rather carry a pee bottle and have one less thing to think about.....I've never heard a deer or anything else pee in the woods and it sound like someone turned on a water hose, so I have to say that the sound of a hunter peeing out of a treestand , hitting the leaves on the ground would be a sound that most deer would not be familiar with....plus, I have peed in a bottle while deer were approaching, finished up, set the bottle down and made the shot. The deer never knew I was there. I doubt that I could have done that while peeing on the ground.....if nothing else, the noise would have given my position away.....

you know you're bored when the conversation turns to pee....lol.
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#2003142 - 07/22/10 07:06 AM Re: Pressure and memory....... [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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FIRST of all let me say: THIS MAY BE THE BEST THREAD EVER STARTED ON TN. DEER.

For those who are capable of reading between the lines, and gleaning GREAT information about what MIGHT make deer do what they do...THIS IS IT!

Conditioned response.
Scent "memory"
Individual deer "personalities"
PATTERNING humans

This is GREAT stuff.

Do you want to kill more deer. More MATURE deer. Don't start trying to think like a deer, just try to gain an understanding of how and why they RESPOND the way they do.

Here are some of the priorities I do NOT rank in order of importance because the order changes DRAMATICALLY according to their availability: The KEY to success is discovring which is most important at the time you hunt.

Survival...and not of the individual but the species...which means RUT

Food

Cover

Water

PRESSURE

So..does pressure cause negative effects for your deer hunting because of the "memory" capabilities that deer posess? You bet it does. BUT it can also help

But if you always hunt with these five things in mind, and then ALWAYS consider wind direction, time of year, and a couple other things, you will increase your success.

102

p.s.-BH, I agree with you about the pee.
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