#2001069 - 07/20/10 05:09 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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Wes Parrish
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And what about all these hunting outfitters that allow clients to kill so called "management" bucks. It might appear that that is nothing more than a ploy to get more money.
That's my take.
Although I have no problem with someone having to pay to hunt, and pay less for taking less.
Ain't no free lunch.
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#2001109 - 07/20/10 06:02 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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BSK
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Dispersal tells me that very few bucks born in your area will ever live and/or breed there.....
SO..................if one mature buck with great genetics does most of the breeding, HIS gene pool will get dispersed all over the county and even into other counties since some bucks may move many many miles away before settling down.....
SO..............selective harvest does nothing to increase the "big buck" gene pool in your area....thusly unless you can keep the deer in your area, which is very unlikely, it is mainly luck that ANOTHER buck with great genes moves into your area when one of YOUR young bucks moves out.....
did I make any sense there at all?????
You got it Bottom Hunter. The problem with culling is twofold:
First, most bucks disperse from their birth range, taking their genetics with them. The 2 1/2+ year-old bucks you are hunting on a given property were born primarily somewhere else, perhaps miles away. Most are not the sons of local bucks.
Second, a buck's antlers are not the product of a simple genetic "50% from the father, 50% from the mother" process like most assume. How genetics play into expressed antler traits (what a buck actually grows compared to his genetic make-up) is a complicated enough process that no one understands it yet. Once deciphered, it will probably turn out to be a very unusual process, as, so far, it has defied normal genetic explanation.
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#2001113 - 07/20/10 06:08 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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BSK
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When it comes to "management bucks," first let me say that in unique situations, taking out some bucks from the herd actually has some biological benefits, especially in high-fenced situations. A high-fence can only hold so many deer in a healthy manner, hence if you want to make room for the new crop of young bucks, some older bucks have to go. Why not take out the older bucks with the smallest antlers? These are "management bucks," and removing them has a legitimate biological purpose--lowering the buck density.
HOWEVER, in most pay-to-hunt operations, selling "management buck" hunts is simply a way of selling hunts for small-antlered bucks! What brilliant marketing!
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#2001180 - 07/20/10 07:31 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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mrk80
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I know most fawns get runned off by the doe when they are of age to fend for themselves and generally vacate to a new area "especially bucks". I also was told that if you shoot a doe that has say twin button bucks when they are old enough to fend for themselves but still traveling with her that those two button bucks will stay local and live their live through maturity in the same area. What is your guys opinion on that?
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#2001203 - 07/20/10 07:46 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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BigGameGuy
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Any time a buck is killed (regardless of his antlers), it reduces the buck:doe ratio and reduces the ongoing buck age structure.
Take a deep breath Wes and repeat after me.
"It okay to kill a buck...It is okay to kill a buck...It is okay to kill a buck" 
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#2001221 - 07/20/10 07:53 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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Any time a buck is killed (regardless of his antlers), it reduces the buck:doe ratio and reduces the ongoing buck age structure. Take a deep breath Wes and repeat after me. "It okay to kill a buck...It is okay to kill a buck...It is okay to kill a buck"
too funny 
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#2001225 - 07/20/10 07:56 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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Football Hunter
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Dont shoot small bucks
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#2001358 - 07/20/10 09:12 PM
Re: Open for debate..selective harvest..
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Quailman
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Take a deep breath Wes and repeat after me. "It okay to kill a buck...It is okay to kill a buck...It is okay to kill a buck"  Hey, I agree, it's OK to kill a buck, maybe even TWO (2)!
Good job Wes! Stand your ground!
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