#2000906 - 07/20/10 02:07 PM
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Funny how deer can know the difference between the farmer and his tractor and a hunter in his truck/atv. I've watched deer stay in the far field while farmer does his thing but let a atv or truck come to the tractor and the deer will bolt. Don't know what is in their head but they probably have more intelligence than me...   Actually it's a pretty easy process to understand. Tractor has never caused them harm, hence the deer ignore it. At some point the deer had a negative encounter (which they classify as "danger") with a truck/ATV. They then react very negatively to a truck/ATV in the future. The big question in many researchers minds is how did the deer learn the truck/ATV was dangerous? Was it taught to them by their mother? Was it a first hand experience? Can deer "learn" by watching what happens to other deer? Basically, the big question is, how do deer learn what is and is not dangerous? I would guess that it is a relationship to the farmiliarity in the differant patterns (time of day and travel patterns) and sounds (varying pitches) of the differant vehicles they encounter on a regularl basis.....
But how does a deer learn that "big lump up in tree" is dangerous? Did they get shot at? How did they learn being shot at is dangerous? Did they see another deer get harmed or did they somehow learn this themselves? Is "danger" to deer anything that scares them? Lots of questions that probably can't be answered.
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#2000910 - 07/20/10 02:14 PM
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RKenney
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Deer might be dumb.....but they sure aren't stupid.
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#2000913 - 07/20/10 02:18 PM
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tndrbstr
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Funny how deer can know the difference between the farmer and his tractor and a hunter in his truck/atv. I've watched deer stay in the far field while farmer does his thing but let a atv or truck come to the tractor and the deer will bolt. Don't know what is in their head but they probably have more intelligence than me... Actually it's a pretty easy process to understand. Tractor has never caused them harm, hence the deer ignore it. At some point the deer had a negative encounter (which they classify as "danger") with a truck/ATV. They then react very negatively to a truck/ATV in the future. The big question in many researchers minds is how did the deer learn the truck/ATV was dangerous? Was it taught to them by their mother? Was it a first hand experience? Can deer "learn" by watching what happens to other deer? Basically, the big question is, how do deer learn what is and is not dangerous? I would guess that it is a relationship to the farmiliarity in the differant patterns (time of day and travel patterns) and sounds (varying pitches) of the differant vehicles they encounter on a regularl basis..... But how does a deer learn that "big lump up in tree" is dangerous? Did they get shot at? How did they learn being shot at is dangerous? Did they see another deer get harmed or did they somehow learn this themselves? Is "danger" to deer anything that scares them? Lots of questions that probably can't be answered.
I don't try to put that much into myself, but thats just me....I would go towards the "big lump up in the tree" was stinking, fooling with one of his gadgets, moving, or got caught trying to text message one of his buddys!....
...Don't get me wrong, I have seen deer that seemed to conciously be looking for danger from above on some of the heavier hunted wma's, but my guess is that the thought process was ingrained in thier heads within the last 8 or 10 minutes rather than instilled thru months or years........
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#2000915 - 07/20/10 02:20 PM
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tndrbstr
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Deer might be dumb.....but they sure aren't stupid.
Nope,.....
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#2000924 - 07/20/10 02:30 PM
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I would go towards the "big lump up in the tree" was stinking, fooling with one of his gadgets, moving, or got caught trying to text message one of his buddys!....
HA!! Who hasn't been there! Fiddling with a gadget only to hear "SNORT!"
Although for me, it's eating. Pulling a snack out of my bag is almost a guarantee of having a deer walk up behind me...
Ever try to sight down an MZ's barrel with most of a Nutty Buddy sticking out of your mouth?
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#2000927 - 07/20/10 02:35 PM
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tndrbstr
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I would go towards the "big lump up in the tree" was stinking, fooling with one of his gadgets, moving, or got caught trying to text message one of his buddys!.... HA!! Who hasn't been there! Fiddling with a gadget only to hear "SNORT!" Although for me, it's eating. Pulling a snack out of my bag is almost a guarantee of having a deer walk up behind me... Ever try to sight down an MZ's barrel with most of a Nutty Buddy sticking out of your mouth?
Hahaha!!!...hey I've seen the time I would trade a p&y for a good cup of coffee!!!!!!
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#2001017 - 07/20/10 04:24 PM
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Wes Parrish
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Over a period of several years, it finally "dawned" on me that when I peed from high in a tree, that's when deer would suddenly appear most.
For years I'd taken extreme measures to not do such seemingly "stupid" things, as make such a racket, much less all that human pee smell --- yet, sometimes, just had to let it fly. I'd try to wait until surely no deer around, or it's after 10AM --- no deer around --- but while still in mid-stream --- here they come running. Not away from me, but to me.
Best deer call in the woods:
The sound of something (most anything) falling from a tree onto dry leaves. I've even dropped a fanny pack, and then had deer running up to investigate. Or have you ever lowered your bow (or gun) down before a climb down, and a few seconds after it hits the ground, you hear deer walking towards you?
Yet to figure out whether the deer have been "conditioned" to thinking it's probably another deer (the pee hitting the ground) or maybe it's something (like acorns) that's falling from a tree (edible). Either way, they are "conditioned" to come check it out when they otherwise don't perceive danger associated with this sound --- pee hitting the ground. And I can almost guarantee you that despite popular myths, deer are not spooked by the smell of human urine --- the sound will attract them, and the smell will NOT spook them.
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#2001086 - 07/20/10 05:28 PM
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I've now killed 7 deer I "called" to me by peeing from my stand.
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