At what point does pressure push deer out of an area for good...?

Deer have an amazing ability to differentiate between what they perceive to be threatening versus non-threatening human contact. They completely ignore non-threatening contact but more experienced deer will adjust their activities to avoid threatening human contact.




I don't think anything short of total habitat destruction pushes deer out of an area "for good." Deer simply adjust the times (night-time) and routes of movement to avoid what they perceive to be threatening human contact.

I don't think deer have a memory at all. I think they have a coditioned response.

I know that deer are not capable of rational thought,

No animal other than Humans are capable of rational thought. However, the ability to recognize danger and respond to like situations in the future (avoidance behavior) requires no rational thought. Just conditional memory.

Exactly,.....Thats what makes it so ironic (and entertaining) that so many hunters continually try to apply a rationalization process to their actions...

HAHA,...all we need to do is get the deer to read TNDEER and then they would know what they are supposed to do!!!!

Just for the record,...I have my doubts about many humans too...

I think animals in general key in more so on what works as a point of conditioning....not so much as what doesn't work....

Funny how deer can know the difference between the farmer and his tractor and a hunter in his truck/atv. I've watched deer stay in the far field while farmer does his thing but let a atv or truck come to the tractor and the deer will bolt. Don't know what is in their head but they probably have more intelligence than me...

Funny how deer can know the difference between the farmer and his tractor and a hunter in his truck/atv. I've watched deer stay in the far field while farmer does his thing but let a atv or truck come to the tractor and the deer will bolt. Don't know what is in their head but they probably have more intelligence than me...

When you find one that can count to ten you let me know alright!?...

Actually it's a pretty easy process to understand. Tractor has never caused them harm, hence the deer ignore it. At some point the deer had a negative encounter (which they classify as "danger") with a truck/ATV. They then react very negatively to a truck/ATV in the future. The big question in many researchers minds is how did the deer learn the truck/ATV was dangerous? Was it taught to them by their mother? Was it a first hand experience? Can deer "learn" by watching what happens to other deer? Basically, the big question is, how do deer learn what is and is not dangerous?

I would guess that it is a relationship to the farmiliarity in the differant patterns (time of day and travel patterns) and sounds (varying pitches) of the differant vehicles they encounter on a regularl basis.....

But how does a deer learn that "big lump up in tree" is dangerous? Did they get shot at? How did they learn being shot at is dangerous? Did they see another deer get harmed or did they somehow learn this themselves? Is "danger" to deer anything that scares them? Lots of questions that probably can't be answered.

Deer might be dumb.....but they sure aren't stupid.

I would go towards the "big lump up in the tree" was stinking, fooling with one of his gadgets, moving, or got caught trying to text message one of his buddys!....

HA!! Who hasn't been there! Fiddling with a gadget only to hear "SNORT!"

Although for me, it's eating. Pulling a snack out of my bag is almost a guarantee of having a deer walk up behind me...
Ever try to sight down an MZ's barrel with most of a Nutty Buddy sticking out of your mouth?

Hahaha!!!...hey I've seen the time I would trade a p&y for a good cup of coffee!!!!!!

Over a period of several years, it finally "dawned" on me that when I peed from high in a tree, that's when deer would suddenly appear most.

For years I'd taken extreme measures to not do such seemingly "stupid" things, as make such a racket, much less all that human pee smell --- yet, sometimes, just had to let it fly. I'd try to wait until surely no deer around, or it's after 10AM --- no deer around --- but while still in mid-stream --- here they come running. Not away from me, but to me. I once picked up a pocket full of white oaks on my way to my stand. I got bored in the stand and started peeling the acorns and flicking them. A 10pt i was chasing suddenly appeared 50yds away. I kept dropping those acorns below my stand and pulled that buck within 15yds when i let the arrow fly and got me a 139" p/y buck. So I know they are sound drawn....

Best deer call in the woods:

The sound of something (most anything) falling from a tree onto dry leaves. I've even dropped a fanny pack, and then had deer running up to investigate. Or have you ever lowered your bow (or gun) down before a climb down, and a few seconds after it hits the ground, you hear deer walking towards you?

Yet to figure out whether the deer have been "conditioned" to thinking it's probably another deer (the pee hitting the ground) or maybe it's something (like acorns) that's falling from a tree (edible). Either way, they are "conditioned" to come check it out when they otherwise don't perceive danger associated with this sound --- pee hitting the ground. And I can almost guarantee you that despite popular myths, deer are not spooked by the smell of human urine --- the sound will attract them, and the smell will NOT spook them.

Ever try to sight down an MZ's barrel with most of a Nutty Buddy sticking out of your mouth?

Nope! But I have sited in with the MZ with my pants down and everything hanging out!

The number 1 time a deer catches me off guard is while I'm peeing. It's happened way too many times. I know I've watched deer come straight to my tree and sniff around. Years ago I found that a pee bottle was just one thing I could eliminate from having to carry in with me. What I do wonder though is in prime setups where I have peed from the treestand if possibly bucks passing through after nightfall may be able to link the smell of urine to any potential human odors left behind and create the man association thus avoiding that immediate area temporarily.

I would rather carry a pee bottle and have one less thing to think about......

I've never heard a deer or anything else pee in the woods and it sound like someone turned on a water hose, so I have to say that the sound of a hunter peeing out of a treestand , hitting the leaves on the ground would be a sound that most deer would not be familiar with

I am not fully convinced that the human urine will not affect deer in a negative way. So, I am watching my friends to see their results.

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I have never and will never see a deer just out of range and decide to pee to draw him or her in closer......





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That gives me an idea.........why not take a gallon jug of water and "create" a peeing sound......? might be the next BIG THING!!!

I can see it now......Primos introduces the best deer call ever designed..."P-FORCE!!!!

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I am NOT talking about "attracting" deer by "calling them in" by peeing.

I have never and will never see a deer just out of range and decide to pee to draw him or her in closer......

I always take a good look around before peeing. If I see a deer, then I hold it. If not, then I let it go.

If I am peeing in a bottle , I can somehow control the noise and movement. If I am peeing on the ground and a deer walks out of the thicket 20 yards away and sees this stream of pee falling from the treetops, he/she may just find that abit odd, don't you think?