#2000163 - 07/19/10 10:11 PM
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RKenney
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Who has ever hunted "undisturbed pockets" of cover, away from the "main stream"?
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#2000180 - 07/19/10 10:21 PM
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I DO!!!!! THE BEST HUNTING AROUND BUT THE HARDEST TO FIND FOR SURE!!!!
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#2000326 - 07/20/10 05:23 AM
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deer bed anywhere.
Some buddies and I were rabbit hunting one day and jumped a buck out of a dozer pile right out in the middle of an open field.
IMO, bedding areas are chosen , not by design, but more by peacefulness.......
Find the place where people don't venture, and you'll surely find deer, no matter what the place looks like.
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#2000422 - 07/20/10 07:17 AM
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They are out there just hard to find
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#2000475 - 07/20/10 08:09 AM
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We purposeful set these aside as sanctuaries. We never hunt in them but certainly hunt around the edges of them.
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#2000537 - 07/20/10 08:53 AM
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We purposeful set these aside as sanctuaries. We never hunt in them but certainly hunt around the edges of them.
Same thing here. We use our CPR fields as sanctuaries.
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#2000806 - 07/20/10 12:49 PM
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I honestly dont hunt out of the way pockets. When I hunt public land I get back in there as deep as I can. I probably need to branch out and hunt some out of the way places that others overlook, but Im not experienced in finding them and hate having people wandering by while Im hunting. I did put my housemate on his first buck this year within 150 yards of the parking area on a piece of public ground.
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#2000838 - 07/20/10 01:07 PM
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If you know the land you hunt you will find these areas. For us we call them sanctuaries and they are no hunt zones on our property. The reason is to keep the deer on the property and not someone elses land. This is a safe haven for the deer so be careful. Trails leading to and from are great but don't tread to close or they will change there location...JMO.
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#2000845 - 07/20/10 01:19 PM
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We purposeful set these aside as sanctuaries. We never hunt in them but certainly hunt around the edges of them. Same thing here. We use our CPR fields as sanctuaries. I love to hunt the edge of CRP! Especially if it has an "inside corner" and/or funnel leading to it. Great bedding area, so for me early mornings are best. I hope to catch some coming off the hay fields/food plots heading for mid-morning siestas.
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#2000846 - 07/20/10 01:19 PM
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I'm a huge proponent of creating and protecting official sanctuaries on a given piece of hunting land. Deer need locations--even fairly small ones--where they know they can escape hunting pressure.
However, I'm also a HUGE believer in locating and hunting "de facto" sanctuaries--sanctuaries that naturally occur because of hunter preference. These de facto sanctuaries are simply places no one has been hunting for whatever reason. I've said it before and I'll say it again, in fairly heavily hunted areas, locating and hunting de facto sanctuaries is one of THE MOST IMPORTANT TECHNIQUES FOR CONSISTENTLY SEEING AND KILLING MATURE BUCKS.
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#2000855 - 07/20/10 01:25 PM
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BSK,
Never have I heard that before.. de facto...huh. Kind of like virgin ground?
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#2000858 - 07/20/10 01:29 PM
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"De facto" is Latin for "in fact." A "de facto" sanctuary is an area that has become a sanctuary even though no one ever designated it as such. It has become a sanctuary simply because no one hunts there, and the deer have picked up on that fact and gravitate to it when hunters invade the woods.
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#2000865 - 07/20/10 01:32 PM
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Got it...my Latin sucks....so the back forty of my grandpa's farm that we haven't hunt in 10 years would be like this? De facto sanctuary.
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#2000890 - 07/20/10 01:50 PM
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Got it...my Latin sucks....so the back forty of my grandpa's farm that we haven't hunt in 10 years would be like this? De facto sanctuary.
Yup.
A long-term research project I worked on was all about locating de facto sanctuaries, and then once located, measuring the results hunters had hunting in the de facto sanctuaries compared to areas outside these sanctuaries. It was an eye-opening experience to say the least.
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#2000933 - 07/20/10 02:46 PM
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Got it...my Latin sucks....so the back forty of my grandpa's farm that we haven't hunt in 10 years would be like this? De facto sanctuary. Yup. A long-term research project I worked on was all about locating de facto sanctuaries, and then once located, measuring the results hunters had hunting in the de facto sanctuaries compared to areas outside these sanctuaries. It was an eye-opening experience to say the least. A partial piece of some adjoining property I purchased a while back has about a 5 acre section on a steep hillside that nobody was hunting. I hunted the property along with another family prior to purchasing it and know that they weren't hunting it either. Once I owned it and got to pushing my way through overgrown logging roads one day I found bedding areas all over it and quite a few sheds much to my surprise. Don't let anybody hunt it now either.
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#2001013 - 07/20/10 04:22 PM
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I guess I need to make a trip to North Georgia and check Grandpa's old farm and the back forty. Like I said no one has hunted that property in 10 years. I might get lucky...
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#2001024 - 07/20/10 04:28 PM
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I guess I need to make a trip to North Georgia and check Grandpa's old farm and the back forty. Like I said no one has hunted that property in 10 years. I might get lucky... Could be a gold mine for you. Good Luck!
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#2001244 - 07/20/10 08:07 PM
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We purposeful set these aside as sanctuaries. We never hunt in them but certainly hunt around the edges of them. What I am working towards,lots of saw work
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#2001741 - 07/21/10 08:23 AM
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We purposeful set these aside as sanctuaries. We never hunt in them but certainly hunt around the edges of them. What I am working towards,lots of saw work
That's why I'm letting a logger pay me for the priviledge of sawing away!
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#2001891 - 07/21/10 09:59 AM
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LOL, I live and die by them. There is nothing better than finding the little or big, overlooked areas that are rarely if ever hunted by others! I have killed some bucks in places that many people wouldnt believe. I have even shown a couple to very close friends and they actually refused to hunt there. I decided then that showing anybody was stupid enough without them not believing me. Now its only family that gains privelage to the honey holes! lol In all seriousness, being consistently succesful takes learning ways to kill deer in all different circumstances, especialy if your like me and hunt many different places every season, many of which I have never set foot on before that season. Tricks to the trade we will call them, they are a necessity.
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#2002157 - 07/21/10 01:02 PM
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Tricks to the trade we will call them, they are a necessity.
You've got that right. However, the biggest problem is constantly having to develop new ones to stay ahead of the deer!
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#2002175 - 07/21/10 01:13 PM
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I guess I need to make a trip to North Georgia and check Grandpa's old farm and the back forty. Like I said no one has hunted that property in 10 years. I might get lucky...
If you need any help with that, just let me know. I'd be more than happy to oblige.
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#2002216 - 07/21/10 01:42 PM
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Anyone want to share where they have found these pockets? Examples of not specefic gps local.
The main one Ive found is the side of a big ridge right by a parking area. Its steep and then levels into fields on the top. There are also fields in the bottom across the roads but we hunt the side of the big ridge on a shelf within 150 yards of the truck.
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#2002353 - 07/21/10 03:10 PM
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Mine is on a hillside that was logged 10-15 years ago. Extremely steep for the most part with a few old overgrown logging roads zig-zagging back and forth on it. A man can bareley walk up or down it without busting his butt! At the bottom is a creek.
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#2002956 - 07/21/10 10:32 PM
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A "pocket" is not a sanctuary. A pocket away from the "main stream" is an emergency area after the "sanctuaries" have been found out by many roaming hunters. These areas are very often avoided by MOST hunters.
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#2003154 - 07/22/10 07:14 AM
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I know a guy that had a nice quiet sanctuary area and then proceeded to put a 4-wheeler trail all around the perimeter.
What do you think that did to keep a bachelor group of bucks close and comfortable all summer?
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#2003223 - 07/22/10 08:06 AM
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When I saw the topic, I thought you were wondering who deer hunted without spending a bunch of money!!!!
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#2003304 - 07/22/10 09:00 AM
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A "pocket" is not a sanctuary. A pocket away from the "main stream" is an emergency area after the "sanctuaries" have been found out by many roaming hunters. These areas are very often avoided by MOST hunters.
"These areas are very often avoided by MOST hunters." And that's how we locate these pockets--by finding areas where other hunters have not been hunting, for whatever reason.
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#2003628 - 07/22/10 12:48 PM
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old home places or deserted barns are great places to look. Deer even bed in dozer piles and within sight of major highways.....
most times, if you can get an aerial (got to love those things) of the place and simply pick the one place that you would never hunt, then hunt it...lol.
seriously.......
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#2003651 - 07/22/10 01:02 PM
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...simply pick the one place that you would never hunt, then hunt it...lol.
seriously.......
Exactly right.
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#2003663 - 07/22/10 01:15 PM
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...simply pick the one place that you would never hunt, then hunt it...lol.
seriously....... Exactly right.
Ditto......
This idea of hunting undisturbed areas is nothing new. Any seasoned deer hunter should know this is a good option to take when deer seem to get scarce. I have used this technique for 20 plus years. It can definately be rewarding. Had a trapper once tell me about jumpiing this big buck a couple times in a briar patch that was along his trapline route so I decided to check it out. Sure enough he was there the day I checked it but got busted before I could get into position for a shot. He never showed back there again. Once discovered they will most likey leave it after being detected so you better take advantage of the one chance you may get.
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#2003786 - 07/22/10 02:55 PM
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Although this is a bit more detailed than most hunters want to deal with, and is only useful for clubs or groups of hunters that hunt collectively, to help identify "where no one has been hunting," we lay a grid over a map of a hunting property, and each time a hunter hunts and records their deer observation data they also include the number of the grid they were hunting in. Over time, even across years, hunting pressure can be assessed grid by grid to locate those grids no one has been hunting in. These become primary hunting targets in following years.
For quite a few years I've been keeping track of hunter success using this technique, and analyzing hunter deer sighting rates compared to how much time has been spent hunting in that grid in previous years. I found a very, very strong correlation between the sighting rate of mature bucks and grids that have been hunted little or not at all over the previous three years. In essence, the less that grid has been hunted over the previous three years, the better a hunters chance of seeing a mature buck while hunting there. And I mean MUCH better.
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#2003787 - 07/22/10 03:00 PM
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Awesome info BSK. What size grid do you use for scale on the map? Guess it matters on the size of the map.
I'd really like to try this on our place.
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#2003790 - 07/22/10 03:01 PM
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Awesome info BSK. What size grid do you use for scale on the map? Guess it matters on the size of the map.
I'd really like to try this on our place.
Depends on the size of the property, but personally I like squares that are 200 yards by 200 yards.
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#2003791 - 07/22/10 03:02 PM
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Oh ok. Our property is 900 acres.
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#2003796 - 07/22/10 03:08 PM
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Wow! That is really cool.
That can definitely put things in perspective when you think you've covered every inch of ground on your property when the sightings get low and so does your confidence level.
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#2003877 - 07/22/10 05:01 PM
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Great data BSK...I know I have some areas that arent in my sanctuatry that havent been hunted, but its almost too thick to get to them. I'll have to get a trail in there this winter.
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#2003878 - 07/22/10 05:01 PM
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Thats slick right there BSK!
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#2003950 - 07/22/10 06:36 PM
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I always look for them and i have been fortunate enough to find a few and they are killer spots!!! Its not as hard as you think and sometimes they are in the most obvious spot! We have a gate to our lease and immediatly behind it is a log landing sitting on what looks like a rise....immediately behind that same landing is a ridge that runs nearly 300 yards level to a small but productive hardwood draw. I never knew it was there until i came out on it by mistake while scouting a few weeks ago. i will kill i nice deer there i feel confident....i have others and have killed some nice deer doing this. I always try to find spots where others cant or wont get to easily such as no access places. i looked at a topo of Laurel hill wma and realized there are several places there where there is no access for 1 mile stretches....awesome!
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#2004207 - 07/22/10 10:26 PM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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RKenney
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Many "pockets" can be where there is alot of human activity. Back in the 70's there was a place where several hunters always parked their vehicles on a pipe line. Many time we would all meet back at the trucks for lunch before trudging back into the normally undisturbed hunting areas.
One day someone decided to relieve themself in a very small thicket about 60 yards behind where we parked. All of the sudden there was a commotion with small limbs breaking and crashing. A huge buck came out of that "pocket" like it was the "running of the bulls" in Spain.
It was one of the fuunniest things I have every seen, with everyone scrambiling for their guns. Can I say Chinese fire drill? I guess I just did.
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#2004497 - 07/23/10 09:43 AM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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Yep, hence the term "hunt the hunters" works very well on heavy pressured public areas. Its all about getting outside the box and throwing them a curve so to speak. They will pattern you much faster than you them, so therefore being very random will oftentimes make a huge difference. Versatility is KING! This is why you have to be willing and able to hunt in every type area and situation as they come along, to be consistently succesful! Looking back over the years, what I wouldnt give to have a few do-overs with some huge bucks that I knew where there, I just didnt know at the time how to kill them, almost makes me sick at some of the stupid mistakes I have and still do make!
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#2004536 - 07/23/10 10:27 AM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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sometimes they are in the most obvious spot!
thats why it is often so easy for hunters, myself included, to simply dismiss them as we are going to the good spots.....
...but some times even setting up on these spots to hunt is not even practicle for on reason or another (saftey, cover,...)...then the deer need to pushed into a more favorable shooting zone...thats the reason if you do happen to bump a deer out of a hiding spot take notice of its escape route, because it will most often use the same route again when given the opportunity.... imo
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#2004543 - 07/23/10 10:32 AM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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Many "pockets" can be where there is alot of human activity.
That's how I killed one of my top bucks. I've told this story many times, but I was using the technique described above to locate "unhunted pockets" on my own property, and one of the areas the map highlighted was around our hunting cabin. Well of course no one hunts around the cabin, considering the amount of human activity that goes on there. But I took the program's advice and set up a stand so close to the cabin I could look in the windows. The first time I hunted that stand, here comes the oldest and biggest buck on the property, just ambling along in broad daylight. I shot him at 20 yards.
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#2004618 - 07/23/10 11:20 AM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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Many "pockets" can be where there is alot of human activity. That's how I killed one of my top bucks. I've told this story many times, but I was using the technique described above to locate "unhunted pockets" on my own property, and one of the areas the map highlighted was around our hunting cabin. Well of course no one hunts around the cabin, considering the amount of human activity that goes on there. But I took the program's advice and set up a stand so close to the cabin I could look in the windows. The first time I hunted that stand, here comes the oldest and biggest buck on the property, just ambling along in broad daylight. I shot him at 20 yards.
That story always amazes me.
Every year I plan to hunt in "new" locations. Then I end up back in the stands I enjoy hunting out of the most.
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#2004704 - 07/23/10 12:27 PM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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It's hard to hunt places you find....unattractive.......
Most times hunters look for places that LOOK GOOD....or DEERY!!!!
Funny thing is....to my knowledge, deer don't have decorators nor do they seem to care as much as hunters do about what their area LOOKS LIKE!!
At this very moment, I am trying to get permission to hunt a fenceline that runs between two HUGE fields.....nothing there but one very small cane thicket and a ditch....BUT, I have this funny feeling that HE is there.......
wish me luck....
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#2005158 - 07/23/10 08:24 PM
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The story goes both at eagle creek and at Laurel hill that some or at least a couple of the biggest bucks taken were behind both WMA Check stations on each place. I have had the GW's tell me this at both places! The deer do indeed pattern the humans before they themsleves are patterned. LMBO!
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#2005495 - 07/24/10 09:43 AM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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Mike Belt
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BSK---a couple questions....
Is the map shown here a 3 year grid map? Do you look at that map prior to opening of hunting season and "aim" for those areas or do you hunt them on into the hunting season when your favorite spots aren't producing? You ought to add kill pins to your map denoting when those little hunted areas produce.
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#2005645 - 07/24/10 01:25 PM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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BSK---a couple questions....
Is the map shown here a 3 year grid map? Do you look at that map prior to opening of hunting season and "aim" for those areas or do you hunt them on into the hunting season when your favorite spots aren't producing? You ought to add kill pins to your map denoting when those little hunted areas produce.
Mike,
I run a new analysis every year just after the season is over. I use the last 3 years' of hunting pressure each time I run the analysis. We then target the unhunted areas for moving stands to before the next hunting season (usually moving these stands in the winter, so deer get used to seeing them there).
I can't put "spots" where deer were killed because the unhunted areas change over time. However, I can graph the mature buck sighting rates by the past three years' hunting time in that grid. With just one exception, EVERY mature buck we've killed was killed from a grid with less than 15 total hours of hunting time spent in that grid over the last 3 years. The one exception was a mature buck killed the week before peak breeding as he scent-checked the downwind side of a heavily hunted small food plot.
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#2006131 - 07/24/10 10:29 PM
Re: Undisturbed pockets?
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RKenney
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BSK, Those maps are very interesting. When I think back over the years, I wish I knew then, what I know now.
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