#2003774 - 07/22/10 02:39 PM
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Butler, Christian and Todd Counties in KY are top-notch big buck areas. So are the Nashville basin and the MS River floodplain.
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#2003921 - 07/22/10 06:00 PM
Re: Now I have a Different view
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Butler, Christian and Todd Counties in KY are top-notch big buck areas. So are the Nashville basin and the MS River floodplain.
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#2004238 - 07/22/10 10:54 PM
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Butler, Christian and Todd Counties in KY are top-notch big buck areas. So are the Nashville basin and the MS River floodplain.
So what makes the difference in B&C entries,its not even close.
I just looked up the four most comparable counties geographically. Christian and Todd are just over the border from Stewart and Montgomery. To date there have been 24 Boone and Crockett bucks killed in the two Kentucky counties while there has been 8 Boone and Crockett bucks killed in the Tennessee counties.
Considering Kentucky has been restricting their 200,000+ hunters every year by limiting them to only one buck, so 16 more hunters can kill a B&C class buck...I guess you can say I like my options here in Tennessee. 
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#2004249 - 07/22/10 11:06 PM
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Believe it or not, "16 more" is a huge amount of B&C bucks when
you compare two counties in one state over two counties in
another state, that are just a few miles away.
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#2004384 - 07/23/10 07:40 AM
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Butler, Christian and Todd Counties in KY are top-notch big buck areas. So are the Nashville basin and the MS River floodplain.
So what makes the difference in B&C entries,its not even close.
Lack of buck age structure along the MS River (little cover) and lack of hunters (restricted access) in the Nashville Basin. Although the Nashville Basin has produce several of TN's state record bow and MZ bucks.
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#2004448 - 07/23/10 09:11 AM
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Believe it or not, "16 more" is a huge amount of B&C bucks when
you compare two counties in one state over two counties in
another state, that are just a few miles away.
RKenney -
I'll use a "Wes-ism" right here. Don't worry we're friends so he won't be too offended... 
"16 more" is actually 300% more which is sounds like a HUGE amount. That is until you put it in perspective.
Let's look at the last twenty years of buck harvest between the two. The Kentucky counties average buck kill per year is approximately 1,800 bucks per year (Christian - 1,200, Todd - 600). Again, this is primarily due to their 1-buck limit. The Tennessee counties on the other hand do not restrict their hunters near as much therefore their counties average buck kill is around 3,000 bucks per year (Montgomery - 1,800, Stewart - 1,200). This results in approximately 1,200 more bucks killed per year on the Tennessee side. Over the course of 20 years, that's an extra 24,000 bucks. Now I have worked a lot of check stations in my life and I can tell you pretty much without a doubt that I have yet to meet a hunter that has brought in a buck, be it big or small, that wasn't thrilled for having shot that buck. I can also almost guarantee you that those 16 B&C hunters were also thrilled about their kill. So looking at the "Thrill Scale", the 24,000 TN hunters compared to the 16 KY hunters is actually a 150,000% increase in-favor of Tennessee hunting.
I'd take 150,000% over 300% anyday.
(I hope you know I'm just fooling with ya' - )
In all seriousness...
If you look at the numbers over the last decade or so, those two Kentucky counties have killed approximately 3,600 bucks that were 3-1/2 years of age or older. The Tennessee counties have killed approximately 5,400 bucks that were 3-1/2 years of age or older. We are killing one and a half times more mature bucks than they are yet they are putting more deer into the record books. Since age is not the issue, it must be somthing else...nutrition. Think about it, a few extra inches per age-class is all you need to tip the record books in your favor. Unfortunately the scales are, and will always be, tipped in Kentucky's favor.
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#2004530 - 07/23/10 10:22 AM
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Great post BGG!
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#2004941 - 07/23/10 04:15 PM
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#2004971 - 07/23/10 04:54 PM
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Why cant everyone be happy to even be able to hunt?? I Tennessee went to 1 buck limit the results would be the same.The same people would fine some more excuses to complain about instead of ammiting that they probally are that great of hunters...I know for a fact their are some BIG deer here in Tennessee.I have seen them..I have seen deer that would probally go into the record books time and time again..But most of the good hunters dont care about records...They just like the thrill of the hunt...I have also noticed that the same people kill big bucks year in and year out...Dont never hear them complain...they are just hunters...not every one can be a good hunter...just like not everyone can be a good football,basketball,baseball player...Thats all this debate comes down to making excuses why they cant kill big bucks...but people in other states do...We will never be Kentucky...and Kentucky will never be tennessee....SO PLEASE GET OVER IT>>>>thats whats runing hunting.
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#2005094 - 07/23/10 07:24 PM
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Try driving aroundChristian,Butler,or other WKY counties yes and drive around Montgomery and Stewart right below them.Some pretty nice deer in the 3 buck state.  Kind of my pointI was trying to make before.Nice deer in both states in that area.In my part I hunt some small deer on both sides. You are making my point for me,go above the line,B&C heaven,below,its not close,25 miles,whats the difference?Nice bucks,or B&C bucks? Been booners out of those counties.Well heres a puzzler for you.Fort Campbell had more booners killed when they had a two buck limit than with the current one buck limit.most of the really big bucks killed at fc where back in the late 80's so guess buck limits aren't everything.
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