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#1995054 - 07/15/10 07:58 AM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: Football Hunter]
Mossy Oak
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I will be the first to admit that I am out there for nothing but big bucks. I kill my share of does but if a young buck with a large rack shows up with an old buck with a smaller rack, I'm shooting the young buck.
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#1995132 - 07/15/10 09:28 AM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: Mike Belt]
Quailman
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
but I have to wonder sometimes that for all those passing up "younger" deer with racks having great potential.....just how many of them do you meet again when their racks have reached their potential?


Mike, I honestly have no problem with passing up "younger" bucks with great potential in the hopes of killing that buck another year down the road. It's just my own set of personal goals that I follow for hunting. From what I've seen you post on this site, you seem to have similar goals?

Now the percentage is fairly low, but I've killed 2 bucks in TN that I passed as 3 year olds, and later killed them both as a 4 and 5 year old. I also passed a buck in Illinois in 2008 that was a 140" 2 year old (first one I've seen) because I knew what he could become. I shot that buck last year (not knowing it was him until later), and he grew into a 170" buck. Unfortunately I shot and lost him during archery season, and my neighbor ended up killing him during gun season.

But in reality, it gets back to expectations and what your own personal goals are as a hunter.

FH, as for your other question about limits, I don't know why we have them. ;\) J/K
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#1995181 - 07/15/10 10:14 AM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
No one has said anything about the last ?,if limits dont matter.why have em?


Limits are important when the resource is limited. Once the resource is no longer limited, limits are basically meaningless. Several high-density deer herd states either have had or still have virtually no limit on the number of a deer a hunter can kill. These areas haven't run out of deer yet.
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#1995265 - 07/15/10 11:28 AM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: BSK]
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I too try to kill only 3 1/2 and older bucks, and on one of my places I hunt yearly, a 2 1/2 would have to be an absolute monster before I shot him. Now move to public property where I do quite a bit of hunting each year, and show me a 140 inch 2 1/2 yr old and he dies. I pass most all 2 1/2 on public property but if one grows big enough he could be in trouble, however that has yet to happen to me here in TN. I have however also passed some 3 1/2 bucks that simply didnt grow enough rack to make me happy.
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#1995270 - 07/15/10 11:36 AM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: Winchester]
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I prefer to hunt for bucks 3 1/2+, regardless of antler size. But considering the average mature buck in my area only scores in the low 120s, a 120+ 2 1/2 would probably be in trouble around me. However, I've only photographed once such 2 1/2 year-old buck in the last decade.
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#1995402 - 07/15/10 01:45 PM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: BSK]
Tomahawk
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Glad you used the word "most" once again Gator-n-Buck. That is the reason why "most" hunters don't see the mature buck. I let a nice 3 1/2 up and comer go last year because I knew the 7 1/2 (down sized rack) was also in the neighborhood. Ten minutes after calling the 3 1/2 right under my stand, the old boy came in and caught the wrong end of a rage broadhead. This year will be no different. I will pick out the oldest of the boys that show up and will target that one only. Doesn't mean 100 percent kill rate but the opportunity will be 99.9 percent that there will be at least one buck over 3 1/2. Deer hunting is difficult but I believe too many people over think it or blame it on TWRA, genetics, other hunters or the land they have. One final note... Mature bucks do not live on some of the properties I hunt, but thats where you can bank they will show up. Give me a few does living there and anyone can have a honey hole. This is not only advice, this is fact. Backed with over 17 years first hand experience at 3 different 15-30 acre tracks of land.
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#1995751 - 07/15/10 08:56 PM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
No one has said anything about the last ?,if limits dont matter.why have em?


Limits are important when the resource is limited. Once the resource is no longer limited, limits are basically meaningless. Several high-density deer herd states either have had or still have virtually no limit on the number of a deer a hunter can kill. These areas haven't run out of deer yet.
How many of these "no limit" states,are "big buck"states?
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#1995755 - 07/15/10 08:58 PM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: Quailman]
Football Hunter
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Registered: 10/22/07
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman
 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
but I have to wonder sometimes that for all those passing up "younger" deer with racks having great potential.....just how many of them do you meet again when their racks have reached their potential?


Mike, I honestly have no problem with passing up "younger" bucks with great potential in the hopes of killing that buck another year down the road. It's just my own set of personal goals that I follow for hunting. From what I've seen you post on this site, you seem to have similar goals?

Now the percentage is fairly low, but I've killed 2 bucks in TN that I passed as 3 year olds, and later killed them both as a 4 and 5 year old. I also passed a buck in Illinois in 2008 that was a 140" 2 year old (first one I've seen) because I knew what he could become. I shot that buck last year (not knowing it was him until later), and he grew into a 170" buck. Unfortunately I shot and lost him during archery season, and my neighbor ended up killing him during gun season.

But in reality, it gets back to expectations and what your own personal goals are as a hunter.

FH, as for your other question about limits, I don't know why we have them. ;\) J/K
Can I hijack my own thread,YES! on an un related topic,Ive been hearing quail around my house this summer,and that is awesome!
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#1995975 - 07/16/10 07:11 AM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
No one has said anything about the last ?,if limits dont matter.why have em?


Limits are important when the resource is limited. Once the resource is no longer limited, limits are basically meaningless. Several high-density deer herd states either have had or still have virtually no limit on the number of a deer a hunter can kill. These areas haven't run out of deer yet.
How many of these "no limit" states,are "big buck"states?


None. But their lack of "big buck state" status has nothing to do with buck age structure or limits. You could implement a 1 buck limit in South Carolina and Alabama for the next 100 years and they would never become big buck states. They are not big buck states because the habitat won't produce that many big-antlered bucks. In fact, I've seen properties in these states with the best buck age structure of anywhere in the nation outside of TX. Yet even these properties with incredible buck age structures produce few if any truly big bucks.

Habitat produces big bucks, not bag limits. The 1 buck bag limit states are also the big agricultural states. Great habitat produces big bucks, not 1 buck bag limits.
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#1996021 - 07/16/10 07:43 AM Re: Mature bucks ,and smart girl friends [Re: BSK]
gator-n-buck
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
No one has said anything about the last ?,if limits dont matter.why have em?


Limits are important when the resource is limited. Once the resource is no longer limited, limits are basically meaningless. Several high-density deer herd states either have had or still have virtually no limit on the number of a deer a hunter can kill. These areas haven't run out of deer yet.
How many of these "no limit" states,are "big buck"states?


None. But their lack of "big buck state" status has nothing to do with buck age structure or limits. You could implement a 1 buck limit in South Carolina and Alabama for the next 100 years and they would never become big buck states. They are not big buck states because the habitat won't produce that many big-antlered bucks. In fact, I've seen properties in these states with the best buck age structure of anywhere in the nation outside of TX. Yet even these properties with incredible buck age structures produce few if any truly big bucks.

Habitat produces big bucks, not bag limits. The 1 buck bag limit states are also the big agricultural states. Great habitat produces big bucks, not 1 buck bag limits.


This makes good sense....but some people just don't want to believe it. You can look at a U.S. map and all the BIG BUCK states are almost all connected (big rectangle) except for Texas... That should be a clue that these states have something in common... Yes.. N.W. KY is in that rectangle...JMO

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