#1993532 - 07/14/10 06:58 AM
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richmanbarbeque
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many here say that hunting shows are the bad and give alist of reasons. I know some shows I could do without but think it is silly but that is just me.
I was very suprised this last weekend at the QDMA convention while watching seminars that there was SEVERAL teenage boys and girls attending the seminars. Some with their parents but most were with their buddies. Very respectful, attentive and one young man asked very good questions during two of the seminars. My wife even made comment on how many young people were there.
There was a few of the vendors that was promoting the latest craze in a bottle or bag but they were not getting the attention that they would at a regular deer expo. Maybe we need to educate instead of criticize. Just my opinion.
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#1993611 - 07/14/10 07:57 AM
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I hope so...its always great to see a kid getting into it. Unfortunately, a lot of kids dont have land access like I did growing up.
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#1993621 - 07/14/10 08:03 AM
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Thats good to hear Rich, and I will agree that while some hunting shows are over the top, and many are just advertisements, some still work in getting the gleam in a kids eye. I also think that many kids, especially those that have had a little exposure to the outdoors, realize that every tree doesnt have a big buck behind it, and take them for what they are, ENTERTAINMENT!
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#1993646 - 07/14/10 08:18 AM
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...and take them for what they are, ENTERTAINMENT!
But is it not prudent to point out that some entertainment is also serving as propoganda?
Explaining the issues of propoganda is part of education.
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#1993658 - 07/14/10 08:26 AM
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...and take them for what they are, ENTERTAINMENT! But is it not prudent to point out that some entertainment is also serving as propoganda? Explaining the issues of propoganda is part of education.
BSK, I totally see where your coming from and in many cases I agree its over the top. I have explained the situation to my kids and obviously I know how much of it is fabricated. Like I said, in the end we use it strictly for entertainment. I do agree however BSK that some people are so gullable they could take it for fact and have unrealistic expectations, just like they could from watching hundreds of different tv shows that make things look easy!
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#1993662 - 07/14/10 08:29 AM
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And it is the job of the educators to point out how propoganda works so the gullible won't be as gullible. Educators must explain how advertising and propoganda work so that people understand when they're being manipulated.
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#1993669 - 07/14/10 08:34 AM
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Great.
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#1993689 - 07/14/10 08:46 AM
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Don't really care to watch the hunting shows these days. I'll watch TN Wildside with my boys and other outdoor shows, just not any of the hunting shows on VS or other channels.
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#1993797 - 07/14/10 10:19 AM
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Like most things, there is a "mixed" blessing aspect to hunting shows.
Sadly, I believe the shows most viewed by the younger hunters in particular are the shows with the most propaganda, mainly selling gimmicks, and creating unrealistic expectations.
Unlike what we're more likely to see simply by turning on the TV, the QDMA Convention did have a bit more "screening" as to the content of MOST of their presentations being geared more towards the QDMA's themes.
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#1993878 - 07/14/10 11:08 AM
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Propoganda is not a big part of the curriculum.
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#1994000 - 07/14/10 01:06 PM
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Propoganda is not a big part of the curriculum.
It sure sould be.
I don't even remember what class it was, but I took a class in college that examined--in detail--propoganda methods and the aspects of human psychology these techniques play upon, as well as how advertisers have incorporated these tools in their product advertising. Those lessons were real eye-openers, and the information has really stuck with me. I would have to say that may have been one of the most important classes I took in school.
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#1994107 - 07/14/10 02:12 PM
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With so much openly displayed outrageous behavior these days it is refreshing to see respectful young men and women Rich. In my opinion the most important thing you can teach your child and is key to their success in life.
QDM or just quality outdoor time in general is a great for kids they learn to care about people, animals and the environment. It also helps them set and achieve goals. Their self-respect will skyrocket when they see themselves achieving those goals.
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#1994181 - 07/14/10 02:40 PM
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Food for thought...
Does anyone think that the subject of deer hunting would be where its at now if it wasn't for these shows?
I truly believe that the industry has helped in a lot of ways to promote hunting. Yes it is blown out of proportion and education is the key. But for me it would not be where it is if it wasn't for some of the shows...
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#1994241 - 07/14/10 03:19 PM
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Weird how things work out sometimes,my son has been fully included in all parts of hunting since he was in diapers,but hes just not much interested anymore.Last year,I believe he hunted twice with me,he has killed 7 or 8 deer,one nice 8pt,put him on em,even saved spots for juvy.Maybe I made it too easy.
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#1994248 - 07/14/10 03:26 PM
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Football Hunter,
What ever you do don't give up...I know how hard it is to keep them interested. I had 2 girls and as soon as they found boys hunting was over, but now they like to go with me every once in a while and I'm thankful for that...
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#1994335 - 07/14/10 05:19 PM
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One thing I noticed at the QDMA show was a lot of the young men where Amish.
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#1994396 - 07/14/10 06:27 PM
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Wes Parrish
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Does anyone think that the subject of deer hunting would be where its at now if it wasn't for these shows?
I truly believe that the industry has helped in a lot of ways to promote hunting. Yes it is blown out of proportion and education is the key. But for me it would not be where it is if it wasn't for some of the shows...
You do raise a good question.
I don't know the answer.
Most of the shows for which have been most widely attended have involved deer hunting, and to a lesser extent turkey hunting, over the past many years.
Another question I'd have to raise . . . . . . .
Without all the promotion for deer hunting, might we be seeing more participation in small-game hunting by young hunters?
IMO, young (or new) hunters who get hooked on small-game hunting prior to deer hunting are more likely to become lifetime hunters.
Unlike so many "deer" shows, the QDMA has been about so much more than just deer hunting, bringing to deer hunters, young and old, a better understanding, appreciation, and connection to the land, the habitat, and wildlife in general. They have been a "stand-out" organization, and I'd like to see them focusing more on those original themes.
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#1994474 - 07/14/10 07:28 PM
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I'm not really tracking the argument here. Is the suggestion that kids at the expo were there because they watch hunting shows? If so, what is the evidence of that? If not, how are hunting shows even relevant to their precense at the expo?
I hunted and went to expos as a youth, but never watched shows.
And if the values imparted by hunting tv shows are adverse, which I think largely they are, then what kind of hunters will they bring to the fold...those with false notions of what true hunting is about?
The one excellent show is the one that's been around the longest...Kentucky Afield. That's an awesome show and I wish it were available nationwide. Teaches good values, shows the real deal and puts sportmen in a good light.
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#1994553 - 07/14/10 08:19 PM
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One thing I noticed at the QDMA show was a lot of the young men where Amish. I'd bet a lot of the young men there were Baptist, too.  Don't know if that's anything more than happenstance, but I do have some Mennonite friends with a large farming operation who have really embraced QDM on their Tennessee operations. And does seem all types of hunting are a part of life with many of the Mennonite and Amish heritage. I can see their "connection" to the land being a good fit with much of the original QDM ideology.
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#1994700 - 07/14/10 09:27 PM
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FH, when you talk with Ezra and Kaleb you will see some Amish boys who kill BIG deer. They kill the snot out of does but they pass little bucks.
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#1994724 - 07/14/10 09:39 PM
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The hunting shows anymore seem to have turned into pour something out and the deer will come. Little if any real know how about deer behavior and more about the easiest way to have success. Michael Wadell has stooped to a new low, even for him, with his hunting of Cmere deer. What a total POS he is, and has little if anything to offer the hunting community. He is just one example out of the majority who are going this direction.
As far as the QDMA and the kids, far too many folks feel that QDM itself turns kids off. That is not the case when children are properly educated and raised.
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#1994996 - 07/15/10 07:05 AM
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One thing I noticed at the QDMA show was a lot of the young men where Amish.
Interestingly, you will find a strong contingent of Amish at all the QDMA events. They are big bow hunters.
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#1995010 - 07/15/10 07:19 AM
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Does anyone think that the subject of deer hunting would be where its at now if it wasn't for these shows?
The questions are, where is hunting now and is that a good thing?
Now aspects of the hunting industry certainly exist that have been great for hunting in general. Many products created by the interest in hunting have made hunting more enjoyable. Innovations in warm, stay-dry clothing have been great for hunting, as have advancements in weapon technology. The increased interest in deer management has also been a very good thing.
But the current "monster buck crazy"--fueled primarily by hunting shows--is a very bad thing. This has created a system where the the value of a deer is based solely on its antler score. That's a very bad thing for hunting.
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#1995033 - 07/15/10 07:45 AM
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Does anyone think that the subject of deer hunting would be where its at now if it wasn't for these shows?
The questions are, where is hunting now and is that a good thing? Now aspects of the hunting industry certainly exist that have been great for hunting in general. Many products created by the interest in hunting have made hunting more enjoyable. Innovations in warm, stay-dry clothing have been great for hunting, as have advancements in weapon technology. The increased interest in deer management has also been a very good thing. But the current "monster buck crazy"--fueled primarily by hunting shows--is a very bad thing. This has created a system where the the value of a deer is based solely on its antler score. That's a very bad thing for hunting.
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