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#1988530 - 07/10/10 03:06 PM Broad head question
Bone Collector
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I have a question about two specific broad heads. I know there is an archery forum, but I know more people look at this one and i want deer hunter's opinions from experiences in the field.

Would you recommend the Rage 2 blade, Swacker, or the Trophy Ridge Rocket 2 blade? Is any one better than the next and why?

Basically just want answers to those questions and likes and dislikes about them. I know they leave big wound channels, so I guess any other info will help.

thanks in advance
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#1988539 - 07/10/10 03:16 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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well you're going to get a lot of opinions on this. Personaly the Rage is the best all around broadhead i have ever shot. they fly great like most expandables do but the way they open from behind unlike all other expandables makes the entry hole nothing less than impressive. Basicall they will all get the job done if you put it where it is suppose to go. I recommend you shoot the broadhead you can group the best.
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#1988555 - 07/10/10 03:37 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: birddog]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: birddog
I recommend you shoot the broadhead you can group the best.

And if that's a fixed blade one, all the better. \:\)

I'm sure we'll still be having differing opinions over fixed vs. mechanical, and x vs. y years from now, but main thing IMO is to shoot whatever has the best overall balance of accuracy, killing ability, and reliability for you. Might also add "affordability" to that equation.

I've yet to see any mechanicals that didn't increase your risk of malfunction over a fixed blade. Not downplaying some of the benefits some can get from mechanicals, but with them does come increased risks that didn't exist with fixed blades.

Despite all the "rage" about certain mechanicals, you will find a surprising number of hunters who have seen a single bad experience negate most those benefits.

Here's over 190 customer reviews on the popular Rage 2-blade head. Note that many love them, and many hate them.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=417471

Customer feedback on the Swacker:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=419062

I'm neither recommending nor trashing any of these,
just pointing out what others have to say.
Seems the fixed blades get more consistent favorable ratings,
such as these regarding the "Slick Tricks" fixed:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=418144

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#1988559 - 07/10/10 03:46 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I like the rocket 3 blade heads.Have shot a lot of deer with them and they are pretty good heads.never tried the 2 blade rockets.I tried rage last year and hated them.The blades and tip bent way to much compared to all other broadheads I have tried.way over priced IMO.
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#1988701 - 07/10/10 06:47 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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I seem to change every year,I think where you hit is most important nowadays
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#1988795 - 07/10/10 08:18 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: birddog
I recommend you shoot the broadhead you can group the best.

And if that's a fixed blade one, all the better. \:\)

I'm sure we'll still be having differing opinions over fixed vs. mechanical, and x vs. y years from now, but main thing IMO is to shoot whatever has the best overall balance of accuracy, killing ability, and reliability for you. Might also add "affordability" to that equation.

I've yet to see any mechanicals that didn't increase your risk of malfunction over a fixed blade. Not downplaying some of the benefits some can get from mechanicals, but with them does come increased risks that didn't exist with fixed blades.

Despite all the "rage" about certain mechanicals, you will find a surprising number of hunters who have seen a single bad experience negate most those benefits.

Here's over 190 customer reviews on the popular Rage 2-blade head. Note that many love them, and many hate them.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=417471

Customer feedback on the Swacker:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=419062

I'm neither recommending nor trashing any of these,
just pointing out what others have to say.
Seems the fixed blades get more consistent favorable ratings,
such as these regarding the "Slick Tricks" fixed:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=418144


Thanks for the reviews. I would say about 75% liked the rage and it said 73% of the peole would recommend them, but i noticed a trend with poor penetration.

There were not enough reviews for the swacker.

I checked out some other reviews and was surprised to see that the thunder heads i have always shot got an average rating of 4.7 stars out of 5. Maybe i should just stay with what i've always shot. they have never failed me unless i made a bad shot.

Why is it though that G5's, Muzzy, slick tricks, and others are so much more expensive than the thunder heads?
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#1988813 - 07/10/10 08:27 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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This is a common question you hear a lot. But a very good question...

IMO...you can use what ever you like and have the confidant's in. To me no matter what you use SHOT PLACEMENT and BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE SHOT is more important than broad heads. I have tried them all and to be honest I still go back to Muzzy 100 grain 3 bladed. Know what your max is and stay within it. Good luck...
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#1988831 - 07/10/10 08:38 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Double-D-Team]
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 Originally Posted By: Double-D-Team
I have tried them all and to be honest I still go back to Muzzy 100 grain 3 bladed.

Hard to go wrong with that.
I've used the 100 gr 3-blade Muzzy for years.
You don't ever have to worry about malfunction or poor penetration.

However, I've more recently been using some very similar heads that have a little better tip --- otherwise, they're almost identical to the Muzzys. Can't think of their name at the moment, but they're essentially Muzzys with a better point.

The only mechanical that I've had enough faith in to actually use hunting has been the Spitfire, the version with the cut-on-impact blade point. The Spitfires seem to be pretty tough and extremely reliable, but no where near as durable nor as good a lasting value as the Muzzys.

I couldn't find the exact version of Spitfire at Cabela's online,
but these are essentially them. They've been around a long time. Check their feedback ratings.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...true&hasJS=true

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#1989107 - 07/11/10 01:12 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Muzzy 100gr 3 blade. Killed my first deer with them and unless they stop making them, they will be the only broadhead I use.
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#1989162 - 07/11/10 06:57 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: khawk]
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Great question, and some good answers.

I guess it depends on a few things.

Is money an object? Do you get the opportunity to hunt a whole bunch and plan on killing MULTIPLE deer?

Do you mind spending 12 or so dollars per shot (unless you replace blades) on hits and misses?

If not, then w/o doubt...shoot the WIDEST, SHARPEST, MOST ACCURATE broadhead you can afford. Probably a Rage.

I think they are GREAT heads! But WAY too expensive for me in an average season. (5 shots will cost you about 60.00...10 shots about 120.00...unless you replace blades and don't hit rocks, which I often do)

Whatever you do, make sure they are SHARP!!!

I have used/seen them ALL on multiple kills for multiple years and am WELL pleased with my Magnus Stinger 4 blade heads.

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#1989168 - 07/11/10 07:11 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: 102]
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four blade 90 grain muzzy for me....been using them for years.....

I had some trouble out og them many years ago but got that worked out.

What was happening was the tips would come unscrewed while still in the quiver and i still believe to this day that it costed me my best deer ever.....I guess that the vibration from the wheeler would get the tips loose and they would just unscrew themselves somehow. I should have always checked them before using them, but I never thought about it until I had two tips come off in the quiver...I began putting a touch of glue on the inside of the tips.

I really like their performance. Complete pass thru most every time.....

never shot an expandable.......


Edited by Bottom Hunter (07/11/10 07:11 AM)
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#1989285 - 07/11/10 10:49 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I just do not like a Mechanical broadhead,to much can go wrong,Murphys law raises its head enough when you are bowhunting.This is just my opinion,But every time I see a young hunter showing off his quiver of Mechanical Broadheads,I cringe
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#1989291 - 07/11/10 10:57 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Good time Charlie]
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 Originally Posted By: Darton man
I just do not like a Mechanical broadhead,to much can go wrong,Murphys law raises its head enough when you are bowhunting.This is just my opinion,But every time I see a young hunter showing off his quiver of Mechanical Broadheads,I cringe


What can really go wrong?Its a pretty simple design.The blades are pushed backwards.I think people worry to much. \:\)

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#1989297 - 07/11/10 11:21 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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I hated mechanical broadheads and used muzzy for years. Two years ago a buddy switched to rage and i was seeing what they were doing to the deer he shot. I tried some last year and ain my 25 years bowhunting i have never seen anything perform like them. I am a converted rage fan.
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#1989299 - 07/11/10 11:27 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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 Originally Posted By: RAFI
What can really go wrong?Its a pretty simple design.The blades are pushed backwards.I think people worry to much. \:\)

Having been an avid bowhunter for over 20 years, and never having a "Murphy's Law" issue with the Muzzys I had used for most of that time, I decided to give a very popular mechanical a try. I test shot them, and was impressed in getting a little tighter group than with my Muzzys. Adjusted my sights a tad, loaded my quiver with them, then was eager to drop a fat doe on the Archery Opener.

It was one of the best opening days (weather wise) I'd experienced. Right before legal shooting time, I nocked an arrow, and waited diligently on the breaking dawn. It was getting light, and I heard deer walking towards me.

I removed my bow from its holder, and got in position to face the approaching deer. That's when I noticed something hanging from the broadhead. One of the retracted blades was simply hanging down! I quickly put that arrow back in the quiver, and replaced it with another. But worse, two of those blades were sticking out! Something was bad wrong with all my broadheads!

Upon closer examination, I discovered the tiny screws holding the blades had come loose on most of my mechanical heads. I think this happened from nothing more than my bow being vibrated by riding in the truck. The blades were still being held by the rubber band, but were otherwise totally loose. I then discovered that five of my seven arrows had one or more blades missing (or unscrewed).
And here I sat, high in a tree stand, on one of the most promising archery openers ever.

Not to mention, all those deer got by me before I could find an arrow that looked shootable.

I left the stand at 8am that morning, vowing to never try another mechanical head. Went back to my Muzzys. That was about 10 years ago.

This past year, upon the advise of some very accomplished bowhunters who had been longterm happy with the Spitfire mechanicals, I gave them a try. Had no problems with the Spitfires, but I'll refrain from recommending any mechanical to anyone.

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#1989325 - 07/11/10 12:10 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: RAFI
What can really go wrong?Its a pretty simple design.The blades are pushed backwards.I think people worry to much. \:\)

Having been an avid bowhunter for over 20 years, and never having a "Murphy's Law" issue with the Muzzys I had used for most of that time, I decided to give a very popular mechanical a try. I test shot them, and was impressed in getting a little tighter group than with my Muzzys. Adjusted my sights a tad, loaded my quiver with them, then was eager to drop a fat doe on the Archery Opener.

It was one of the best opening days (weather wise) I'd experienced. Right before legal shooting time, I nocked an arrow, and waited diligently on the breaking dawn. It was getting light, and I heard deer walking towards me.

I removed my bow from its holder, and got in position to face the approaching deer. That's when I noticed something hanging from the broadhead. One of the retracted blades was simply hanging down! I quickly put that arrow back in the quiver, and replaced it with another. But worse, two of those blades were sticking out! Something was bad wrong with all my broadheads!

Upon closer examination, I discovered the tiny screws holding the blades had come loose on most of my mechanical heads. I think this happened from nothing more than my bow being vibrated by riding in the truck. The blades were still being held by the rubber band, but were otherwise totally loose. I then discovered that five of my seven arrows had one or more blades missing (or unscrewed).
And here I sat, high in a tree stand, on one of the most promising archery openers ever.

Not to mention, all those deer got by me before I could find an arrow that looked shootable.

I left the stand at 8am that morning, vowing to never try another mechanical head. Went back to my Muzzys. That was about 10 years ago.

This past year, upon the advise of some very accomplished bowhunters who had been longterm happy with the Spitfire mechanicals, I gave them a try. Had no problems with the Spitfires, but I'll refrain from recommending any mechanical to anyone.


So all your anti mech has been based on that one time?Hell I've had blades fall out of fixed blade heads but didn't stop using them.None of them are fool proof.

I shot muzzy for a long time and have shot rockets for a long time.The rockets have put deer down faster and lead to better blood trail with the 1 3/4" cut.

I hate hearing people say they lost a deer with a mech and then say they hit it in the shoulder.They seem to think if they were shooting a fixed blade they would have got the deer.I;ve seen a lot of deer shot in the shoulder with fixed blade that were never found.
Bottom line is both styles of broadheads work if you make a good shot.Neither work very well if you make a bad shot.

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#1989400 - 07/11/10 01:55 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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I have shot Thunderheads for many years ,even through the muzzy craze.To me the best thing out there. They are tough and easy to tune.Bone Crushers is what I callem \:D
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#1989412 - 07/11/10 02:16 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Good time Charlie]
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 Originally Posted By: Darton man
I have shot Thunderheads for many years ,even through the muzzy craze.To me the best thing out there. They are tough and easy to tune.Bone Crushers is what I callem \:D
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#1989432 - 07/11/10 02:47 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Rowdy]
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Different styles of broadheads have different advantages & disadvantages.

Fixed blades are less apt to give you an unexpected problem.
Fixed blades will generally penetrate better, and break bone better.

We all try to make the best shots possible.
But sometimes we're a little off, no matter what kind of broadhead we're using. Maybe the fixed blade is more likely to bust thru both shoulders; maybe the mechanical is more likely to drop the deer with a gut shot.

Shoot what works best for you, but don't assume more expensive is better, or that mechanicals are without disadvantage over fixed.

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#1989441 - 07/11/10 02:56 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Rowdy]
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Thunderheads are great broadheads but a little "flimsy" IMO.
Muzzys are a little more expensive but are tougher made.

ex 1. First bow season I got a little bored one day. Had an armadillo making a ruckus all morning and decided to let him have it. WHACK> killed the dillo' but mangled my thunderhead. Bent the point and all the blades. Had to trash the head.

ex 2. Shot a muzzy at a deer and missed, hit the dirt behind it and got about 8" of penetration. Had to dig the arrow out of the ground. A rock stopped the arrow and my muzzy head was fine, just had a ding in the edge of the blade. Resharpened it when I got home and have killed a couple deer with it since. Still in balance and still flies and spin checks ok.

I take the time to tune my bow each year so the field point vs. broadhead issue doesn't bother me.

The chance that a mechanical head "could" deploy incorrectly is not another variable I want to worry about. YES they have gotten much better, but I still hear a LOT of stories each year about how a mechanical BH failed. Bow hunting is tough enough without loosing sleep wondering if my gear might fail.

IF I shot a deer and couldn't recover it, I don't want to wonder if it was my shot, or my mechanical BH that was the point of failure.
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#1989468 - 07/11/10 03:21 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
Thunderheads are great broadheads but a little "flimsy" IMO.
Muzzys are a little more expensive but are tougher made.

ex 1. First bow season I got a little bored one day. Had an armadillo making a ruckus all morning and decided to let him have it. WHACK> killed the dillo' but mangled my thunderhead. Bent the point and all the blades. Had to trash the head.

ex 2. Shot a muzzy at a deer and missed, hit the dirt behind it and got about 8" of penetration. Had to dig the arrow out of the ground. A rock stopped the arrow and my muzzy head was fine, just had a ding in the edge of the blade. Resharpened it when I got home and have killed a couple deer with it since. Still in balance and still flies and spin checks ok.

I take the time to tune my bow each year so the field point vs. broadhead issue doesn't bother me.

The chance that a mechanical head "could" deploy incorrectly is not another variable I want to worry about. YES they have gotten much better, but I still hear a LOT of stories each year about how a mechanical BH failed. Bow hunting is tough enough without loosing sleep wondering if my gear might fail.

IF I shot a deer and couldn't recover it, I don't want to wonder if it was my shot, or my mechanical BH that was the point of failure.
I looked and muzzys are 36.00 for 6 and the same grain TH. is 39.00 for 6.I think they are very comparable In toughness.I hear that all the time muzzy's cost more than TH. just not so.
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#1989506 - 07/11/10 03:52 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Different styles of broadheads have different advantages & disadvantages.

Fixed blades are less apt to give you an unexpected problem.
Fixed blades will generally penetrate better, and break bone better.

We all try to make the best shots possible.
But sometimes we're a little off, no matter what kind of broadhead we're using. Maybe the fixed blade is more likely to bust thru both shoulders; maybe the mechanical is more likely to drop the deer with a gut shot.

Shoot what works best for you, but don't assume more expensive is better, or that mechanicals are without disadvantage over fixed.



Or that fixed are without disadvantage over mech. \:D fixed have there own problems that mech don't.So both have good and bad.

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#1989544 - 07/11/10 04:41 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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DM,
Im going to disagree on the toughness issue unless they changed them in the past 10 yrs.

I like that thunderheads seem much sharper and have a very pointed tip. Seems like the tip will penetrate easier so you will have less likelyhood of a "skimmer" shot or deflection on steep angled shots. That tip WILL bend if it hits something hard like a rock or armadillo !

Muzzys don't seem quite as sleek as thunderheads but they are beefier in design and don't bend as easily. The points seem more "blunt" to me so I cheat and use a diamond file to sharpen the tips to a razor edge(s).
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#1989561 - 07/11/10 04:52 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
DM,
That tip WILL bend if it hits something hard like a rock or armadillo !



In that case does it really matter?....

just don't be shootin at rocks or armadillos is all I can say!...

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#1989573 - 07/11/10 05:12 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: tndrbstr]
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I used to shoot thunderheads(100 grain), had excellent perfermance from them. Now I shoot Muzzy 100 grain 4 blade. The only thing that made me switch to Muzzy was that the thunderheads weren't readily available. I had to order re-placement blades and new broadheads, no-one carried them in stock near where I live. Muzzys on the other hand are easier to find. I have shot mechanicals (Rockets), shot great but had very bad performance out of them on deer. Some other people I know hunt with them love them. One of my hunting buddies shoot rage and won't shoot anything else. I keep my set-up very simple,fewer moving parts the better, JMO, rests, sights, everything.

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#1989611 - 07/11/10 05:37 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: harvester]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: harvester
I keep my set-up very simple, fewer moving parts the better, JMO, rests, sights, everything.

And that's the best defense against "Murphy's Law".
With less to "think" about, I seem to enjoy the hunting more.

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#1989776 - 07/11/10 08:05 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I am also color blind with the color red being very hard to see in the woods, so tracking deer for me is not easy. I really enjoy tracking them with a rage.
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#1990451 - 07/12/10 09:15 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: muddyboots]
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Some good advice given, and I will agree that the, Sharpest, widest cutting diameter, tuffest, and most impottantly ACCURATE, fixed blade head with nothing to chance in mechanics, is the best choice, IMO!
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#1990463 - 07/12/10 09:25 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Winchester]
Wes Parrish
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Personally, I'll never again try any mechanical that uses a "rubber band" (like so many do) to hold the blades in place. That rubber band either breaks or slides, and that mechanical headed arrow will fly every which way but straight.

I may continue experimenting with some mechanicals, but I don't care how much the "rage" about them, none with a rubber band are tipping my arrows.

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#1990469 - 07/12/10 09:29 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: harvester]
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Rage 2 blade!!! Because i have killed around 10 deer with them and they are by far the most devastating and destructive broadheads on the market!I have killed deer with many different broadheads and these are definitely the best!
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#1990472 - 07/12/10 09:33 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: W.Seay]
Wes Parrish
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Absolutely no question in my mind that if you make a good hit with the RAGE, and everything goes as expected, there will be a bigger wound hole than with most fixed blade heads.

But if you make a good hit, really won't matter much which head you are shooting, unless of course, you were to have some "mechanical" failure. ;\)

Seems several people have absolutely loved the RAGE heads until they experienced their first problem with them.

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#1990496 - 07/12/10 09:44 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Absolutely no question in my mind that if you make a good hit with the RAGE, and everything goes as expected, there will be a bigger wound hole than with most fixed blade heads.

But if you make a good hit, really won't matter much which head you are shooting, unless of course, you were to have some "mechanical" failure. ;\)

Seems several people have absolutely loved the RAGE heads until they experienced their first problem with them.

Exactly right Wes, I have no doubt they are a good head, but far from foolproof. I was involved with 3 tracking jobs in a single season where the "RAGE" wasnt so much, as 2 of these deer were lost and the 3'rd went about 3/4 mile. Angling shots seem to present the big problems for the mechanicals. And I like nothing better than an angling away deer, with a good fixed head you can literally clean them out with this shot! Shot placement is key with any head, but I simply dont see the need in adding a chance for failure when it simply isnt necessary. If your bow and arrows are tuned correctly, you can shoot many of the good fixed head blades available on the market with great accuracy and no chance of a failure due to mechanical parts not working. Its a no brainer for me!

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#1990729 - 07/12/10 12:12 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Double-D-Team]
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I personaly have never shot the schwacker but i am a big fan of RAGE and the rocket aeroheads are good too but i like the RAGE
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#1991193 - 07/12/10 05:35 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Tracker]
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i shot the spitfires for years without much trouble at all and they are tough, i killed several deer with the same head. i did notice that after i shot some of the heads several times that they started to open up during flight instead of on impact which was making them lose accuracy. this only happened a few times but it was enough that i wanted to go back to fixed blades, i didn't want it to happen in the field.

i use to shoot thunderheads but they never hit anything like my field points and they were a pain to get tuned in, for me anyways

after trying a bunch of different ones out i am going with the G5's. they shoot right with my field points and the groups are tight.

my buddy loves muzzy and they shoot great for him but they didn't do as well out of my bow

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#1991409 - 07/12/10 08:35 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: W.Seay]
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 Originally Posted By: W.Seay
Rage 2 blade!!! Because i have killed around 10 deer with them and they are by far the most devastating and destructive broadheads on the market!I have killed deer with many different broadheads and these are definitely the best!


You are exactly right. but you will never convince some people of this for whatever reason. the is NO broadhead on the market that can do to a deer what a rage can do.

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#1991421 - 07/12/10 08:43 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: birddog]
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I believe that no other head on the market can do what the Rage can do and that is why I started this thread, because i wanted some feed back so i could decide if i wanted to start shooting them. I still have not made my mind up and i probably won't until i go to buy them.

I will say that i have heard a lot of good and bad. the biggest thing holding me back is there is enough bad that i don't know if it justifies spending $39.99 + tax for something that I may get extremely angry about if I have a malfunction.

I will say that i am still intrigued about the massive devastation that they do and would love to see it first hand this season.
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#1991452 - 07/12/10 08:52 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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check ebay. you can get them for a little better deal. trust me, they are worth it if you can afford it. i killed 4 deer last year with them, one of which weighed 170 lbs and i watched them all fall dead from me stand. i saw my friend kill a 700 lb elk with one that apsolutly tore its insides out. Can other broad heads do the same? yes but not one that flies as good and no matter what anyone says NO other machnical is as effective. You just have to decide if the cost is worth it. there are cheap broadheads that will get the job done.
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#1991459 - 07/12/10 08:56 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: birddog]
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 Originally Posted By: birddog
 Originally Posted By: W.Seay
Rage 2 blade!!! Because i have killed around 10 deer with them and they are by far the most devastating and destructive broadheads on the market!I have killed deer with many different broadheads and these are definitely the best!


You are exactly right. but you will never convince some people of this for whatever reason. the is NO broadhead on the market that can do to a deer what a rage can do.


what,...kill it?...






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#1991464 - 07/12/10 08:59 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
I believe that no other head on the market can do what the Rage can do and that is why I started this thread, because i wanted some feed back so i could decide if i wanted to start shooting them.


that doesn't make any sence ,....you already decide to start shooting them before you ever started this thread....but thats alright too,...have at it... \:\)










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#1991504 - 07/12/10 09:11 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
I believe that no other head on the market can do what the Rage can do and that is why I started this thread, because i wanted some feed back so i could decide if i wanted to start shooting them.


that doesn't make any sence ,....you already decide to start shooting them before you ever started this thread....but thats alright too,...have at it... \:\)


No it says i started this thread to get feed back so i could decide IF I wanted to start shooting them. I'm still trying to decide if they are worth the money. Have heard a lot of good, but now i have heard a lot of bad with the good.
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#1991513 - 07/12/10 09:15 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
I believe that no other head on the market can do what the Rage can do and that is why I started this thread, because i wanted some feed back so i could decide if i wanted to start shooting them.


that doesn't make any sence ,....you already decide to start shooting them before you ever started this thread....but thats alright too,...have at it... \:\)


No it says i started this thread to get feed back so i could decide IF I wanted to start shooting them. I'm still trying to decide if they are worth the money. Have heard a lot of good, but now i have heard a lot of bad with the good.










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#1991531 - 07/12/10 09:21 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: birddog]
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No doubt, the RAGE is one of the better mechanicals.

 Originally Posted By: birddog
. . . . . . is NO broadhead on the market that can do to a deer what a rage can do.


If we were talkin' rifle calibers, we'd also get lots of opinions & preferences, and someone might say,
. . . . . . . is NO bullet on the market that can do to a deer what a .460 Weatherby Magnum can do!

May be true, but dead is dead, big hole or bigger hole.

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#1992166 - 07/13/10 08:56 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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#1992200 - 07/13/10 09:13 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: harvester]
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Bone Collector I hope you have found some good in all this,as you can see everyone has their own opinion,To each his or her own. Just need to find something you like and feel confident in,they all work and kill deer.

I started when all we had was wasp and sattelite,You would shoot a satelite and the blades would fly out.I started out with a bear Recurve,went to a bear whitetail Hunter,Talk about coming a long way.GOOD LUCK
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#1992311 - 07/13/10 10:00 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Good time Charlie]
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I shot muzzys for 5 years. Never had much problem with them, but the last year I did loose a deer on a marginal hit. I started to look at rages because I honestly believe I would have recovered that deer. Truth is I need to shoot better, but I missed the kill zone by a very small amount. Went to rages this past year as well as turning a buddy onto them. 8 deer with a bow, all pass throughs all went less than 70 yards. Id experienced the same with the muzzys but the blood trails were far suprior with the rage.

They do fly like fieldtips, there is a littel reduction in penetration I believe, but still pass throughs, and killed deer in both quartering directions. I will be shooting them agian this year.

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#1992732 - 07/13/10 02:15 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: BowGuy84]
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I appreciate everyone's feedback. I have been waffling and I swear i saw on here something about the Rage 2 blade deploying in the quiver or the o-ring busting on them, but i looked at them today and noticed that the 2 blade does not have an o-ring. I did see how they might could deploy in the quiver and i do not know how easy it will be to reset them, but if it is easy, I would think you could just reset it and knock it up.

Another issue i have is you get one practice tip per 3 pack. is there anyway to just uy the practice tips? so you can shoot them and not have to go to the target after every shot or two?
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#1992795 - 07/13/10 03:17 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
I appreciate everyone's feedback. I have been waffling and I swear i saw on here something about the Rage 2 blade deploying in the quiver or the o-ring busting on them, but i looked at them today and noticed that the 2 blade does not have an o-ring. I did see how they might could deploy in the quiver and i do not know how easy it will be to reset them, but if it is easy, I would think you could just reset it and knock it up.

Another issue i have is you get one practice tip per 3 pack. is there anyway to just uy the practice tips? so you can shoot them and not have to go to the target after every shot or two?



They are pretty bad to open in the quiver and also while stalking with one.Thats one thing I didn't like about them.You need to keep checking them to make sure they have not opened up.The o rings have been bad to dry rot and not keep the blades closed also from what I hear.

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#1992842 - 07/13/10 03:49 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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 Originally Posted By: RAFI
 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
I appreciate everyone's feedback. I have been waffling and I swear i saw on here something about the Rage 2 blade deploying in the quiver or the o-ring busting on them, but i looked at them today and noticed that the 2 blade does not have an o-ring. I did see how they might could deploy in the quiver and i do not know how easy it will be to reset them, but if it is easy, I would think you could just reset it and knock it up.

Another issue i have is you get one practice tip per 3 pack. is there anyway to just uy the practice tips? so you can shoot them and not have to go to the target after every shot or two?



They are pretty bad to open in the quiver and also while stalking with one.Thats one thing I didn't like about them.You need to keep checking them to make sure they have not opened up.The o rings have been bad to dry rot and not keep the blades closed also from what I hear.


But I didn't see any O-rings on the 2 blade and the other mechanicals had them on the broad head already or they were visible in the package.

Do you mean to tell me that if i am in a trees tand and i pull one out of the quiver, reset it, knock it and sit there that by simple subtle movements (I hold my bow, I don't hang it up) that they could open again and i will need to ensure before I shoot that the blades are closed?


Edited by Bone Collector (07/13/10 03:51 PM)
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#1992890 - 07/13/10 04:13 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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Same story here with Rage, you always have to keep an eye on them. Blades opening in the quiver, o-rings breaking. For me, and I've bow hunted for 35 years, its a 100 grain three blade muzzy. My close second is slicktricks. As stated before, shot placement is the most important thing in my opinion. Mechanicals may be o.k., but there are many fixed heads on the market that will fly as well if not better in a tuned bow, and for much less cost.
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#1992894 - 07/13/10 04:14 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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If you get them locked in the o ring good and don't hit them they should be fine.Some people dont get them locked in good and thats part of the problem.I always checked mine by tapping them to make sure they were in good.Got tired of messing with them so i switched back to my rockets that are better made anyway

Edited by RAFI (07/13/10 04:16 PM)

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#1993063 - 07/13/10 07:07 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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Yeah but again I did not see any O-rings on the Rage two blades. Are you saying there are?
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#1993074 - 07/13/10 07:16 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: RAFI]
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True, but the rubber o rings dont last long at all. Bone collector, the o rings we are talking about are on the ferrell, as you put the blades in the closed position the dull end is popped into place, and the edge of the o ring holds it closed. kinda hard to explain.
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#1993700 - 07/14/10 08:55 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: 102]
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MUZZY 100 grain 3 blade killed three deer last year with same arrow and broadhead just had to sharpen the blades a little
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#1993727 - 07/14/10 09:15 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: trumtrum]
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This thread alone should make the decision easy. If there is a 1% chance for something you already know could fail, why in the world would you purposely add that margin for error in the equation. For best results, accuracy and kinetic energy, penetration, your bow and arrows need to be tuned properly to achieve all these to the max. And if both are tuned, you can shoot most any good fixed blade head, that leaves no ? as to failure!! I dont know why people even consider using something with known possibilities for failure? I do know that mechanicals will cover up tuning problems with your bow and arrows, maybe thats why mechanicals exist?
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#1993770 - 07/14/10 09:58 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I do know that mechanicals will cover up tuning problems with your bow and arrows, maybe thats why mechanicals exist?

My opinion, that is the main reason mechanicals became so popular. Most hunters would pick up some mechanicals and typically their bows will shoot at least a little tighter group with them than with the fixed blades they had been using.

Most hunters have not learned how to fine tune their bows, thus their arrows are not leaving the bow perfectly straight. This isn't noticed with field points. But with fixed-blade broadheads, those blades act somewhat like a "sail" on a sailboat, catching wind, throwing the arrow off if it's not leaving perfectly straight. This is much of the reason why most find their fixed-blade broadheads group in a different place than their field points.

This "wind" catching is greatly reduced with mechanicals, but the downside is you're not getting the full benefit of the poundage you're pulling, i.e. less penetration.

I'm not saying all mechanicals are bad, nor all fixed blades are good. Just saying there are advantages and disadvantages with each style, as well as each particular make.

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#1994461 - 07/14/10 07:19 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Winchester]
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[quote=Winchester]This thread alone should make the decision easy. If there is a 1% chance for something you already know could fail, why in the world would you purposely add that margin for error in the equation. For best results, accuracy and kinetic energy, penetration, your bow and arrows need to be tuned properly to achieve all these to the max. And if both are tuned, you can shoot most any good fixed blade head, that leaves no ? as to failure!! I dont know why people even consider using something with known possibilities for failure? I do know that mechanicals will cover up tuning problems with your bow and arrows, maybe thats why mechanicals exist? [/quote


Guess you shoot without sights and off the shelf too? how about a long bow to keep it simple?


Edited by RAFI (07/14/10 07:20 PM)

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#1994492 - 07/14/10 07:39 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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#1994600 - 07/14/10 08:48 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Team Browning]
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Thanks for the many many many responses. The almighty dollar has made the choice for me this season. I realized i need another pair of boots for next season and with all the other stuff i need I cannot afford to spend the money on the Rage heads, so i will stay with the 100 gr T Heads this season and go into next season knowing I have plenty of info if i think about switching again.
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#1994671 - 07/14/10 09:13 PM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bone Collector]
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#1995222 - 07/15/10 10:45 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: 102]
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I shoot the rage 2 blade i love them they group as well as my field points they are a great all arround broad head yes they are a little pricy but are deffenently worth every penny. IMO
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#1995293 - 07/15/10 11:56 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: rem.30-06]
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 Originally Posted By: rem.30-06
I shoot the rage 2 blade i love them they group as well as my field points they are a great all arround broad head yes they are a little pricy but are deffenently worth every penny. IMO


well, you are entitled to your opinion.
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#1995905 - 07/16/10 05:23 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: stik]
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Everyone seems to have their own opinion and that's a good thing. Nothing beats an accurate shot, no matter what broadhead that you use. If you place it where it needs to go, then you will bring that deer home......

It seems like that as time goes on, hunters need better equipment and far more "killing" power than before.

why is that!?
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#1996060 - 07/16/10 08:23 AM Re: Broad head question [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Everyone seems to have their own opinion and that's a good thing. Nothing beats an accurate shot, no matter what broadhead that you use. If you place it where it needs to go, then you will bring that deer home......

It seems like that as time goes on, hunters need better equipment and far more "killing" power than before.

why is that!?


I think we owe it to the deer. If there are broadheads that will make marginal shots lethal and accurate shots more lethal than more power to them.

I do hate that every "celebrity" is pushing them. I have never used one, but I do like the idea of a more humane kill.

To be honest, a field tip will kill a deer if it's placed well. Just like a .22 will kill a deer if placed right. But how many of us can consistantly hit animals in the kill zone? Those that can shouldn't need anything over a 1" cutting diameter. Those that can't or can't consistantly need a bigger cutting diameter.

Look at it like rifle calibers. These of course aren't exact but you get the idea:

1-1/4" (most fixed blade) cutting diameter = 30/30, .243

1 1/2" = .270. .280

2" = .300

Both types will kill deer. Shoot what you are comfortable with and are, most importantly, the most lethal with.


Edited by String Music (07/16/10 08:27 AM)
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