#1988116 - 07/09/10 10:36 PM
Can you bait bears during bear season?
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I was recently talking to a friend about me bear hunting this bear season and he thinks its illegal to bait bears in tennessee but it seems a little crazy not to be able too and just going off blind luck to find them
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#1988121 - 07/09/10 10:38 PM
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#1988123 - 07/09/10 10:40 PM
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I was recently talking to a friend about me bear hunting this bear season and he thinks its illegal to bait bears in tennessee but it seems a little crazy not to be able too and just going off blind luck to find them You are not from around here are you?
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#1988124 - 07/09/10 10:42 PM
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yes im from around here just new to hunting and i am wanting to cover myself so i dont get into legal trouble...so how does one approach hunting black bears in tennessee with a bow/rifle
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#1988134 - 07/09/10 10:52 PM
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I was recently talking to a friend about me bear hunting this bear season and he thinks its illegal to bait bears in tennessee but it seems a little crazy not to be able too and just going off blind luck to find them
NO you can not bait them,...and you can not even feed them during the off season..... and blind luck ain't got jack to with finding them or hunting them successfuly...neither does baiting.....they are not that difficult of an animal to pattern...certainly no harder than a deer and alot easier to pattern than hogs are...imo
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#1988144 - 07/09/10 10:58 PM
Re: Can you bait bears during bear season?
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yes im from around here just new to hunting and i am wanting to cover myself so i dont get into legal trouble...so how does one approach hunting black bears in tennessee with a bow/rifle
I'd suggest you get a hunting guide and read it....two or three times...
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#1988171 - 07/09/10 11:35 PM
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To answer your question and not belittle someone for asking a questions.... people hunt bears a lot of ways.
A lot of people in East Tennessee use dogs, some people just do some scouting and pick a spot with a view, and some spot and stalk.
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#1988182 - 07/09/10 11:59 PM
Re: Can you bait bears during bear season?
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To answer your question and not belittle someone for asking a questions.... people hunt bears a lot of ways.
A lot of people in East Tennessee use dogs, some people just do some scouting and pick a spot with a view, and some spot and stalk. If you are talking about my responce to the specific quote of Kratos, I was not trying to belittle anybody with my answer...in fact..I thought my responce was the very best advice to address his underlined concerns below...
yes im from around here just new to hunting and i am wanting to cover myself so i dont get into legal trouble...so how does one approach hunting black bears in tennessee with a bow/rifle I'd suggest you get a hunting guide and read it....two or three times...
I still think that is the best advice that he or anyone else can get.... however here is a couple of replys I made to him in another forum where Kratos made an inquiry....
Theres two ways to hunt em....with or without dogs....the still hunts as far as I know are all non-quota that anyone can hunt on, as are several of the dog hunts. You just have to hit the correct dates in the correct areas and you will be alright....the quota dog hunts are a little more tricky...they are sort of a delegated deal...
Still hunting bears is no differant than still hunting deer or any other animal..... you must make a concerted effort to learn the habits, habitate, prefered foods within that habitate, seasonal available food sources, etc, etc... and apply those to the animal you are pursuing.... bears breed around may thru july or august so mating doesn't play a role into the equation the way it does with deer....food is there primary drive. They will often travel the same routes or ridges from one food source to another. old and fresh droppings will tell you bears are using an area pretty regular.....
with dogs you try to cover escape routes more than anything else....if it trees than go to him....
there are really just two ways to hunt in TN,...the right way and the wrong way....Thats what the guide book is there for..... 
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#1988183 - 07/10/10 12:02 AM
Re: Can you bait bears during bear season?
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you cannot legally hunt ANYTHING over bait in tennessee.
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#1988212 - 07/10/10 06:27 AM
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I was recently talking to a friend about me bear hunting this bear season and he thinks its illegal to bait bears in tennessee but it seems a little crazy not to be able too and just going off blind luck to find them NO you can not bait them,...and you can not even feed them during the off season..... and blind luck ain't got jack to with finding them or hunting them successfuly...neither does baiting.....they are not that difficult of an animal to pattern...certainly no harder than a deer and alot easier to pattern than hogs are...imo Why can't you feed them during the off season?
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#1988215 - 07/10/10 06:29 AM
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If you really want to kill a bear, best advice I have is to forget about bear hunting in Tennessee, and simply go bear hunting in Ontario (or somewhere with more bears than hunters) --- but do it with some experienced bear hunters that go there regularly.
Not that you couldn't kill a bear in TN, but even among large groups of TN's experienced bear hunters, I'd speculate most individual bear hunters go years between their personal bear kills here in TN. Yet these same fellows (and some ladies) can take a trip up to Canada a time or two annually an almost every individual kills a bear every trip. Best of all, it's relatively cheap to hunt black bear in Canada. One successful trip to Canada might cost you less than multiple unsuccessful trips in TN, taxidermy fees excluded.
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#1988216 - 07/10/10 06:34 AM
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If you really want to kill a bear, best advice I have is to forget about bear hunting in Tennessee, and simply go bear hunting in Ontario (or somewhere with more bears than hunters) --- but do it with some experienced bear hunters that go there regularly. Not that you couldn't kill a bear in TN, but even among large groups of TN's experienced bear hunters, I'd speculate most individual bear hunters go years between their personal bear kills here in TN. Yet these same fellows (and some ladies) can take a trip up to Canada a time or two annually an almost every individual kills a bear every trip. Best of all, it's relatively cheap to hunt black bear in Canada. One successful trip to Canada might cost you less than multiple unsuccessful trips in TN, taxidermy fees excluded. I'm not sure, but that's probably because they are allowed to hunt over bait piles up there.
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#1988281 - 07/10/10 08:44 AM
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I may be wrong, but I have not heard of any state that allows bear hunting over bait and bear hunting with hounds. It is usually one or the other.
Based on some information presented at one of the commission meetings most bears taken with archery equip come private land around/near North Cherokee WMA. Somone at the Morristown office could give you more information than I can.
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#1988288 - 07/10/10 08:59 AM
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I may be wrong, but I have not heard of any state that allows bear hunting over bait and bear hunting with hounds. It is usually one or the other.
Based on some information presented at one of the commission meetings most bears taken with archery equip come private land around/near North Cherokee WMA. Somone at the Morristown office could give you more information than I can.
I don't know about in the states, most of the bear dog hunters I know that head north cross the border...not ever hunted up there my self I don't know how each province operates...
I do beleive that all the areas north of the GSMNP in general are more conducive to archery/still hunting for black bears than the southern areas below the park...I hope that is changing somewhat...
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#1988303 - 07/10/10 09:14 AM
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I was recently talking to a friend about me bear hunting this bear season and he thinks its illegal to bait bears in tennessee but it seems a little crazy not to be able too and just going off blind luck to find them NO you can not bait them,...and you can not even feed them during the off season..... and blind luck ain't got jack to with finding them or hunting them successfuly...neither does baiting.....they are not that difficult of an animal to pattern...certainly no harder than a deer and alot easier to pattern than hogs are...imo Why can't you feed them during the off season?
I honestly don't know if there is a specific law that says you can't... maybe someone with athouratie(twra) on here can say... but I can give many socially environmental reason as to why it should not be done in our/e tn's particular demographical setting...
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#1988312 - 07/10/10 09:22 AM
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here is a good read and other important info for anyone interested in bears or bear hunting in TN....  http://www.state.tn.us/twra/bearmain.html
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#1988328 - 07/10/10 09:34 AM
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Well for your information i had already checked on hunting guides and they are not available but a fishing guide is so hmmmm doubt i can learn bear hunting from that so let me pull my handy dandy hunting guide outta my *** and ill read it.
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#1988866 - 07/10/10 09:00 PM
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Well for your information i had already checked on hunting guides and they are not available but a fishing guide is so hmmmm doubt i can learn bear hunting from that so let me pull my handy dandy hunting guide outta my *** and ill read it. Friendly advice: dont rile those who tries to give free advice/suggestions. You could go to TWRA.com and download last year's guide. Some info may have changed, but it'll give you a good start.
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#1989182 - 07/11/10 07:30 AM
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I was recently talking to a friend about me bear hunting this bear season and he thinks its illegal to bait bears in tennessee but it seems a little crazy not to be able too and just going off blind luck to find them NO you can not bait them,...and you can not even feed them during the off season..... and blind luck ain't got jack to with finding them or hunting them successfuly...neither does baiting.....they are not that difficult of an animal to pattern...certainly no harder than a deer and alot easier to pattern than hogs are...imo Why can't you feed them during the off season? I dont know,but would guess it would have something to do with the bears seeing people as food/food providers.In other words a safety issue,for the baiters,and for some poor smuck who just happened to wander by.
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#1990136 - 07/11/10 10:43 PM
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they are not that difficult of an animal to pattern...certainly no harder than a deer and alot easier to pattern than hogs are...imo
LOL!! If that was the case, why do they use bait in places like Saskatchewan. Alberta, etc where they have 30 times the ebar numbers we do??
Unless bears are keyed in on a specific food source in a small area, hunting them like you do a deer is nearly impossible to be consistently successful.
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#1990138 - 07/11/10 10:46 PM
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I may be wrong, but I have not heard of any state that allows bear hunting over bait and bear hunting with hounds. It is usually one or the other.
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Several do in fact. In fact, it is better for hound hunters to bait hounds because it keeps them form turning loose on a small bear because they can see the tracks that have hit the bait before releasing their hounds.
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#1990334 - 07/12/10 07:56 AM
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they are not that difficult of an animal to pattern...certainly no harder than a deer and alot easier to pattern than hogs are...imo
LOL!! If that was the case, why do they use bait in places like Saskatchewan. Alberta, etc where they have 30 times the ebar numbers we do??
I would say that they bait in these places partly because of the terrain and vegetation, to draw out and concentrate mulitiple bears into spots that are easier to access for their clients... as well the simple convieniance of being able to succesfuly turn over multiple hunters in a timely manner with the least effort involved...a way to maximize to the most return with the least effort and investment. Not much differant than throwing out corn for deer...it is a business decision as much as anything else in my opinion.
Unless bears are keyed in on a specific food source in a small area, hunting them like you do a deer is nearly impossible to be consistently successful.
LOL!! ...that exact same statment can be said for hunting most any animal, including deer...I do agree that specific food sources are the key, but the overall size of the area(s) being used and the chances of consistant success are relative to the bear population in a given area, as with most any other animal...
unmolested bears are fairly consistant in their normal routines, not much differant from deer imo... they don't just wander around aimlessly untill a dog makes em do what they are supposed to do. A bear may not come back into a food source its using once or twice a day like deer often do but they will be generally be back thru within two or three days, often by the exact same travel routes... and add multiple bears using the same avialable food sources and the odds of seeing one goes even higher...it just takes one bear and you are successfuly tagged out for the year...is patterning and still hunting bear (or deer) as easy as throwing out some kind of bait? maybe not,....but its far from impossible...
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#1990353 - 07/12/10 08:10 AM
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Well put me on a bear tndrbstr.I want to get one.lolI don't want to hunt them with dogs.I would like to get one but got a lot to learn.
I'm going to do a little research.I don't know anything about bear hunting.
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#1990400 - 07/12/10 08:43 AM
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Well put me on a bear tndrbstr.I want to get one.lolI don't want to hunt them with dogs.I would like to get one but got a lot to learn.
I'm going to do a little research.I don't know anything about bear hunting. I am not suggesting that I can guarantee me or anyone else a shot at one...I'm just saying it is more feasable than what many folks would want you to beleive... I have always hunted the south cherokee, but still hunters are just not allowed into the prime bear areas...it seems the north section has the largest archery kills. I don't know if they have the same problem with loose dogs like thier is in the tellico area...that is the direction I am thinking of looking into...I got a cousin that works for the forest service up there.... were kind of in the wrong forum on this topic...
i know what you were saying.I'm going to go after them like deer.Just try to find where they feed and travel.Might take a while to learn what I'm doing but it will be fun anyway.
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#1991245 - 07/12/10 06:14 PM
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Bear baits in TN are used for many purposes :), all the way from being a decoy to being the target point where the tracking collar is triggered and the gig is on! I dont bear hunt in TN very much at all but I know enough in the business to know the tricks to the trade so to speak. Bear hunters take their sport very serious and the technology being used now would really surprise a lot of people, in what actually goes on behind the scenes! Its like the Mafia on the MTN in some areaS!!
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#1992770 - 07/13/10 02:56 PM
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Bear baits in TN are used for many purposes :), all the way from being a decoy to being the target point where the tracking collar is triggered and the gig is on!  I dont bear hunt in TN very much at all but I know enough in the business to know the tricks to the trade so to speak. Bear hunters take their sport very serious and the technology being used now would really surprise a lot of people, in what actually goes on behind the scenes! Its like the Mafia on the MTN in some areaS!!  Let me guess..They have unmanned drones loaded with live ammo flying over the mountains as well. LOL! If you call a basic tracking collar on their dogs, a CB radio and a cooler full of potted meat and crackers "technology", then I guess your assumptions are correct. LOL! The things bear hunters are accused of if ridiculous sometimes. They are more dedicated and put more time and money and legwork into their "sport" than any other hunting niche I have come to know. You obviously misunderstood my post, and yes I agree they are absolutely a dedicated bunch! A tracking collar on a dog is the farthest thing from what I was calling technology! I am making no assumptions, simply mentioned just a few things, anyhow carry on, this isnt for a talk forum anyhow.
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