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I have this awesome track of white oaks that deer just flock to,and while I have never killed a deer with an open sighted AR15,,would it be unethical to use an AR with open sights just to say you done it??
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#1986360 - 07/08/10 06:19 PM
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Why use old school outdated equipment when you have scopes and .458 H&H magnums that will kill a deer faster than napalm.
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#1986394 - 07/08/10 06:45 PM
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I have this awesome track of white oaks that deer just flock to,and while I have never killed a deer with an open sighted AR15,,would it be unethical to use an AR with open sights just to say you done it??
LOL,, Only on days with a B in them.
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#1986401 - 07/08/10 06:51 PM
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I have this awesome track of white oaks that deer just flock to,and while I have never killed a deer with an open sighted AR15,,would it be unethical to use an AR with open sights just to say you done it??
LOL,, Only on days with a B in them.
So only on the Sabath, since it would be sacriligous to use that gun with open sights.
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#1986403 - 07/08/10 06:52 PM
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I have this awesome track of white oaks that deer just flock to,and while I have never killed a deer with an open sighted AR15,,would it be unethical to use an AR with open sights just to say you done it??
LOL,, Only on days with a B in them. So only on the Sabath, since it would be sacriligous to use that gun with open sights.
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#1986469 - 07/08/10 07:46 PM
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I think as long as there is very high probability of making a clean kill, then it doesn't matter much what the weapon or what the sights.
Some weapons, some sights, just decrease or increase your range. I'm sure your range with the above mentioned greatly exceeds the ethical range of any archery set-up.
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#1986518 - 07/08/10 08:21 PM
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Heck if you can kill one with a rock and it was legal i say go for it.
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#1986556 - 07/08/10 08:50 PM
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my High Standard HS15 with Troy BUIS will hold 1.5 groups with my handloads at 100 yards all day,,even with my weak eyesight,,
or I could put the sights on the R15
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#1986591 - 07/08/10 09:16 PM
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If its legal..... I say go for it....
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#1986620 - 07/08/10 09:27 PM
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#1986668 - 07/08/10 09:56 PM
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Why use old school outdated equipment when you have scopes and .458 H&H magnums that will kill a deer faster than napalm.
Last I checked the Tn legislature passed a new law that said hunting with a .223 was illegal cuz that round is a man killer not a deer killer.
Same reason some use a recurve bow rather than a compound bow...because they want to!  As for a 223 caliber being illegal I have not heard where that had been changed . Last I heard any centerfire caliber was made legal a couple years or so back but could be wrong. As for me go for it. There are some states that do not allow scopes on certain weapons so give it a shot!
That is right MRUTVOL all center fire calibers were made legal a couple of years ago.
Go for it. It will do the job.
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#1986759 - 07/09/10 12:56 AM
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This bleeds sarcasm...
Now the challenge would be the 500 yard shot, pick up the AR and drop a second deer in w/in 15 seconds...LOL.
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#1986820 - 07/09/10 06:20 AM
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Not being a gun enthusiast, I have no idea what an AR15 is, but I know what "open sights" means....lol.
I have a MZ with open sights and have had great success with it....
I thought baiting was illegal on tndeer.....lol.????
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#1986841 - 07/09/10 06:44 AM
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Why use old school outdated equipment when you have scopes and .458 H&H magnums that will kill a deer faster than napalm.
Last I checked the Tn legislature passed a new law that said hunting with a .223 was illegal cuz that round is a man killer not a deer killer.
Same reason some use a recurve bow rather than a compound bow...because they want to!  As for a 223 caliber being illegal I have not heard where that had been changed . Last I heard any centerfire caliber was made legal a couple years or so back but could be wrong. As for me go for it. There are some states that do not allow scopes on certain weapons so give it a shot!
Lol Now as for deadfall traps on private property, I am all for it. ( Forgive me Ive been reading my survival handbook)
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#1986859 - 07/09/10 07:00 AM
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Not being a gun enthusiast, I have no idea what an AR15 is, but I know what "open sights" means....lol.
I have a MZ with open sights and have had great success with it....
I thought baiting was illegal on tndeer.....lol.???? Sometimes it is just too easy.
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#1987208 - 07/09/10 11:49 AM
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[quote=Bottom Hunter]Not being a gun enthusiast, I have no idea what an AR15 is, but I know what "open sights" means....lol.
I have a MZ with open sights and have had great success with it....
I thought baiting was illegal on tndeer.....lol.???? Sometimes it is just too easy. [/quote
you are correct sir.....lol.
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#1987451 - 07/09/10 02:36 PM
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LMAO, you think this one will make it 10 pages?? Ill bet a dollar ol BH will tell you to get a scope cause its just better and he thinks you need one! lol
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#1987540 - 07/09/10 03:52 PM
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I intend to get one with my new AR, but I'll have a scope. Good luck to ya.
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#1987647 - 07/09/10 05:25 PM
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#1987686 - 07/09/10 05:54 PM
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Not being a gun enthusiast, I have no idea what an AR15 is, but I know what "open sights" means....lol.
I have a MZ with open sights and have had great success with it....
I thought baiting was illegal on tndeer.....lol.????
AR15
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#1987841 - 07/09/10 07:58 PM
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I think as long as there is very high probability of making a clean kill, then it doesn't matter much what the weapon or what the sights.
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#1988089 - 07/09/10 10:12 PM
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Not being a gun enthusiast, I have no idea what an AR15 is, but I know what "open sights" means....lol.
I have a MZ with open sights and have had great success with it....
I thought baiting was illegal on tndeer.....lol.???? AR15 NO NO NO NO NO,that "looks like"an assault weapon,to "mean"looking for deer hunting.
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#1988113 - 07/09/10 10:30 PM
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That looks like a human rifle, not a deer rifle.
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#1988151 - 07/09/10 11:07 PM
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I think as long as there is very high probability of making a clean kill, then it doesn't matter much what the weapon or what the sights. ditto
and a full 30 round clip!...
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#1988205 - 07/10/10 06:19 AM
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LMAO, you think this one will make it 10 pages?? Ill bet a dollar ol BH will tell you to get a scope cause its just better and he thinks you need one! lol
Actually, scopes get knocked off, open sights rarely do, so open sights are better....AT SHORT DISTANCES...lol.
After seeing the picture of the gun and who I assume is Mr. Big and a dallas cowboy fan, I must ask the question WHY!!!!????? Why would you need a gun like that to kill a deer and why would anyone be a cowboy fan....lol.
I remember those big machine guns that come with tripod stands that the military used, why not get one of those and set it up at 500 yards and launch a barrage of bullets at the deer....surely your odds of a kill will increase with your volume of lead....lol
Not sure how the meat will turn out though...Might be pre-tenderized.....lol.
you guys are funny....
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#1988250 - 07/10/10 07:22 AM
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LMAO, you think this one will make it 10 pages?? Ill bet a dollar ol BH will tell you to get a scope cause its just better and he thinks you need one! lol Actually, scopes get knocked off, open sights rarely do, so open sights are better....AT SHORT DISTANCES...lol. After seeing the picture of the gun and who I assume is Mr. Big and a dallas cowboy fan, I must ask the question WHY!!!!????? Why would you need a gun like that to kill a deer and why would anyone be a cowboy fan....lol. I remember those big machine guns that come with tripod stands that the military used, why not get one of those and set it up at 500 yards and launch a barrage of bullets at the deer....surely your odds of a kill will increase with your volume of lead....lol Not sure how the meat will turn out though...Might be pre-tenderized.....lol. you guys are funny.... What difference does it make how a gun looks?If it sends out a "deer hunting" size projectile,whats the difference?
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#1988254 - 07/10/10 07:32 AM
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LMAO, you think this one will make it 10 pages?? Ill bet a dollar ol BH will tell you to get a scope cause its just better and he thinks you need one! lol Actually, scopes get knocked off, open sights rarely do, so open sights are better....AT SHORT DISTANCES...lol. After seeing the picture of the gun and who I assume is Mr. Big and a dallas cowboy fan, I must ask the question WHY!!!!????? Why would you need a gun like that to kill a deer and why would anyone be a cowboy fan....lol. I remember those big machine guns that come with tripod stands that the military used, why not get one of those and set it up at 500 yards and launch a barrage of bullets at the deer....surely your odds of a kill will increase with your volume of lead....lol Not sure how the meat will turn out though...Might be pre-tenderized.....lol. you guys are funny.... What difference does it make how a gun looks?If it sends out a "deer hunting" size projectile,whats the difference?
No difference, it just reminds me of a military weapon, not a hunting weapon.
if it's legal, then shoot it.
I'll stick with my bolt action .270, my Knight MZ and my compound bow.......that's about as "modern" as I can afford......
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#1988257 - 07/10/10 07:41 AM
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I googled it,its a 5.56 mm.Im not a "caliber guru",but if memory serves me right,a 6.92mm is about equivalent to a .308.So a 5.56mm is about equivilant too a .......?Not sure,but not an overkill round.
I think its a cool looking gun,probably one Obama wants to ban cause it looks nasty.
BTW.IM 42,I still hunt with the bolt action gun I bought with my paper route money when I was 15,a .308.It shoots straight,so Ive never bothered to get another,its a cheap Remington.
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#1988263 - 07/10/10 07:56 AM
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I googled it,its a 5.56 mm.Im not a "caliber guru",but if memory serves me right,a 6.92mm is about equivalent to a .308.So a 5.56mm is about equivilant too a .......?Not sure,but not an overkill round.
5.56 is same as .223. hardly overkill for a deer. 7.62 = .308
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#1988278 - 07/10/10 08:37 AM
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What difference does it make how a gun looks?If it sends out a "deer hunting" size projectile,whats the difference? No difference, it just reminds me of a military weapon, not a hunting weapon. ...and don't think that very fact is being ignored by the anti's (hunting and second amendment) BH.... once again the waveing flag of false perception and political correctness is throwing ominous shadows within our very own culture...sad 
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#1988448 - 07/10/10 01:22 PM
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BH,,what is the perception of this rifle Remington R15,,made by Bushmaster,,it is the exact same weapon,fires the exact same ammo,,and uses the exact same 20 and 30 round magazines,,it is just a different color????
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#1988698 - 07/10/10 06:43 PM
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BH,,what is the perception of this rifle Remington R15,,made by Bushmaster,,it is the exact same weapon,fires the exact same ammo,,and uses the exact same 20 and 30 round magazines,,it is just a different color???? Ive looked at those guns,they look cool
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#1988699 - 07/10/10 06:44 PM
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I googled it,its a 5.56 mm.Im not a "caliber guru",but if memory serves me right,a 6.92mm is about equivalent to a .308.So a 5.56mm is about equivilant too a .......?Not sure,but not an overkill round.
5.56 is same as .223. hardly overkill for a deer. 7.62 = .308 Thanks stik,cant keep those nato numbers straight
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#1988711 - 07/10/10 06:57 PM
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LMAO, you think this one will make it 10 pages?? lol
Well it is up to 5 and going strong....Get the popcorn!
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#1989181 - 07/11/10 07:30 AM
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BH,,what is the perception of this rifle Remington R15,,made by Bushmaster,,it is the exact same weapon,fires the exact same ammo,,and uses the exact same 20 and 30 round magazines,,it is just a different color????
So, the camo pattern makes a difference? Don't most military weapons these days come in camo patterns? Sounds logical to me.
A 20-30 round clip seems better suited for a target range but that's just my opinion.
My perceptions are obviously different from yours.
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#1989183 - 07/11/10 07:33 AM
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BH,,what is the perception of this rifle Remington R15,,made by Bushmaster,,it is the exact same weapon,fires the exact same ammo,,and uses the exact same 20 and 30 round magazines,,it is just a different color???? So, the camo pattern makes a difference? Don't most military weapons these days come in camo patterns? Sounds logical to me. A 20-30 round clip seems better suited for a target range but that's just my opinion. My perceptions are obviously different from yours. Thanks
that is NOT a military weapon. it is no different than a BAR or any other semi auto rifle.
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#1989184 - 07/11/10 07:38 AM
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BH,,what is the perception of this rifle Remington R15,,made by Bushmaster,,it is the exact same weapon,fires the exact same ammo,,and uses the exact same 20 and 30 round magazines,,it is just a different color???? So, the camo pattern makes a difference? Don't most military weapons these days come in camo patterns? Sounds logical to me. A 20-30 round clip seems better suited for a target range but that's just my opinion. My perceptions are obviously different from yours. Thanks Nope,makes no difference,or only in perception,still only fires one round at a time,but your mouted tri pod machine gun would probably work well in unit L
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#1989192 - 07/11/10 08:07 AM
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Okay...this is way out of control IMO..
If you don't agree on weapons choice then that's good...Some people don't think bow hunting is ethical..It comes down to choice...right. As long as it is legal who cares what you choose to hunt with. I don't care if you use a spear...But I do care when you make a statement against my Second Amendment Rights regardless of weapons choice. Just because you don't like a military style weapon it does not make it illegal. I don't use a military style weapon...but who am I to tell someone they can't. Statements or comments like these is what has caused us to lose rights...And yes, I'm using my Freedom of Speech Right...
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#1989200 - 07/11/10 08:28 AM
Re: Ethics question II
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Okay...this is way out of control IMO..
If you don't agree on weapons choice then that's good...Some people don't think bow hunting is ethical..It comes down to choice...right. As long as it is legal who cares what you choose to hunt with. I don't care if you use a spear...But I do care when you make a statement against my Second Amendment Rights regardless of weapons choice. Just because you don't like a military style weapon it does not make it illegal. I don't use a military style weapon...but who am I to tell someone they can't. Statements or comments like these is what has caused us to lose rights...And yes, I'm using my Freedom of Speech Right...
If this is referring to me, then please go back and point out where I posted anything about being illegal, or even where I said that no one should be allowed to hunt with this type of weapon.......or did someone simply "perceive" that was what I meant.
Just because I wouldn't buy such a weapon does not mean that you can not....
And......The part about the machine gun was simply a joke, since this weapon LOOKS like an automatic weapon that I only see in war movies.
Do I not have the right to my opinion?
let's all take a deep breath..........
thanks
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#1989235 - 07/11/10 09:46 AM
Re: Ethics question II
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Okay...this is way out of control IMO..
If you don't agree on weapons choice then that's good...Some people don't think bow hunting is ethical..It comes down to choice...right. As long as it is legal who cares what you choose to hunt with. I don't care if you use a spear...But I do care when you make a statement against my Second Amendment Rights regardless of weapons choice. Just because you don't like a military style weapon it does not make it illegal. I don't use a military style weapon...but who am I to tell someone they can't. Statements or comments like these is what has caused us to lose rights...And yes, I'm using my Freedom of Speech Right... If this is referring to me, then please go back and point out where I posted anything about being illegal, or even where I said that no one should be allowed to hunt with this type of weapon.......or did someone simply "perceive" that was what I meant. Just because I wouldn't buy such a weapon does not mean that you can not.... And......The part about the machine gun was simply a joke, since this weapon LOOKS like an automatic weapon that I only see in war movies. Do I not have the right to my opinion? let's all take a deep breath.......... thanks
No, its not at you but for those who seem they know all the answers. Again JMO on the subject. By the way YES you have a right to your opinion, by all means....I'm breathing...LOL!! After retiring from the military I made a choice not to have to hold another military style weapon. To many bad memories if you know what I mean...So yes I see where you are coming from but I want give in on freedom of choice...What ever floats your boat...
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#1989818 - 07/11/10 08:24 PM
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you know, them bolt action rifles look a lot like the military weapons of WWI&II.
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#1989901 - 07/11/10 08:55 PM
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you know, them bolt action rifles look a lot like the military weapons of WWI&II. And the Mzl's look a lot like the military weapons of the Revolution,or used to
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#1990104 - 07/11/10 10:22 PM
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stik
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you know, them bolt action rifles look a lot like the military weapons of WWI&II. And the Mzl's look a lot like the military weapons of the Revolution,or used to
point being, most ALL guns are the result of military design.
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#1990110 - 07/11/10 10:25 PM
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Man started hunting and killing animals using a stick with a chiseled rock on the end of it.....The only thing that's changed is the way people think.
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