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#1983578 - 07/06/10 11:16 AM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: jb3]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: jb3
. . . . four member's struck out and four members connected . . . . somewhere in the neighbor hood of 1000 acres. . . . . The past 6-7 years, there's an average of about 7 bucks taken.

So, 8 members (on "about" 1,000 acres) average taking a collective total of 7 bucks with a 125-inch minimum?

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#1983584 - 07/06/10 11:22 AM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: Wes Parrish]
jb3
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correct - 8 active members. 3 of them hunt full time just about and the others are mostly weekend warriors. There is about 150 acres in pasture that isn't hunted, but sits between two prime hardwood areas.
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#1983593 - 07/06/10 11:35 AM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: TN RDG RNR]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
Reminds me of a chess game Wes. You limit guys can win without actually having to take my King (buck tag) just put me in checkmate ie... dwindle the limits down to the point I won't shoot anything because I don't want season to be over early.

Will always be different ways of looking at things.
But I don't buy that you "wouldn't shoot anything" if the buck limit went from 3 to 2.
Heck, where you do much of your hunting, don't they have a 1-buck limit?
Could that be a large part of why you find the hunting so good there?

Doubt that the average hunter who goes about 4 years without killing "a" buck
would see a 2-buck limit as putting him in "checkmate". ;\)

 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
Virtually every creditable source on here including you have said that TWRA is doing a good job and the deer herd is improving yearly, why then surrender opportunities?

I don't see it as surrendering opportunities.
I see it as increasing the opportunities.

If more hunters had a better opportunity to kill a buck,
is that not increasing opportunities for them?

If more hunters had a better opportunity to kill an older buck,
is that not increasing opportunities for them?

Who would be "surrendering" opportunities?

I can live with the 3-buck limit just fine, just would prefer it be 2,
and don't want it to be less than 2 or more than 3. \:\)

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#1983605 - 07/06/10 11:46 AM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: Wes Parrish]
mathews338
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
Reminds me of a chess game Wes. You limit guys can win without actually having to take my King (buck tag) just put me in checkmate ie... dwindle the limits down to the point I won't shoot anything because I don't want season to be over early.

Will always be different ways of looking at things.
But I don't buy that you "wouldn't shoot anything" if the buck limit went from 3 to 2.
Heck, where you do much of your hunting, don't they have a 1-buck limit?
Could that be a large part of why you find the hunting so good there?

Doubt that the average hunter who goes about 4 years without killing "a" buck
would see a 2-buck limit as putting him in "checkmate". ;\)

 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
Virtually every creditable source on here including you have said that TWRA is doing a good job and the deer herd is improving yearly, why then surrender opportunities?

I don't see it as surrendering opportunities.
I see it as increasing the opportunities.

If more hunters had a better opportunity to kill a buck,
is that not increasing opportunities for them?

If more hunters had a better opportunity to kill an older buck,
is that not increasing opportunities for them?

Who would be "surrendering" opportunities?

I can live with the 3-buck limit just fine, just would prefer it be 2,
and don't want it to be less than 2 or more than 3. \:\)
i agree Wes

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#1983657 - 07/06/10 01:02 PM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: mathews338]
Wes Parrish
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I often hear the argument that "not that many" hunters kill 3 bucks anyway, so why should we reduce the buck limit?

Same argument was used to justify an 11-buck limit.

But if "not that many" hunters were killing 3 bucks anyway ---
wouldn't that imply there are "not that many" who would be "surrendering" much with a 2-buck limit?

Imagine the increase in opportunity for most hunters if the "3 antlered, 0 antlerless" provision of our basic deer-hunting license came as "2 antlered, 1 antlerless" instead. \:\)

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#1983670 - 07/06/10 01:30 PM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: Wes Parrish]
BowGirl
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Again great post Wes.
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#1983673 - 07/06/10 01:37 PM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: ghosthunter]
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True I do hunt 99% of the time where there is now a 1 buck limit and
4 day lottery style gun season. Yes that's why I hunt there by choice
I am also on a lease with 2 bulk limit and AR.

Doesn't mean I believe its necessary to force it on the rest of the
Hunters in the state.
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#1983868 - 07/06/10 06:01 PM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: ghosthunter
So, would it be fair to say that if the 11 buck limit was never reduced that the herd would pretty much be right where it's at today?


Some difference, but not a huge difference. The buck age structure was already improving before the limit change and has continued to improve at the same rate since the change.
But isnt "some" a big number when you start talking statewide?


Depends on whether you feel a couple of percentage points is a "big number" or not.
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#1983896 - 07/06/10 06:36 PM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: BSK]
RecurveShooter
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I don't think the harvest would be in the same place today if we still had the 11 buck limit. However, the trend of passing on yearling bucks started before the limit change. Since the limit changed that percentage of yearling bucks has dropped farther and faster. BGG has posted that graph before. I think we would be following the same trend but not as far along

Buck harvest success last year was 32% or 1 out of 3 hunters killed a buck. 8.3% of deer hunters killed 2 or more bucks, and only 1.3% killed 3 or more. The other interesting trend is that success rate has climbed in the last ten years while age-structure has continued to increase over the same period.

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#1983969 - 07/06/10 07:56 PM Re: Why a limit change? [Re: Wes Parrish]
Beekeeper
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
I often hear the argument that "not that many" hunters kill 3 bucks anyway, so why should we reduce the buck limit?

Same argument was used to justify an 11-buck limit.

But if "not that many" hunters were killing 3 bucks anyway ---
wouldn't that imply there are "not that many" who would be "surrendering" much with a 2-buck limit?

Imagine the increase in opportunity for most hunters if the "3 antlered, 0 antlerless" provision of our basic deer-hunting license came as "2 antlered, 1 antlerless" instead. \:\)
My question is: Why should hunters that choose to kill 3 bucks have to surrender anything for the ones that either choose not to kill 3 or can't kill 3?

How many public property bucks would this protect (How many hunters that take 3 bucks take them all on public property not including wma bonus bucks) compared to how many bucks on private or leased property that are only available to the land owners or the people that lease the property?
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