#1983452 - 07/06/10 09:12 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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mathews338
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I must know most all of the people who kill three bucks a year.
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#1983462 - 07/06/10 09:19 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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Bowbender 14
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I think the 3 buck limit is fine,I dont set out to kill the limit .I have shot a good buck early bow season.I enjoy hunting,being in the woods in november what if my buck of a lifetime comes by and there is a 1 buck limit I have done shot my limit do I shoot and become a poacher or do I let him walk. What would your answer be. Educating hunters for the benefits of letting young bucks walk is the key as has been mentioned not cutting the limits any more,just in case that rare occasion came along.
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#1983486 - 07/06/10 09:48 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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Wes Parrish
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. . . . I dont set out to kill the limit . . . . . What would your answer be.
The scenario described is part of why I don't like a 1-buck limit.
But, you'll find avid deer hunters (particularly early bowhunters) in Kentucky (statewide 1-buck limit) being much more selective about their 1st buck than those in TN, to avoid the situation you described come November.
What would my answer be?
A simple 2-buck limit.
You can still kill "any" buck you want annually,
and still hold out for something better.
But, ultimately, I don't think we'll see TN going to a 2-buck limit to reduce the buck harvest, so much as it may become necessary for the main purpose of increasing the doe harvest. I just hope when that day comes it's not necessary to go to a 1-buck limit, or worse, "antlerless"-only deer hunting as has become the case in some areas, i.e. a "0"-buck limit to force all hunters to kill an antlerless deer or nothing.
Going back to 1998 when the 11-buck limit was reduced significantly, what would have happened to hunter mentality over the past 12 years had there been the necessary increase in doe limits, but WITHOUT a reduction in the 11-buck limit?
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#1983495 - 07/06/10 09:59 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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a retrohillbilly
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Agree with Wes....2 buck
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#1983505 - 07/06/10 10:05 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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jb3
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I've stated before, I like the 3 bk limit. Our lease has a 125-8pt min and 9pt or > is 135 and up. One hunter took two before the second rifle segment and another took one in bow, muzzle and rifle. Both guys were selective, but if a one or two limit and they would be done early. Maybe they need to be more selective. All 5 of those deer were over 130. So I think a 3 bk limit is great, but I'll go along with whatever TWRA says because I think the deer herd is getting better every year. Even though the lease is a managed lease, I still hunt with the attitude I did when I was a kid and that is to hunt and enjoy it, no matter if it's a biggun or a spike. In all honesty, in hunting it's not about the size. If size matters in hunting, then you're in it for the wrong reason. My two boys will grow up hunting knowing that size does not matter, but just enjoy being in the outdoors and enjoy taking game.
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#1983528 - 07/06/10 10:21 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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kldeerkiller
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Back in the early 90's most everyone I met had the mentality that the more bucks and does you could legally kill was better. I have made that trip to Humphreys county more times than you can count and bring back truckloads of deer. The KOA campground in Buffalo would be over run with hunters. I had some good times back then.
Then came along the hunting shows that most folks started watching and all of a sudden most hunters wanted to kill bigger bucks,including myself. So here came the days of people trying to manage for horns and everyone complaining with deer limits and having opinions about what is best for everyone else. I've been at fault for this as well.
I really enjoyed those days when you shot a deer just because it was legal,but now I enjoy shooting big deer and will continue to do so. I do however get that urge to lay the smack down on them and will continue to do so here in TN as I do my trophy hunting in Ohio,Illinois and Kansas.
Oh by the way-those truckloads of deer we killed back in the 90's all went in the freezer and every one of them were ate.
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#1983542 - 07/06/10 10:35 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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Wes Parrish
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I've stated before, I like the 3 bk limit. Our lease has a 125-8pt min and 9pt or > is 135 and up. One hunter took two before the second rifle segment and another took one in bow, muzzle and rifle. Both guys were selective, but if a one or two limit and they would be done early. Maybe they need to be more selective.
Although if you're on a small lease, the answer may be a moot point, but how many of the lease members took no bucks at all?
In my experiences with large leases, most properties are only going to have available somewhere around 1 buck that's 2 1/2 or older for every 75 to 150 acres, and maybe 1 buck that's 3 1/2 or older for every 150 to 300 acres. This is "ball park", but get my drift.
Say you have a typical 1,000-acre TN lease with 10 hunters. If yearling and most 2 1/2-yr-old bucks were fully protected, would still be a stretch to expect 10 bucks living on the property with a 125-inch gross. In most cases, it would be an impossibility for each member to even harvest a single buck.
Generally speaking, the lower the buck limit, the more selective the most accomplished hunters become, regardless of antler restrictions. Note that many TN deer hunting clubs have a 2-buck limit on club lands, not just to reduce the buck harvest, but to allow greater harvest opportunity to the younger and less experienced hunters.
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#1983543 - 07/06/10 10:40 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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BowGirl
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Right on Wes!
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#1983553 - 07/06/10 10:48 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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jb3
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Not counting guests, four member's struck out and four members connected. Not exactly sure of lease size, somewhere in the neighbor hood of 1000 acres. One of the strike outs usually just takes does (he will take a buck given the chance, but doesn't care). I know two of us usually only hunt saturdays because of taking the family to church on Sunday's. I know one guest took one and not sure about another guest last season. The past 6-7 years, there's an average of about 7 bucks taken.
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#1983561 - 07/06/10 11:07 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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Does TWRA have a record of how many hunters killed 3 bucks each year?
Id be interested in seeing that number. Just to see how many bucks would be saved by a 2 buck limit. However, THAT number would be no where close to the answer to your question, i.e. how many bucks would be saved by a 2-buck limit. You see, there is a huge segment of the more accomplished hunters (the ones that almost always kill deer annually) who will "hold back by one" regarding buck limits. So long as these hunters have days ahead to hunt, they will avoid killing that last buck which would cause them to limit out. When there is only one (1) buck tag remaining, many hunters are significantly more selective. To answer your question regarding "how many" bucks would be saved if going from a 3 to a 2-buck limit, a better answer might be in looking at the difference between how many hunters kill 1 buck vs. how many kill 2 bucks. Not to mention, with lower buck limits, hunters also become more selective on their very 1st buck, not just the last buck. What I'm saying is due to this increased selectivity, there would also being many more hunters killing zero (0) bucks intead of just 1 buck. Yet, none of these hunters who don't kill a buck would have been denied that opportunity --- they just would be choosing to save their buck tag(s) for something more meaningful to them. At the same time, the most inexperienced hunters, those who would not pass on any bucks, would be provided greater opportunity to kill "a" buck, since there would simply be more "passed" bucks roaming the woods.
Reminds me of a chess game Wes. You limit guys can win without actually having to take my King (buck tag) just put me in checkmate ie... dwindle the limits down to the point I won't shoot anything because I don't want season to be over early.
Virtually every creditable source on here including you have said that TWRA is doing a good job and the deer herd is improving yearly, why then surrender opportunities?
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