#1983103 - 07/05/10 08:58 PM
Re: Why a limit change?
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Camp
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And don't get me wrong. 3 is WAY better than the 11 it used to be. Personally I'd prefer the 2-3 or maybe just 2 along with some does for meat. But as it is, is STILL so much better than it was for all those years when I started back in the early 80's.
We've even got some big bucks now, back in that cove those guys used to kill everything out of! 
I won't knock anybody for taking their 3 bucks. (Like I did for that bunch slaying 11 each and no even eating them.) 
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#1983270 - 07/05/10 11:15 PM
Re: Why a limit change?
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RKenney
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All I know is, in the last six to eight years, there seems to be
many more older bucks being killed. Personally, I don't think
"limits" play that big a role in what I'm seeing.
I think hunter education in deer management and certain trends
have the most impact.
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#1983281 - 07/05/10 11:48 PM
Re: Why a limit change?
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I must know most all of the people who kill three bucks a year.
I know quite a few hunters. None of which have ever killed out if my memory serves me right.
Does TWRA have a record of how many hunters killed 3 bucks each year? Id be interested in seeing that number. Just to see how many bucks would be saved by a 2 buck limit.
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#1983299 - 07/06/10 05:54 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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All I know is, in the last six to eight years, there seems to be
many more older bucks being killed. Personally, I don't think
"limits" play that big a role in what I'm seeing.
I think hunter education in deer management and certain trends
have the most impact.
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#1983323 - 07/06/10 06:34 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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Wes Parrish
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Personally, I don't think
"limits" play that big a role in what I'm seeing.
I think hunter education in deer management and certain trends
have the most impact.
I believe "limits" have played a big role in helping to formulate those trends, as well as motivating (or causing) many hunters to better educate themselves on deer management.
And it's not just buck limits, but doe limits as well.
Since 1998 we have had huge increases in "antlerless" limits,
which has "shifted" much of the harvest pressure off bucks.
When I started deer hunting in TN, TWRA was holding public meetings educating hunters as to why female deer should be highly protected and it wouldn't matter much how many bucks were killed ---- creating a mindset among most hunters and the public that female deer were much like a "sacred cow". It has taken many years to off-set this "sacred cow" mindset, and there's still a ways to go, both among hunters and game agencies.
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#1983326 - 07/06/10 06:46 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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Wes Parrish
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Does TWRA have a record of how many hunters killed 3 bucks each year?
Id be interested in seeing that number. Just to see how many bucks would be saved by a 2 buck limit.
However, THAT number would be no where close to the answer to your question, i.e. how many bucks would be saved by a 2-buck limit.
You see, there is a huge segment of the more accomplished hunters (the ones that almost always kill deer annually) who will "hold back by one" regarding buck limits. So long as these hunters have days ahead to hunt, they will avoid killing that last buck which would cause them to limit out.
When there is only one (1) buck tag remaining, many hunters are significantly more selective.
To answer your question regarding "how many" bucks would be saved if going from a 3 to a 2-buck limit, a better answer might be in looking at the difference between how many hunters kill 1 buck vs. how many kill 2 bucks.
Not to mention, with lower buck limits, hunters also become more selective on their very 1st buck, not just the last buck. What I'm saying is due to this increased selectivity, there would also being many more hunters killing zero (0) bucks intead of just 1 buck. Yet, none of these hunters who don't kill a buck would have been denied that opportunity --- they just would be choosing to save their buck tag(s) for something more meaningful to them.
At the same time, the most inexperienced hunters, those who would not pass on any bucks, would be provided greater opportunity to kill "a" buck, since there would simply be more "passed" bucks roaming the woods.
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#1983346 - 07/06/10 07:32 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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The harvest data suggests few hunters are actually killing 3 bucks.
What the limit is and what hunters are killing may very well be two different things. Averages sometimes don't mean squat in reality when you consider the little picture instead of the big one based on stat averages.
No one is talking about average. We're talking about the exact number of hunters that reported killing three bucks. It was not many.
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#1983347 - 07/06/10 07:33 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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So, would it be fair to say that if the 11 buck limit was never reduced that the herd would pretty much be right where it's at today?
Some difference, but not a huge difference. The buck age structure was already improving before the limit change and has continued to improve at the same rate since the change.
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#1983366 - 07/06/10 07:49 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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So, would it be fair to say that if the 11 buck limit was never reduced that the herd would pretty much be right where it's at today? Some difference, but not a huge difference. The buck age structure was already improving before the limit change and has continued to improve at the same rate since the change.
Exactly right, it no doubt helped some, mainly with hunter mentality, but it didnt take us into a whole different deer/buck herd in a year or two by any stretch of the imagination. Things continued to improve slowly, just like they were already doing, and are still doing today. Im one that thinks issuing a simple either sex tag with a standard gun stamp, where the herd can stand it, which is much of the state now, would benefit much more than lowering the buck limit.
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#1983411 - 07/06/10 08:37 AM
Re: Why a limit change?
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So, would it be fair to say that if the 11 buck limit was never reduced that the herd would pretty much be right where it's at today? Some difference, but not a huge difference. The buck age structure was already improving before the limit change and has continued to improve at the same rate since the change.
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